Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Louis E SMITH (s/o RUDGE) 1916

Louis E SMITH (s/o RUDGE) 1916 (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 10:48:46 +0000

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Birth Jan/Feb/Mar Qtr 1916 - Westbury S

Louis E SMITH - mother's maiden name RUDGE

Emily E A SMITH nee RUDGE 1882 - 1919 Marstow - Abenhall (reply)

Steve R — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 10:25:00 +0000

Emily Elizabeth Anne Rudge was baptised at Marstow September 18th, 1881.
She was the daughter of my Great G/F - Albert Rudge, who was the Blacksmith at Marstow. Thus she is my Great Aunt.
On December 28th 1914 when 33, she married at Marstow, Sidney George Smith, age 31, a miller of Mitcheldean, son of George Smith, a quarryman.

Family understanding is that he died in the Great War.

She died on 30th January 1919.

A son, Lewis, was brought up by her brother Ernest Rudge who lived in Mitcheldean.To muddle matters a bit further, his wife was also called Emily.

Connection with Mitcheldean arose because my Grandfather left Marstow and found work as a Postman in Mitcheldean/Drybrook and was living in Silver Street. He married Annie Jenkins from there in 1907.

Steve R

Edith GEORGE 1878 - 1912 Ruardean Woodside (reply)

unknown — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:57:48 +0000

Year: 1912
Month: Jul
Day: 27
Surname: GEORGE
Forenames: Edith
Residence: Ruardean Woodside
Age_at_death: 34 years
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 33
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

This record is 100% the mother...
Barnardo Record puts her death at 1911
but it is listed as going on "hearsay" from a Miss GEE, Beechwood,Micheldean, Gloucester
but both records list the death at Woodside..

Louis Ernest SMITH 1916 - 1996 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:09:22 +0000

Name: Louis E Smith
Mother's Maiden Surname: Rudge
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1916
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 464

Name: Louis Ernest Smith
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1996
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Register number: 34
District and Subdistrict: 4821
Entry Number: 170

Name: Louis E Smith
Spouse ; Evelyn Malsom
Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1009

supect offspring
Richard J Smith Apr May Jun 1947 F of Dean Gloucestershire
David R Smith Apr May Jun 1950 F. of Dean Gloucestershire
Peter J Smith Apr May Jun 1953 F of Dean Gloucestershire

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name: Emily E Smith
Name: Ernest E Rudge
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 603

Year: 1914
Month: Nov
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: RUDGE
Grooms_Forenames: Ernest Edward
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Gardener
Grooms_Residence: Avenu Cottage Pencraig Marstow
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Rudge
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Albert
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Emily Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 27
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic servant
Brides_Residence: Hawkerhill Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Quarryman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: George Smith
Witness_2: Rosalind Rudge
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Boyle Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 7
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

Emily E A SMITH nee RUDGE 1882 - 1919 Marstow - Abenhall (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:57:43 +0000

Name: Sidney G[eorge ?] Smith
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse Emila E A Rudge
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 1103

Name: Emily E A Smith
Death Registration Month/Year: 1919
Age at death (estimated): 37
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 497

Year: 1919
Month: Feb
Day: 4
Surname: SMITH
Forenames: Emily Elizabeth Annie
Residence: Silver Street Abenhall
Age_at_death: 37 years
Officiating_Minister: Curt Secker [?] Rector
Event:
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 1
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/11
Page_No: 97
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

Sidney George SMITH (reply)

unknown — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:55:05 +0000

OK Thanks I'll do some digging around those names and see what I come up with
Thank
Bob

Sidney George SMITH (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:49:04 +0000

Just keep an open mind - he may have been christened Sidney SMITH and taken the name Sidney GEORGE.... esp if he was in an Institution.

i.e.

here are 4 SMITH GEORGE children born in this timeframe in the area
Tom Smith George 1872 Apr-May-Jun Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
William Smith George 1874 Jan-Feb-Mar Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Henry Smith George 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Alice Smith George 1878 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire

and

1881
Isaiah Pewtner abt 1859 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Emma Pewtner abt 1851 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Minne George abt 1874 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Step Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Alice George abt 1879 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Step Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Sidney George SMITH (reply)

unknown — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:45:17 +0000

Surname should be GEORGE
That is the Surname the childen have, and baptised with,
also the name of Edith GEORGE at death 1912 @ drybrook..

Sidney George SMITH (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:38:40 +0000

There is an Overseers book entry for a Sidney George SMITH in 1897 in Mitcheldean

It reinforces the marriage to Emily Rudge

I have a strong suspicion this is your man...

Susan GEORGE Dr. Barnardo record (reply)

unknown — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:16:50 +0000

Found some more info to go on...from Barnardo record Dated 1914
Children lived close to the Viaduct Lydbrook
Mother(Edith GEORGE) died 1912
Father (Sidney GEORGE) arrested for stealing coal-sentenced month hard Labour, Coleford

Sidney gave some "sketchy information" from prison
Sidney GEORGE b 1879 Parents Francis GEORGE Emma GEORGE brother Albert George b 1857

His wife Edith GEORGE nee CLARK b 1878 had a could be brother/uncle (info unclear) Frederick CLARK soldier R.H.A

Children
Rose CLARK? GEORGE? born illegitimate abt 1900 in service (1914)
Matilda George b 1906 taken into Barnardo's Homes immigrated to Canada(have records)
Susan GEORGE b 1907 Barnardo's Homes immigrated to Canada(have records)My Grandmother
Violet GEORGE b abt 1911

The children were in Ross Workhouse around this time frame(1914)
I have Baptism for all children @ Drybrook except Rose ...and death Edith George

Thanks for any info...
Thanks for the great site...
Bob

Edith Marion CLARK 1878 Cirencester / Swindon (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:54:11 +0000

Another one to rule out - although she has a sister Rose which prompted the search

1881
Josiah Clark abt 1848 North Benfleet, Essex, England Head Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Jane Clark abt 1848 Colesbourne, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Lilian Clark abt 1868 North Benfleet, Essex, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Rose Clark abt 1871 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Frances A. Clark abt 1873 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Sydney W. Clark J abt 1875 Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire
James Percival Clark abt 1877 Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Edith M. Clark abt 1879 Glouscester, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire

1891
Josiah Clark abt 1848 North Benfleet, Essex, England Head Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Jane Clark abt 1848 Malesbourne, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Alma Elizabeth Clark abt 1873 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Sidney William Clark abt 1875 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire
James Bereival Clark abt 1877 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Edith Marian Clark abt 1879 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Margaret Kate Clark Jabt 1882 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Walker Charles Clark abt 1886 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Son Cirencester, Gloucestershire

1901 ?
Edith Marion Clark abt 1879 Guncester {CIRENCESTER ?}, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Swindon, Wiltshire

Name: Joseph Selwood
Name: Edith Marion Clarke
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Swindon
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 9

1911
SELWOOD JOSEPH M 1881 30 Swindon Wiltshire
SELWOOD EDITH MARION F 1879 32 Swindon Wiltshire
SELWOOD JOSEPH JOSIAH JAMES M 1902 9 Swindon Wiltshire
SELWOOD LUCY MAY F 1890 21 Swindon Wiltshire
SELWOOD OLIVE MAY F 1910 6 MONTHS Swindon Wiltshire

Susan GEORGE Drybrook (reply)

unknown — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:07:51 +0000

yes I looking for Susan's mother, Edith GEORGE

Entry_Number: 262
Year: 1912
Month: Jul
Day: 27
Surname: GEORGE
Forenames: Edith
Residence: Ruardean Woodside
Age_at_death: 34 years
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 33
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: G620

Susan GEORGE Drybrook (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:47:49 +0000

Do you mean Memorial inscriptions ?

I'm not aware of a Headstone listing for Drybrook searchable or otherwise.
Are you looking for any one in particular ?

Susan GEORGE Drybrook (reply)

unknown — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:14:17 +0000

does anyone know where I might find a searchable data base for grave markers at
Holy Trinity Church.?

Susan CLARK ( GEORGE) Drybrook (reply)

unknown — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:02:22 +0000

Many thanks for all the info..
my grandmother is Susan George...
Thanks Again

Susan CLARK ( GEORGE) Drybrook (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:21:59 +0000

Suggestion that Susan (Norma?) was born Gloucester circa 1907, however as yet no BMD to back this up.

Arrives Quebec 1920 aged 13

Matilda GEORGE Drybrook 1906 ? (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:20:55 +0000

Suggestion that Matilda was born Reading Berks circa 1906, however no BMD found yet

Year: 1911
Month: Oct
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: GEORGE
Child_Forenames: Matilda
Fathers_Forenames: Sidney
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Wigpool
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J Lawton Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 134
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Sidney GEORGE (SMITH ?) Drybrook area (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:05:12 +0000

I wonder if he remarries in 1914 ?

Name: Sidney George
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Emila E A Rudge
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 1103

Name: Sidney G Smith
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse Emila E A Rudge
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 1103

possible
1911
CLARKE VISITOR MAID EDITH F 1884 27 Upton on Severn Worcestershire born Sidmouth

1911
RUDGE EMILY F 1881 30 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

1901
Edith M Clarke abt 1881 Sidmouth, Devon, England Servant Walford, Herefordshire {Edith Clarke first wife?}
Emily E A Rudge abt 1882 Marstow, Herefordshire, England Servant Walford, Herefordshire

1891
Albert Rudge abt 1852 Marstow, Herefordshire, England Head Marstow, Herefordshire
Sarah A Rudge abt 1855 Llanwarne, Herefordshire, England Wife Marstow, Herefordshire
Henry J Rudge abt 1877 St James, Herefordshire, England Son Marstow, Herefordshire
Emely A Rudge abt 1882 Marstow, Herefordshire, England Daughter Marstow, Herefordshire
Ernest E Rudge abt 1891 Marstow, Herefordshire, England Son Marstow, Herefordshire

Name: Emily Elizabeth A Rudge
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 459

<><> speculation that Sidney Herbert GEORGE 1879 born HACKNEY is your man but I'm not convinced

1901
Emily S George abt 1844 London City Head Stoke Newington, London
Alice M George abt 1871 Hackney, London, England Daughter Stoke Newington, London
Gertrude E George abt 1873 Hackney, London, England Daughter Stoke Newington, London
Florence J George abt 1878 Hackney, London, England Daughter Stoke Newington, London
Violet M George abt 1882 Stoke Newington, London, England Daughter Stoke Newington, London
Sidney H George abt 1880 Stoke Newington, London, England Son Stoke Newington, London

1881
Frederick J. George abt 1842 Near Windsor, Berkshire, England Head St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Emily S. George abt 1844 London, Middlesex, England Wife St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Emily K. George abt 1867 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Martha L. George . abt 1869 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Alice M. George abt 1871 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Gertrude E. George . abt 1873 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Frederick J. George abt 1875 Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England Son St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Florence J. George . abt 1877 Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Stoke Newington, London
Sidney H. George . abt 1880 Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England Son St Mary Stoke Newington, London

Name: Sidney Herbert George
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 462

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I wondered if could it be the same Emily married in 1906 ?
HALLS Walter Robert
RUDGE Emily Annie Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity
1906 4 151

Year: 1906
Month: Jul
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: HALLS
Grooms_Forenames: Walter Robert
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Gardener
Grooms_Residence: Weeke[?]
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Halls
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Walter James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Glazier
Brides_Surname: RUDGE
Brides_Forenames: Emily Annie
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lea Bailey
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Rudge
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Absolom Trigg
Witness_2: Mary Trigg
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 76
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

looks like a different Emily d/o Samuel and Comfort

1881
Saml. Rudge abt 1848 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Comfirt Rudge abt 1845 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Rudge abt 1871 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Rudge S abt 1873 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Rudge abt 1875 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Violet GEORGE Wigpool (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:33:45 +0000

Not clear when/where Violet was born
This is post 1911 census

Year: 1911
Month: Oct
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: GEORGE
Child_Forenames: Violet
Fathers_Forenames: Sidney
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Wigpool
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J Lawton Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 134
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Edith GEORGE 1878 - 1912 Ruardean Woodside (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:26:09 +0000