Dr John Carters brother William b1779 Arlingham was my 3*gt grandfather. His son Joseph Denton Carter moved to Tirley Glos in 1840s.Johns5*. Gt grandfaather Was Richard Carter 1594-1656 a physician from Arlingham and for some reason they continued to use the title until the 1840s.I hadnt seen the inquest before I joined this site,what a terrible thing to have happened.Throughout the records they are referrred to as dr,Doctor ,of the physicians etc.Im not sure if you know that Johns gravestone is at Arlingham Church still decipherable and includes other family members.His Grandfather Thomas Carter d1767 is in a nearby vault still decipherable but the rendering wont last much longer.My tree is on Ancestry under Toddc50.As regards the Puckpool Carters I can as yet find no blood link with the Doctor Carters, only a couple of inter marraiges .The earliest Parish Register mention I can see for them is an almost indecipherable entry for 9-4-1620`````?daughter of Richard Carter of Puckpoole.

We're also about to move house, it will be quite a struggle after 25 years in this one, but hopefully well-worth it in the end. Hence I understand completely about your situation, and sincerely hope all is settling-down again for you now and that it was worth all the hard work.
Best wishes with your continued researches, Jeff.

Kind regards,
Aussie

The National Archives has the

Will of Richard CARTER Physican, Arlingham dated 1658 - which can be downloaded for £3.45

Gloucestershire 1608 Men & Armour for Gloucestershire

http://www.coaley.net/glos1608/index.php

ARLINGHAM

Henry CARTEL - Weaver A40 (age around 40) - tallest stature. trained.

Thomas CARTER - weaver A20 (age around 20) - meanest stature
*(fit for pioneer or of little other use)

Margaret CARTER - subsidy man widow has a musket and a caliver furnished (women's lib!!!)

Richard CARTER A20 - lower stature
(fit to serve with a caliver)

Gyles CARTER yeoman - A40 - middle stature. trained. subsidy man
(fit to make a musketeer)

Thomas CARTER servant to the said Richard FRYER. A20. meanest stature
*(as above)

The website will show you what these men are fit for i.e. Pikeman etc. depending on their height.

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Portrait of Gloucestershire by T.A. Ryder (First edition printed 1966)

Arlingham, as might be expected from its position inside the loop of the Severn, has suffered much in the past from floods; there were disastrous ones, causing loss of life and musch damage, in 1483, 1607, 1628, 1629 and 1703. Nor was the flooding the only hazard, if we are to believe an entry in an old register which runs;

Jan. 20 1606-7, Tuesday - a great flood with a strong south-west wind, many sheep and cattle lost. The somer following there was a most extreme hot somer, in so much that many died, with heat; and in 1607 was a wonderful frost, after all which was a dearth.

It seems that you are enjoying your research. I started my research in 1997 before I became aware of my declining health. Old maps, history and geography have become more interesting since I have family to investigate in various places. This 'forummer' is Anglo-Aussie, only born here not native. Just very fortunate to have dual nationality.

I have JONES ancestors from Cambridgeshire, mostly. One JONES ancestor moved to London, as many people's ancestors did. I look forward to tracing them back to their (likely) Welsh roots.
I hope your health improves.
Kind regards,
Aussie

Thanks for the feedback Aussie, it's always tricky to know what to post but thought it worth posting, especially as other researchers will see this thread in years to come. Sorry to hear you've been suffering health problems, we all sincerely wish you well with that; it was for health reasons that got me into finally looking-up my FH and finding this forum abt 6 years ago, it's been really helpful to me.

Yes, the word "horror" was abit over the top, I thought that when I posted it, but it was meant in jest; like you I've often been submerged in confusing facts (and sometimes fiction) and it can be hard to sort the wood from the trees. In this respect I fully agree it's always best to go on proven facts, which is why I often advise forummers to be wary of online trees. When I wrote "thinking" perhaps I should have written "research", it was just a figure of speech intended to reflect your research, which in my case always involves thinking to some degree.

Yes I can see Duckpool is a likely modern placename, as indeed it could have been long ago, but in this instance the evidence I've seen supports Puckpool(e). I see that Arlingham dates back to Domesday, much older than most of the Forest towns and certainly the one's I know, my main area of interest is engineering industry so def not medieval history as this placename might be. Most old place names seem linked to a person, but perhaps in this case it's mythology too ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_(mythology)
By complete coincidence in October I attended a family wedding at Puckrup Hall near Tewkesbury, didn't give a thought at the time to that name but must now look into it !.
Since schooldays I've been a fan of old maps and associated geography etc and I've long since realised that some of the olde placenames just don't make a lot of "sense" to modern eyes, yet they are what they are (or were, even).

Anyhow, hoping we've been of more help than hindrance, and good luck sorting out your Carters. If it's any consolation, I'm a Jones, the most common surname in the Dean..., and my line weren't too imaginative with their Christian names either ! ;-)

Here's to a Happy and Healthier New Year to you n yours (and all other forummers too of course).

atb Jeff

Will of Giles CARTER, 1682:-

In the name of God Amen: I Giles Carter of Puckpool in the Parish of Arlingham in the County and Diocese of Gloucester, Yeoman…………………

Yes, the word "horror" was abit over the top, I thought that when I posted it, but it was meant in jest; like you I've often been submerged in confusing facts (and sometimes fiction) and it can be hard to sort the wood from the trees. In this respect I fully agree it's always best to go on proven facts, which is why I often advise forummers to be wary of online trees. When I wrote "thinking" perhaps I should have written "research", it was just a figure of speech intended to reflect your research, which in my case always involves thinking to some degree.

Yes I can see Duckpool is a likely modern placename, as indeed it could have been long ago, but in this instance the evidence I've seen supports Puckpool(e). I see that Arlingham dates back to Domesday, much older than most of the Forest towns and certainly the one's I know, my main area of interest is engineering industry so def not medieval history as this placename might be. Most old place names seem linked to a person, but perhaps in this case it's mythology too ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_(mythology)
By complete coincidence in October I attended a family wedding at Puckrup Hall near Tewkesbury, didn't give a thought at the time to that name but must now look into it !.
Since schooldays I've been a fan of old maps and associated geography etc and I've long since realised that some of the olde placenames just don't make a lot of "sense" to modern eyes, yet they are what they are (or were, even).

Anyhow, hoping we've been of more help than hindrance, and good luck sorting out your Carters. If it's any consolation, I'm a Jones, the most common surname in the Dean..., and my line weren't too imaginative with their Christian names either ! ;-)

Here's to a Happy and Healthier New Year to you n yours (and all other forummers too of course).

atb Jeff

Hi Aussie, clearly you've "googled" this quite a lot, so apologies if you've already seen it, but it seems like some Carter researchers on the Rootschat forum are also confused, despite having the advantage over you of living in Arlingham !

eg

"There were Two Main Carter Families In Arlingham, those at Puckpoole and the Carter Doctors so called because they descended from a phisician and for some reason continued to use the title. Both were wealthy but my line of the Doctors were tradesmen by 1800s. Apparently they were not related but members of both sides resembled my Grandfather. Confused ? And me. They probably intermarried. There probably were some Carpenters in the families but Ive not seen one yet.My 3xGt gfather William b1779 was the only Doctor William I can find so yours May well be a Puckpoole one. At times the Doctors lived At Slowwe House,The Malthouse,Skillers House and Addresses at Overton.Henry was almost certainly a Doctor.. How did you know of Wm Carters residence? The many deeds Ive studied dont give much info on resideces. I have been to the Church many times and hope to walk the village again in the summer Thanks for your reply."

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=613692.9

Ref Puckpool Farm, I see this address still exists and has been recorded many times in various Directories etc etc. Personally, altho I can see your thinking Aussie, I doubt this was ever Duckpool. Just yet another odd placename.

atb Jeff

I've also found these two sites helpful, to some degree, with researching my Gloucestershire ancestors.

http://ukga.org

http://www.parishmouse.co.uk/doku.php

KR,
Aussie

Apparently, a chap by the name of Greenway, has put together a book. I discovered this webpage via google too. I've contacted Gloucestershire Live as it's an old article.
http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/village-s-history-comes-book/story-11934008-detail...

FYI I try to go on fact more than thinking! There is a Duckpool House in High Street, Arlingham.
http://www.whataddress.co.uk/postcode/gl2-7jn

KR
Aussie

Thanks Jefff for the Preece bits in your note

You're very welcome Peter, hopefully it was relevant, I took a chance that you might have an interest in Newnham/Arlingham Preeces. In case you've not seen it, the book contains large photos of letters written in June 1896 by a Henry Preece of The Reddings, Stonehouse wrt the Newnham ferry etc. I guess he is related to, or even the same man, as the Henry Preece who's listed as an auctioneer and draper, High Street, in the 1876 Newnham Directory. (I'm struggling to place him in the census' via Ancestry).
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/newnham1876.htm

atb J

Will of Richard CARTER Physican, Arlingham dated 1658 - which can be downloaded for £3.45

Gloucestershire 1608 Men & Armour for Gloucestershire

http://www.coaley.net/glos1608/index.php

ARLINGHAM

Henry CARTEL - Weaver A40 (age around 40) - tallest stature. trained.

Thomas CARTER - weaver A20 (age around 20) - meanest stature
*(fit for pioneer or of little other use)

Margaret CARTER - subsidy man widow has a musket and a caliver furnished (women's lib!!!)

Richard CARTER A20 - lower stature
(fit to serve with a caliver)

Gyles CARTER yeoman - A40 - middle stature. trained. subsidy man
(fit to make a musketeer)

Thomas CARTER servant to the said Richard FRYER. A20. meanest stature
*(as above)

The website will show you what these men are fit for i.e. Pikeman etc. depending on their height.

----

Portrait of Gloucestershire by T.A. Ryder (First edition printed 1966)

Arlingham, as might be expected from its position inside the loop of the Severn, has suffered much in the past from floods; there were disastrous ones, causing loss of life and musch damage, in 1483, 1607, 1628, 1629 and 1703. Nor was the flooding the only hazard, if we are to believe an entry in an old register which runs;

Jan. 20 1606-7, Tuesday - a great flood with a strong south-west wind, many sheep and cattle lost. The somer following there was a most extreme hot somer, in so much that many died, with heat; and in 1607 was a wonderful frost, after all which was a dearth.

Google: Arlingham - Wishful Thinking's Local History Pages

Arlingham St Mary

30 Carter's Memorials Inscriptions transcribed - way back to 1730

This helps with family groups

Richard Carter was licenced by the Archbishop of Canterbury
to practice medicine in 1622 - in Arlingham

There was also Thomas Carter of London licenced in 1666.

Hope this helps.

I had seen the Bigland physio.

Thanks Jefff for the Preece bits in your note

RICHARD CARTER, Physician,
Died 17 March, 1656

Perhaps he is the origin of the style used by later members of this branch of the family (as suggested in one of Jeff’s posts).

On FOD search Bigland MI's for Arlingham and you will find
numerous Carter entries. However, there are 2 with the suffix
Dr. on the tomb stones. So maybe there were Carters who practiced
medicine.

Ancestry records show both burials with Dr after the names.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Peter Preece _

Thank you very much for that information.

Kind regards,
Aussie

Here's a copy of the text from Ancestry which doesn't state the surname DOCTOR -

Name: John Carter
Event Type: Burial
Burial Date: 26 Mar 1794
Burial Place: Arlingham, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Arlingham
Register Type: Parish Registers

Surely if his surname was DOCTOR it would not be abbreviated to Dr on the original document? So I'm still inclined to believe that it is his title, not his surname. However, I'd be happy to hear any opinions.
I will try to search the medical registers on Ancestry and FMP to see if he is listed. But they may not have digitised all registers yet.
I've no idea why names were crossed out in Mike's reference.
Cheers,
Aussie

Hi MPG,

Doctor is a surname not a title. If you enter doctor as a surname
in FOD parish search you get 2 names.
Hence the "previously crossed out" in Mike Pinchin's message.

Hope this helps,

Regards

Peter Preece