Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Charles Henry MANNS Kempley

Charles Henry MANNS Kempley (reply)

Ladies — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:39:19 +0000

1856 Sarah Ann Manns (daughter of William Manns and Ellen Jenkins) had an illegitimate son Called Charles Henry Manns - born in 1878, 2 years before she married 1846 William HOdges.

By 1891 Census Charles Henry surname had changed to Hodges. This was quite common when the mother married. Dont know if it was ever done officially! However, by the time he married in 1899 to Ellen Mary Lane, he had reverted back to the surname Manns! and all his children have kept the surname as well

As a side note; I did this research many years ago and i have a note written on my file to say that his father was Charles Baker. Interestingly his mother Sarah Ann had a sister who married a George Baker. Could be a connection to Charles Baker there? Perhpas Charles and George were Brothers?

Charles Henry (Baker) Manns/HODGES (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 08 Jul 2011 02:40:12 +0000

Hi Jeb, no I'm not related, just a nosey sorry interested amateur.
ATB, Jeff.

Charles Henry (Baker) Manns/HODGES (reply)

Jeb1969 — Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:26:33 +0000

Thanks Jeff for your information on Charles Manns. He was my great grandfather we had his marriage certificate and death details but no birth certificate only date of birth. Your information came to the same conclusion as us that his father left the area . We have since purchased birth certificate but no more details found . Can I ask if you have any family connections or just a contributor? Thanks

Charles Henry (Baker) Manns/HODGES (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:53:28 +0000

Hi Paul & Jeb,
in the unlikely event you missed my "offering" re Charles, please see my post on the John & Phoebe Hodges thread. It certainly looks to me that Charles Hodges & Carles Manns are one and the same. I was annoyed I couldn't find any definite PRs for the subsequent life of his probable father Charles Baker; perhaps this just proves he's left the area ? All very interesting.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=32588#p32626

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:21:10 +0000

1911 Census
Blacklands
Dymock
Gloucestershire

William HODGES - Head - married - 65 - Farmer Labourer, all born Dymock Glos.
Sarah HODGES - wife - married 32 years - age 53
Lily HODGES - daughter - single - age 23, Domestic Servant
Albert HODGES - son - single - age 17 - Waggoner on Farm
William JONES HODGES - Grandson - age 1
Lily HUSHINS (transcribed as) - Granddaughter - age 10 - School
Ellen HUSHINS - daughter - married - age 29

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

paulp — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:13:59 +0000

Hi Jeb,

It does seem that Charles Hodges may have used the manns surname after the 1891 census, if this is same Charles his parents were William(step father)and Sarah(nee Manns) half brothers were Albert(my great grandfather)he was born in Dymock in 1893 married Alice May in 1911 Newent, he Joined the Herefordshire regiment in ww1. John Born 1881 married Phoebe Farmer 1901 Dymock, they had a large family 12 children, sisters Ellen born 1883, married Albert Hoskins in 1899. Lily Marie born 1887 she had a son William J Hodges born 1909 no fathers name given, she later married Thomas Morris in 1914, Agnes born 1890, married William Manns in 1911 so another connection with the Manns/Hodges Family, they had two children Joyce born in 1916, William had joined the Herefordshire regt ww1 at the time Joyce's birth, their son Charles was born 1919, hope this is helpful Jeb, Paul.

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

Jeb1969 — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 09:50:39 +0000

Paul

Your information on Charles Manns (Hodges) seems to tie up the same as the information I have and therefore it looks like our families are connected. I would be interested in knowing about the rest of his family if you have any information.

Regards

JEB

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

paulp — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:41:13 +0000

Hi Jeb, thanks for your message, got about the same info on Charles Hodges as you have born about 1878 Kempley, living with William & Sarah in the 1881 and 1891 cenus and no records of him after that, Your great grandfather Charles Henry Manns born 1878 Kempley and mother Sarah could be the same person, in one of the records i found Charles Hodges was step son to William Hodges head of the household, which would make him Sarah's son (nee Manns) from a previous relationship, Willaim and Sarah married in 1880 and Charles was born in 1878, so if this is correct Charles then used the Manns surname after 1891, not 100% sure though, hope this helps and thanks again for your message.

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

Jeb1969 — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:19:14 +0000

Paul
On reading your posting on the forum it is likely that your Great Grandfather is the half brother of my great grandfather Charles Manns (Hodges) if my research into Charles Manns is correct. I would be interested to know if you have any information which would confirm that my great grandfather was indeed the son of Sarah Hodges nee Manns.
JEB

MAY (Newent Union) /Albert William HODGES & MANNS (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:52:25 +0000

FOD records

Baptism at Newent: 9 June 1894

Alice Emma MAY

mother's forename name: Elizabeth

Father's forename: not stated

Residence: Newent Union

Officiating Minster: J WHITE

Memoranda: Born 7 June 1894

also ......

Baptism at New - 19 June 1894

Alfred MAY

father's forenames - not stated

mother's forename: Elizabeth

Residence: Newent Union

memoranda: Born date uncertain

also....

Baptism at Newent - 19 June 1894

Maudie May MAY -

Father's Forename: Not stated

Mother's Forename: Elizabeth

Residence: Newent Union

Memoranda: Born Date uncertain

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1901 Census, Herefordshire, Ledbury
Bridge Street

Lucy MAY - Widow - age 59, Washerwomen - born N.K.
Fanny MAY - 18 - born Leicester
Maud MAY - 17 - born Bristol * (there is a Lucy MAY age 26, Shop Asst. in Bristol on the 1891 census, born Corsham, Wilts?) if the 1911 age of Lucy MAY age 45 - turns out to be correct Lucy)
Alfred MAY - 13 - born Birmingham(crossed out Bristol)
Emma MAY - 7 - born Glos. Newent

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1911 Census : May's in Newent

Alice Maude MAY - age 17
Elsie MAY - age 15

1911 Census, Ledbury, Herefordshire

Alfred MAY age 23 c1888
Lucy MAY age 45 - c1866

without the marriage certificate to show the name of Albert William HODGES father - this may be him (as Albert's children were christened Dymock)

FOD records

Baptism at Dymock : 20 August 1893

Albert William HODGES

parents: William (Farm labourer) and Sarah Ann

residence: Still House, Dymock

1901 Census, Dymock
Still House

William HODGES - 52 - Cowman Farm - born Glos. KEMPLEY
Sarah A - 44 - born Dymock
Lily - 14
Agnes - 11
Albert - 9
Emily - 5

1891 Census, Dymock

Sharvecrow?

HODGES

William - 40 - all born Dymock
Sarah - 31
Charles - 13
John - 11
Ellen - 7
Lillie - 2
Agnes - 8 months

1881 Census, Dymock
Tillins? Green

HODGES

William - 29 - all born Kempley
Sarah - 20
Charles - 3
John - 8? weeks

which I think takes us back to....

FOD records

Marriage at Kempley : 23 September 1880

William HODGES - age 29 (Bachelor) Engine Driver

father: William HODGES -labourer

residence: Kempley

married

Sarah Ann MANNS - age 22, Spinster

residence: Kempley

father: William MANNS (Carter)

mark of William MANNS and Eliza MANNS

Officiating Minister: John C WEAVER (VICAR)

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:43:21 +0000

We are not related - just a contributor to this forum.

FreeBDM

Marriage : O/N/D Qtr 1911 - District Newent:

Albert William HODGES - Alice E MAY

Gloucestershire BDM : Married at Newent Register Office

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FreeBDM

Children registered after 1912 (when mother's maiden name was given on the records)

Mother's maiden name MAY

O/N/D Qtr 1912 - Albert W HODGES, Reg. District Newent

J/F/M Qtr 1920 - Mary E HODGES, Reg. District Newent

J/F/M Qtr 1935 - Lorraine HODGES, Reg. District Bedwellty

O/N/D Qtr 1938 - Beryl J HODGES, Reg. District Bedwellty

J/F/M Qtr 1948 - David A HODGES, Reg. District Bedwellty

Gap in children between 1912-1920 (was Albert in WW1?)

Records on Forest of Dean

Dymock

Albert William HODGES, 9 October 1912 - born 9 October 1912, (privately baptised died)

parents: Albert William & Alice Emily HODGES,

Dymock

Mary Elizabeth HODGES - 1 January 1920 - born 19 December 1919 (privately baptised)

parents: Albert William & Alice HODGES - Farm Labourer, address: Timber-Hill Cottage Dymock

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

paulp — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:53:55 +0000

Hi, Mr Griffiths i read your forum for the Manns/Hodges family, i'm looking for info for the Hodges Family, my Great grandfather was Albert William Hodges B 1893, who Married Alice Emma May, thay had a daughter Mary Elizabeth Hodges B 1919 my grandmother, with your info on the forum it looks likely that William Hodges and Sarah Ann Manns married in 1880 were my great grandfather Albert william Hodges parents, could i ask if you have a family connection with the Hodges family and do you have other family info for the Hodges, thanks for your time best regard Paul.

Charles Henry MANNS Kempley (reply)

jeb — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:06:56 +0000

Sounds like its the same family I will see what I have.

I would be interested if you have any details of the family including Charles himself, as we have hit a brick wall with him!

Charles Henry MANNS Kempley (reply)

chb1 — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:59:25 +0000

Charles Henry MANNS was my Great Grandfather.His daughter Emily was my Grandmother. I would be interested in any information about his other children.

Charles Henry Manns/HODGES (reply)

m p griffiths — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:29:01 +0000

FOD records - also have Lizzie MANNS - born 10 April 1887 - Thomas & Rosanna MANNS address Stonehouse Cottage, Kempley which is next door to Stone House Oaks (there is an unihabited cottage listed 1881 census) - same address given for Charles Henry MANNS (mother Sarah) in 1878 Kempley)

1891 Census, Kempley
next door to Stone House Oaks

MANNS

Thomas - 28, Ag. Lab. (Carter) born Dymock
Rosanna - 37 - born Dymock
Harriet - 11 - born Dymock
Rose - 8 - born Kempley
Albert - 6 - ditto
Lizzie - 4 - ditto
William T - ditto

? Sarah's brother

1871 Census Dymock

Williiam MANNS - 44 - Dymock
Ellen MANNS - 44 - Oxenhall
William MANNS - 21 - Newark
Sarah MANNS - 13 - Dymock
Thomas MANNS - 11 - ditto
Elizabeth MANNS - 9 - ditto
Charles MANNS - 5 - ditto
Harriett MANNS - 2 - ditto

1871 Kempley, Stone House Road

HODGES - is this the connection, brother ?? (Sarah married William HODGES - 23 September 1880, father William)

Thomas 36 - Ag Lab. born Glos. Kempley
Betsy - 40 - Wilts, Beauchump Stoke ?
Sarah - 10 - Kempley
Harriet - 8 - born ditto
Elizabeth - 7
James - 5
Jane - 1
Thomas - 1 month

Thomas HODGES - age 22 c 1839 (father William) married Elizabeth TILLEY at Kempley 29 March 1860

witnesses - Caroline & George Hodges

1861 Census Dymock
Sharr Grove

William HODGES - 54, Ag. Lab. born Glos. Kempley
Elizabeth - 48, born Dymock
William - 15 - labourer, born Dymock
Frederick - 19

next door

Thomas HODGES - 24
Elizabeth HODGES- 30
Mary TILLY - step-daughter age 11
John TILLY - step-son age 6
Sarah HODGES - 10 weeks

Charles Henry MANNS Kempley

jeb — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:51:21 +0000

I am looking for information on Charles Henry Manns who was born on 1st June 1878 in Kempley his mother was Sarah but his father is not given on his baptism or on birth certificate.

I have found a Sarah Ann Manns born 1857 (father William and Mother Ellen)who is the correct age to have had a child in 1878.

She married William Hodges in 1880 and according to the 1881 census she had a son called Charles Hodges but there is no record of his birth.

Could this Charles actually be Charles Manns and is there any way of proving it ?