Is his father William who died in 1579?

Many thanks,

Richard Hunt

This made me laugh! Only started looking into my Bailey ancestors (William Bailey 1676 & Elizabeth Daw) a couple of days ago and was amazed to find so much info readily available so have been immersed in it all - my husband is threatening to ban me from the laptop because I'm so absorbed!!

One question, given the available records, etc, do you think that it will ever be possible to resolve the issue over who was the parent of Anselm (d 1689) - John or Anselm?

Many thanks for sharing your info on here and happy hunting!!

Cerys

My wife also descends from the same William bailey as yourself and then down through Anselm his son. Or at least that is what I have. I do need to sit and go through it again. Thank you for your references I have already used joy whaites history which was where I got most of my information from.

Good luck with the rest of your tree and please keep me posted if you have any further developments on this branch

Many thanks once again for your help

Dan haynes

Excellent, not heard that one before altho my wife probably thinks the same !.
Thanks for giving me something to smile about after a difficult day.

Hopefully now you've started researching your wife's tree she'll be a little more understanding !

:-)

This is brilliantt thank you so much for all your help.

Sorry for the delay in replying but was told by my wife to give the family tree a rest for a while or I will be removing her from it.

It will take me some time to go through what you have sent but many thanks once again for all your help

Dan

Further more transcripts from Wheatenhurst Parish Records:-

Burials
Thomas Bayly was buried The 13th day of February1538
Henry Bayly was buried the 23rd day of February 1544
Alice Bailey was buried the 8th day of September1545
Edward Bayly was buried the 10th day of August 1545
Margaret Bayly was buried the 14th day of December1546
Johan Bayly was buried the 22nd day of November 1546
Margery Bayly was buried the 3rd day of March 1547
Johan Bayly was buried the 29th day of July 1551
Richard Bayly was buried the 8th day of October 1553
Gyles Bayly was buried the 25th day of November 1554
Margaret Bayly daughter of William was buried the 17th day September 1556
Johan Bayly wife of William was buried the 17th day September 1556
William Bayly was buried the 26th day of March 1557
Margaret Bayly was buried the 11th day of March 1560
Johan Bayly wife of Thomas was buried the 19th day of August 1565
Thomas Bayly was buried the sixth day of December 1565
Mary Bayly was buried the 10th day of December 1565
Elizabeth Bayly was buried the 22nd day of August 1571
Thomas Bayly was buried the 7th day of August 1572
Thomas Bayly son of Richard was buried the 7th day of September 1572
Elizabeth Bayly was buried the third day of November 1577
Alice Bayly widow was buried the last day of June 1580
Alice Bayly wife of John was buried the 19th day of March 1587
Richard Bayly was buried the 4th day of April 1587
John Bayly son of Richard was buried the 27th day of September 1587
Robert Bayly was buried the 28th day of December 1587
Johan Bayly was buried the 17th day of April 1589
Richard Bayly was buried the 8th day of September 1595
Agnis Bayly widow was buried the last day of March 1597
Joyoce the wife of Annsell Baylie was buried the 21st day of July 1610
Anne the wife of John Baylie buried October 27th 1610
John Baylie yeoman was buried the 11th day of March 1610
Edith Baylie widow was buried the last day of October 1613
Sarah Tayler servant of Anncell Baylie was buried the first day of February 1614
Edward Baylie was buried the 10th day of July 1616
Alice the daughter of Anncell Baylie was buried the 12th day of January 1616/7
Marie the daughter of Anncell Baylie was buried the 21st day of the January 1616/7
Agnis Bayly was buried on the eighteenth day of January 1622/3
Dorathy the wife of Ansell Bayly buried the 31st day of March 1637

Marriages
Thomas Bayly & Johan Newman were married the 8th day of June 1547
William Bayly & Johan Evans were married the 28th day of January 1548
Thomas Bayly and Alice Higges were married the 12th day of July 1550
Thomas Bayly and Johan Blake were married the 16th day of October 1554
Richard Bayly & Anna Cowles were married the 14th day of Jannuary 1581
Robert Bayly & Katrin Chandler were married the 2nd day of August 1581
John Bayly & Elizabeth Lugge were married the 13th day Sept 1578
William Bayley & Elizabeth the widow of one Savage were married the 16 day of April 1627
Johan Bayly & John Broker were married the 8th day of January 1560
Elizabeth Bayly & Gyles Dawby were married the 22nd day of November 1571
Agnis Bayly & Morris Jones were married the 16th day of November 1573
Elioner Bayly & John Cowles the married the 17th day of January 1580
Mary Bayly &William Wintle were married the 8th day of October 1584
Elizabeth Bayly & Thomas Tycull were married 3rd day of January 1586
Johan Bayly & John Elberton were married the 12th day of January 1587
Johan Bayly & Edward Osborne were married the 14th day of November 1589
Margaret Bayly & Robert Cowles were married the 19th day of February 1591
Dorathy Bayly & Gyles Driver were married the 3rd day of November 1595
Johan Bayly & Richard Harris were married the 6th day of December 1596
Ann Bayly & Thomas ... Merry and con......1630/1

Regards

Keith

Further information transcribed from the Wheatenhurst Parish Records:-

BAILEY (BAYLY)

Baptisms
..............Bayly was baptized 1540/1
Richard Bayly was baptized 1540/1
Elizabeth Bayly was baptized October 1542
Alice Bayly was baptized January 1542
William Bayly was baptized 1544
Henry Bayly was baptized 1547
Elizabeth Bayly was baptized 1547
Giles Bayly was baptized 1548
......Bayly ..... day of April 1550
Alice Bayly .. .....of November 1552
Richard Bayly was baptized the ..... day of August 1553
Giles Bayly was baptized the 12th day of September 1554
John Bayly was baptized the ........day of [October] 1554
Katrin.Bayly was baptized the 29th day of April 1558
Margaret Bayly daughter of Thomas was bapt the 20th day of February 1560
Johane Bayly the daughter of John was bapt the 11th day of June 1561
Thomas Bayly son of Richard was bapt the 1st day of November 1561
.......Bayly son of Thomas was bapt the 20th day of October 1562
Elizabeth Bayly daughter of John was bapt the 20th day of December 1562
Mary Bayly daughter of John was baptiz the 14th dai May 1564
Agnis Bayly filia Richard was baptized .the 20........day of January 1565
William Bayly son of John Bayly was bapt the 7th daye of 1566
Alice Bayly daughter of Richard Bayly was bapt the 2nd day of September 1566
Alice Bayly daughter of Thomas was bapt the 18th day of October 1566
John and Richard Bayly sons of John were bapt the 3rd day February1568
John Bayly son of Thomas was bapt the 6th daye of Septem...1568
Gyles Bayly son of Thomas was baptized the 10th day of September 1570
Dorathy Bayly daughter of John was baptized the 13th day of April 1572
Thomas Bayly son of…… was bapt the 20th day of September 1572
Ancelme Bayly son of John was bapt the 19th day of July 1573
Agnis Bayly daughter of Robert was bap ………26th day of October 1581
Katrin Bayly daughter of Johnis was bapt the 18th day of October 1582
Johan Bayly daughter of Robert was bapt the 16th day of June 1583
Margery Bayly daughter of Robert was bapt……………………… 1585
Johan Bayly daughter of John Jn was bapt 23rd January 1586
The 15th.of August was baptised John Bayly the son of Annsell Bayly 1602
Elizabeth the daughter of Anncell Baylie was baptized the 6th day of October 1605 1605
Hannah the daughter of Anncell Baylie wasbaptized the 22nd day March 1606
Susanne the daughter of Anncell Baylie was baptized the 13th day of November 1608
Jone the daughter of Anncell Baylie was bapt the 17th day of July Anno domini 1610
William the son of Anncell Baylie was baptized the 19th day of March 1611
Marie the daughter of Anncell Baylie was baptized the 13th day of August 1615
Anncell the son of Annsell Baylie was bapti the 20th day of June anno dui 1617
Thomas the son of Annsell Baylie baptized the 9th of April ..d 1619
Marie the daughter of Anncell Baylie was baptiz the first day of July 1621
Thomas Bayly son of William and Elizabeth his wife duis bapt.Idrius quinto April 1632
Bat: Elizabeth Bayly the daughter of John Bayly the 20th of April 1634
Edward the son of William Bayly baptized the 30th day of April 1637
Regards

Keith

Apologies, there is a slight error in my previous email with numerating the generations (fourth should read Third generation, and so forth).

With regards Anselm born 1673, I believe his ancestry is as follows:-

2. Family of John BAILEY and Anne (Holliday)
Their children are:-
All baptisms at Wheatenhurst

3 Dorathy bp 8 Apr 1572 mar. Giles Driver of Aston, Avening d.1640
4 Anselm bp 19 Jul 1573, bur. pre 23 Dec 1646 – Last Will 1646/6 married:-
l. pre 1602 ? Joyce ,bur. 29 Jul 1610 Wheat
2. pre 1611 Dorathy bur. 31 Mar 1637/8 Wheat
5 William Bayley b. Abt 1566, d. Abt 1625 (Will 1625) mar. Jane Gore of Alderton, Wilts
6 Richard Baily bap. 3 Feb 1568 Wheatenhurst, bur 8 Sep 1595 Whettenhurst (WILL 1595), mar. Jonne
7 John Bayly bap. 3 Feb 1568 Wheatenhurst
8 Katrin Bayly bap. 18 Oct 1582 Wheatenhurst

[4.1.] Family of Anselm BAILEY and Joyce
Their children are:-
All baptisms at Wheatenhurst

9 John bp 15 Aug 1602, bur. 21 Dec 1689 Wheat mar.
10 Elizabeth bp 6 Oct 1605 bu post 1646
11 Hannah (Annah) bp 26 Mar 1606, bur. 24 Dec 1640 Frampton m (as Anna) 7 Dec 1632 Wheat to Thomas MERRY bp 26 Dec 1602 Painswick.
Thomas MERRY ? m 7 Jul 1642 Frampton Juditha (Rogers)
12 Susanne bp 8 Nov 1608, d pre 1645
13 Jane bp 12 Jun 1610, d pre 1645

[4.2.] Family of Anselm BAILEY and Dorathy
Their children are:-
All baptisms at Wheatenhurst

14 William bp 15 Mar 1611/2
15 Marie bp 8 Aug 1615, bur. 28 Jan 1617 Wheat. - NO ISSUE
16 Alice bp - bur. 7 Jan 1617 Wheat. - NO ISSUE
17 Anselm bp 15 Jun 1617, mar. 10 Apr 1662 Wheat to Mary (Dawby) bp circa 1624 widow, bur. 1/3 Feb 1677 Wheat. Mary (Rice) first married Giles Dawby on 6 Jun 1565 at Quedgeley Parish
18 Marie bp 1 Jul 1621, mar. (as Mary) 8 Nov 1658 Ashleworth to John CLARKE
19 Thomas Bayly bap. 9 April 1619 Wheatenhurst
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[9.] Family of John BAILEY (possibly John of Frampton on Severn) or Family of Anselm of Elmore (see previous email and Anselm born Elmore).

Their children are:-
20. Anselm bp unknown bur. 14 Dec 1689 Wheat. Will 1690/106 mar. pre 1670/2 Sarah, bp c 1638, d 3 Nov 1722, bur. 5 Nov 1722 Wheat. [see also 2e.4 may be son of Anselm]

[20.] Family of Anselm BAILEY and Sarah
Their children are:-
All baptisms at Wheatenhurst

21 Sarah bp 5 Jun 1670/2 , mar. 24 Apr 1690 Glos Cathedral to Egid = Giles HOLDER / 25 Jul 1703 Glos St. Nicholas William BROWN MA of Tewkesbury age 23years and Sarah the same age

22 Anselm bp circa 1673, d 11 Aug 1743, bur. 4 Sep 1743 Haresfield, mar. 21 May 1699 Haresfield to Anne (Whitterne) bp 16 Nov 1682 Glos St Nicholas, bur 20 Oct 1729 Haresfield

23 William bp 30 Oct 1676 ,d 30 Dec 1754 ,bur. Wheat., mar. 14 Apr 1705 Glos St Mary de Lode to Elizabeth (Daw), bp c 1684 Standish ,d 2 Feb 1744 Wheat
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24 John bp 29 Sept 1679 bu 21 Aug 174l Standish will 1690/16 m (as William) 17 Feb 1705 Glos St Mary de Lode Edith (Whitthorn) bp 24 Jan 1680 Charlton Kings (CK) d pre 1736

This is still a work in progress.

Kind Regards

Keith Bailey

My interpretation of the data is as follows:-

The earliest known record of a Bayly in this locality is John Bayly, a tenant farmer at Wheatenhurst, in 1479.

The Muster Roll of 1522 records for the parish of Wheatenhurst one Thomas Baylly plus another Thomas Bailly (presumed son of Thomas) and a Richard Bayly (presumed a brother to either Thomas senior or Thomas junior).

In the parish register of Wheatenhurst various births are recorded as follows: Richard, Elizabeth and Alice between 1540 and 1543, William in 1544, Henry and Elizabeth in 1547, and Giles(AEgidy) in 1548, parents unknown. Also, several burials which may have been children, adults, or wives, as follows: Henry 1544, Edward 1545, Alice 1545, Margaret 1546, Johan 1546.

One William Baily is recorded in the Muster Roll 1522 in the neighbouring parish of Longney and may have been the husband of one Margaret BAYLY residing at Longney who died circa 1547(her Will 1544) proved 1547, buried 3 March 1547 at Wheatenhurst.

Margaret Bayly, widow, in her WILL made 1544, names her sons as follows:- Wyllm the heldest, Jhon the elder, Richard, Thomas, Robart, Jhon the younger, William the younger.

First Generation being the descendants of Margaret Baylye of Longney (buried 3 March 1547 Wheatenhurst).The Chidren of Margaret Baylye:-
1. Wyllm the held(est) b.1511, bur 1557 (Will 1547) proved 1557/8 mar. Elizabeth Batt (Will 1578) [see the descendants of William Baylye of Wheatenhurst in the Visitation 1682-84 and supplemental records]
2. Jhon the helder [see John 6.] either d.1563 Eastington mar to Agnes
3. Richard d.1588 Wheatenhurst (Will 1588) mar 4 February 1568 North Nibley to Agnes Wilkins
4. Thomas d. 1557 Quedgeley (Will 1557) mar to Alyss d.1580 Wheatenhurst (Will 1580)
5. Robart – birth not known
6. Jhon the younger [see John 2.] d.1575 married to Jone
7. William Bayly (the younger) buried 28 March 1579 (Will 1579/206)
(i) mar 28 Jan 1548 Wheatenhurst to Johan (Evans) br. 17 Sep 1556 Wheat
(ii)mar 11 July 1560 Johane (Jenyng), bur. June 1571 Elmore

Second Generation
[7.] Family of William Baylye and (Johane Jenying). Their children are:-
8. Anselm bap. 10 Mar 1560, bur 28 Apr 1634 Elmore
mar. 6 Dec 1579 Elmore to Agnes (Wyman), bur. 30 Apr 1619 Elmore
Fourth Generation
Although no record has been verified it is believed Anselm and Agnes had issue, another Anselm born abt 1604

Fifth Generation
Family of Anselm BAYLEY and wife (unknown).Their children are:-
9. William bap 9 Sep 1621 Elmore ,mar pre 1642
10. Anselm bap 24 Aug 1623 [ possibly bur. 14 Dec 1689 Wheat. Will 1690/106 mar. pre 1670/2 Sarah, bp c 1638, d 3 Nov 1722, bur. 5 Nov 1722 Wheat]. [This assumption differs from Joy Whaite's assumption that this Anselm was descended from John Bailey of Wheatenhurst].

Sixth Generation

[9.]Family of William BAILEY and wife (unknown)Their children are, all baptisms assumed to be in Elmore
11 Anselm bap 3 Apr 1642, bur 2 Jul 1642 Elmore - NO ISSUE

12 John bap 30 Apr l643, mar (as BAILES) 5 Nov 1668 Aston Sub Edge to Franc (Collett). Frances Bailey of Wheatenhurst second mar 8 Oct 1710 at Frocester to Daniel JONES of Eastington

13 Female unnamed bap, bur 30 June 1645 Elmore - NO ISSUE

14 William bap 13 Jun 1647 , bur. post 1734 at Painswick, occ Broadweaver, (Will 1743/189 ), mar. 4 May 1676 at Painswick to Mary (Budden)

15 Jeremie bap 18 Aug 1650, bur ll Nov 1650 Elmore - NO ISSUE

16 Thomas bap 18 Feb 1654 Elmore
Married
(i) 2 Jan 1686 at Painswick to Jane (Pinchin)
(ii) Jul 1701 Painswick to Hannah (Tailer)

Seventh Generation

[12] Family of John BAILEY and Franc (Collett)Their children are:-

17 Mary bap 12 Apr 1672 Wheatenhurst, mar. 28 Jun 1690 or 24/28 Jun 1696 Stonehouse to Richard BALL or 28 Apr 1704 at Stroud to Richard STEPHENS

18 Elizabeth bap l5/18 Sep 1676, bur 14 Feb 1682 Wheatenhurst,- NO ISSUE

19 Anselm bap 1680 , m ar18 Apr 1710 at North Nibley to Elizabeth (Boon)

20 Nathaniel bap 22 Feb 1684 Eastington and Alkerton , bur 8 Dec 1743 Wheatenhurst,,mar 6 April 1713 to Elizabeth,(Hanman) bur 1/5 Feb or 9 Apr 1741/2 Wheatenhurst,

21 Elizabeth bap 8 Apr 1688 Wheatenhurst, bur Dec 1703 - NO ISSUE

Happy to assist further.

Regards

Keith Bailey.

There is a book called "The Family Saga" published by Marie Lawry which traces her branch of the same family in the 18th/19th century that emigrated to New Zealand.
Most of the above research was conducted in the 1990's. Since then there has been more information available which enhances the above above.

The Heralds Visitation of Gloucester 1682 - 1684 (available on Google Books) provides information on another branch of the family in Wheatenhurst who became lords of the manor of Wheatenhurst, and later Fretherne.Again, they were clothiers. Reference to this branch of the family (John, William and Anselm) is recorded in the British History, an on line volume covering Gloucestershire, in the chapter for Wheatenhurst.

Also, Ancestry.co.uk has recently publish Wills & Probate records for Gloucestershire on line which provides Wills of several Baileys (i.e. Bayly, Bailey, Bayley, Baylye, Baley) which are connected to your branch of the family tree.

I also have a digitised copy of the Wheatenhurst Parish Register (or what’s left of it), covering 1538 to 1660, which I have transcribed. Plus copies of several Wills, most of which were provided by Gloucestershire Archives. Happy to provide details.

Regards

Keith Bailey

Dan

Whitminster/Wheatenhurst -

Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD pre 1800

Anselm BAILEY of Whitminster married Ann SHIPWAY - 15 November 1766

Anselm BAILEY 0f Whitminster married Ann WHITE - 20 October 1770

Ancestry: Gloucestershire Wills

Anselm BAILEY - 1770 - Longney - Will

Anselm BAILY - 1770 - Longney - Inventory

Anselm BAYLY - 1690 - Standish - Inventory

Anselm BAYLY - 1646 - Whitminster - Will
Ansell BAYLEY - 1646 - Whitminster - Inventory

Anselm BAYLY - 1690 Standish - Will

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Elizabeth BAILIE - 1578 - Whitminster, Will
Alice BAILEY - 1580 - Whitminster, Will
Richard BAYLIE - 1588 - Whitminster, Will
Richard BAYLIE - 1595 - Whitminster, Will
William BAYRYN - 1545 - Whitminster, Will

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Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608

Whitminster (Stonehouse)

Where of William BAYLEY Gentleman is Lord
John BAYLY has one corslet finished
Anselme BAYLY - A40 - middle stature, trained (so he's aged about 40)

Henry THOMAS servant to Anselme BAYLY - clothier

I have traced my wife's family back to Anselm Bailey b. 1673 in Wheatenhurst. I have also found other Anselm Baileys of an earlier period also from Wheatenhurst and would like to be able to link them. I have Anselm being married to an Elizabeth Boon but am not sure how reliable this is.

Any help would be much appreciated

Many thanks

Dan