Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Percy Henry Prosser b 1884 Ross on Wye.

Percy Henry Prosser b 1884 Ross on Wye. (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 01:38:24 +0000

Thanks Mike.
Yes the "Ross" death record that I thought I'd already posted does seem likely, but how odd (or maybe not in this hobby, haha), that you find an equally good fit in Birmingham too of all places. Given it seems his wife Edith was buried in Mitcheldean, it seems likely that Percy's there too, but ???.

Hopefully I'll soon get some feedback from one of his ancestors wrt the accuracy of these findings.

Thanks again sir.

PS I really am going to have to subscribe again to the 1939 Register - I spent ages on the weekend using the Ancestry free access, mostly looking for just a few of my wive's ancestors, her London east end folk were very "elusive" indeed ahem, beginning to think they were gangsters not dockers haha - hence when this enquiry came along I'd run out of time on Ancestry. Think I'm due an early birthday gift.

Percy Henry Prosser b 1884 Ross on Wye. (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Tue, 19 Feb 2019 20:22:40 +0000

I imagine this is the favourite for Percy’s death. There seems to be no image available of any PR and I guess he was buried closer to where he originated.

GR England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name Percy H
Last Name Prosser
Gender Male
Year 1955
Birth Year 1885
Birth Month
Birth Day
District Ross
County Herefordshire
Country England
Volume 9A
Event Quarter 1
District Number
Page 96
Line Number 44

As far as I can see the only other candidate is this,

GR England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name Percy H
Last Name Prosser
Gender Male
Year 1950
Birth Year 1886
Birth Month
Birth Day
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 9C
Event Quarter 4
District Number
Page 321
Line Number 11

However, there is an Ancestry National Probate Calendar entry which indicates that this was a Percy Herman PROSSER who died 19 October 1950 so unlikely to be relevant despite one of the children probably settling in Birmingham.

Percy's parents, George & Elizabeth PROSSER b 1856. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 19 Feb 2019 02:21:59 +0000

Following on from this earlier post;

1891 Gateford Road, Brampton Abbotts, Ross, Herefordshire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Prosser Head M 34 Groom. Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Prosser Wife F 33 Herefordshire, England
Cecil Prosser Son M 10 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Tracey Prosser Son M 6 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Percy H Prosser Son M 5 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Adolphus A Prosser Son M 4 Scholar. Pencoyd, Herefordshire, England

Searching more wrt Percy's parents;

1911 Ross Urban, Ross, Herefordshire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Prosser Head M 55 GROOM, NOT DOMESTIC. Garway, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Prosser Wife F 54 Whaddon, Gloucestershire
Adolphus. Alexander Prosser Son M 25 BREWER ASSISTANT. Pencoyd, Herefordshire
Ernley William Prosser Son M 23 ENGINEER. Pencoyd, Herefordshire
Roland Prosser Son M 16 GARDENER BOY. Brampton Abbotts, Herefordshire
Annie Lavina Prosser Daughter F 10 Brampton Abbotts, Herefordshire

1901 Brampton Abbotts, Ross, Herefordshire, Wales.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Prosser Head M 45 Shepherd. Garway, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Prosser Wife F 42 Waddon, Gloucestershire
Adolphus Prosser Son M 14 Pencoyd, Herefordshire
E? Prosser Son M 12 ORDINARY FARM LABOURER.Pencoyd, Herefordshire
Roland Prosser Son M 5 Brampton Abbotts, Herefordshire
Annie L Prosser Daughter F 0 Brampton Abbotts, Herefordshire

1881 Garway (Hereford), Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Prosser Head M 30 General labourer. Garway, Herefordshire, England
Esther Prosser Wife F 29 Hay, Brecknockshire, Wales
Emmily E Prosser Daughter F 7 Hay, Brecknockshire, Wales
Louisa S Prosser Daughter F 6 Garway, Herefordshire, England
William T Prosser Son M 3 Orcop, Herefordshire, England
Ellen E Prosser Daughter F 0 Garway, Herefordshire, England
George T Prosser Lodger M 24 General labourer. Garway, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth Prosser Wife F 24 Waddon, Gloucestershire, England

(Suggests George is NOT the son of William & Esther ?

FreeBMD has no record for George T Prosser born in this area at this time. There are a few George Prossers tho, perhaps the "T" was a later addition, or just a transcript error ?)

Maybe ?

Name George Prosser
Gender Male
Christening Date 29 Sep 1856
Christening Place GARWAY,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Prosser
Mother's Name Anne

Cannot find definite marriage for George, or for his parents.
???

1861 Garway Common, Garway, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Prosser Head M 45 Agricultural labourer. Garway, Herefordshire
Ann Prosser Wife F 26 Garway, Herefordshire
William Prosser Son M 10 Garway, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Prosser Daughter F 7 Garway, Herefordshire
George Prosser Son M 5 Garway, Herefordshire
Thomas Prosser Son M 1 Garway, Herefordshire
Penelope Prosser Relative F 69 Garway, Herefordshire

1871 Kentchurch, Kentchurch, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thos Sparks Head M 65 Farmer. Gloucestershire
Maria Sparks Wife F 55 Slimbridge, Gloucestershire
William Sparks Son M 29 Cau*, Gloucestershire
David Sparks Son M 27
William Watkins Servant M 44 Farm servant. St Maughans, Monmouthshire
George Prosser Servant M 14 Farm servant. Garway, Herefordshire

(Kentchurch is west of Garway, almost on the Wye, towards Grosmont.)

This is a good fit for George born 1856;

Record_ID: 313524
Entry_Number: 673
Year: 1918
Month: Jun
Day: 26
Surname: PROSSER
Forenames: George
Residence: 1 Greytree Rd
Age_at_death: 61
Officiating_Minister: R T A Money-Kyrle Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: BW14/21
Page_No: 85
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Soundex: P626

???

Also a good fit for Elizabeth, perhaps ??

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1941
Prosser Elizabeth 83 Ross 6a 1492

Percy Henry Prosser b 1884 Ross on Wye. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 19 Feb 2019 01:29:56 +0000

This site's PRs also include his children's Marriages, which all confirm he was indeed a blacksmith in Mitcheldean.

Record_ID: 939
Entry_Number: 261
Year: 1938
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: PROSSER
Grooms_Forenames: Reginald Hubert
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Farm labourer
Grooms_Residence: Wellington House Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Prosser
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Brides_Surname: PULHAM
Brides_Forenames: Freda Harding
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Rose Cottage Silver St Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Ada B East
Witness_2: Arthur L East
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: F M Green Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 131
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex_Groom: P626
Soundex_Bride: P450

Record_ID: 132933
Entry_Number: 47
Year: 1938
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: CROCKETT
Grooms_Forenames: Ernest Harold
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Leather Worker
Grooms_Residence: High Street Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Crockett
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Ernest William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Haulier
Brides_Surname: PROSSER
Brides_Forenames: Lillian May
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Nurse
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Prosser
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: James Leslie Rose
Witness_2: Rosa Muriel Prosser
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: A.R.Smith Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/16
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex_Groom: C623
Soundex_Bride: P626

FreeBMD birth records suggest the couple settled in Birmingham after the war where their children were born.

Record_ID: 132938
Entry_Number: 1
Year: 1940
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL
Grooms_Forenames: Kenneth Frederick
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Wood Worker
Grooms_Residence: Hewsker Hill Mitcheldeane
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Marshall
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Frederick Lewis
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Maltster
Brides_Surname: PROSSER
Brides_Forenames: Rosa Muriel
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic
Brides_Residence: Hewsker Hill Mitcheldene
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Prosser
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Marjory Anne Prosser
Witness_2: Lucy Marshall
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: A R Smith Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/17
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex_Groom: M624
Soundex_Bride: P626

Record_ID: 132964
Entry_Number: 27
Year: 1946
Month: Jan
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: PROSSER
Grooms_Forenames: Leslie Norman
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: R N Seaman
Grooms_Residence: Hawker Hill Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Prosser
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Brides_Surname: RUTLAND
Brides_Forenames: Joyce Irene Patricia
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Canteen Worker
Brides_Residence: High Street Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Rutland
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Herbert John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Engineer
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: H G Rutland
Witness_2: A L East
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: A R Smith Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/17
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex_Groom: P626
Soundex_Bride: R345

FreeBMD birth records suggest that both of the above couples stayed in the FoD area, at least while their children were born.

Percy Henry Prosser b 1884 Ross on Wye. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:51:50 +0000

Today I did some basic research on this gentleman after he was mentioned to me on social media, so I thought I'd use it to add some detail to this thread.

FreeBMD & FamilySearch gives;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Dec 1884
Prosser Percy Henry Ross 6a 468

1891 Gateford Road, Brampton Abbotts, Ross, Herefordshire
Residence Note Gateford Road
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Prosser Head M 34 Groom. Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Prosser Wife F 33 Herefordshire, England
Cecil Prosser Son M 10 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Tracey Prosser Son M 6 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Percy H Prosser Son M 5 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Adolphus A Prosser Son M 4 Scholar. Pencoyd, Herefordshire, England

1901 Wye Street, Ross Urban, Herefordshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Walter B Townsend Head M 39 LICENSED VICTUALLER. Kennessley, Herefordshire
Charlotte Townsend Wife F 37 Pereshere, Worcestershire
Percy Prosser Servant M 16 OSTLER AND BOOTS. Trevase, Herefordshire

(NB Trevase is near Pencoyd, west of Ross)

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1910
Morgan Edith Ross 6a 1067
Prosser Percy H Ross 6a 1067

1911 Ross Rural, Ross, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Percy Prosser Head M 26 Blacksmith. Ross, Herefordshire
Edith Prosser Wife F 26 Hentland, Herefordshire
May Prosser Daughter F 0 Hom Green, Herefordshire

(Hentland is near Percy's home area of Pencoyd).

It's hard to be sure where Edith's (Census) background was as not a rare name in the general area.

From this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 456393
Entry_Number: 563
Year: 1911
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: PROSSER
Child_Forenames: Lily May
Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Horns Green
Occupation: Blacksmith
Officiating_Minister: J. A. S. Griffith Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: 9.3.11
Register_Reference: BW14/2
Page_Number: 71
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Soundex: P626

Record_ID: 456600
Entry_Number: 771
Year: 1913
Month: Jun
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: PROSSER
Child_Forenames: Ada Beatrice
Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Horns Green
Occupation: Blacksmith
Officiating_Minister: L.P. Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: 5.6.13
Register_Reference: BW14/2
Page_Number: 97
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Soundex: P626

NB: their residence should read Hom Green, which is southwest of Ross towards Goodrich.

Record_ID: 457142
Entry_Number: 1315
Year: 1920
Month: May
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: PROSSER
Child_Forenames: Rose Muriel
Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blaisdon Longhope
Occupation: Blacksmith
Officiating_Minister: L.P. Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: 14.32
Register_Reference: 142
Page_Number: 165
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Soundex: P626

Record_ID: 457552
Entry_Number: 123
Year: 1924
Month: May
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: PROSSER
Child_Forenames: Norman Leslie
Fathers_Forenames: Percy Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blaisdon
Occupation: Blacksmith
Officiating_Minister: R.T.A. Money Kyrle Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [1] b[orn] March 25.1924
Notes: [1] entered in Child's Christian Name column
Register_Reference: BW14/3
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Soundex: P626

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1955 (>99%)
Prosser Percy H 70 Ross 9a 96

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Percy apparently once worked as a farrier/smith in Mitcheldean, at what is now a shop near the Lamb pub, presumably at some time after the 1911 Census. This seems to fit in with the family moving south from Ross thro' Hom Green to Blaisdon.

If so, then maybe this is wife Edith's burial ?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1942
Prosser Edith 57 F.of Dean 6a 508

??
Yes, Mitcheldean... and age fits too.

Record_ID: 219527
Entry_Number: 694
Year: 1942
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Surname: PROSSER
Forenames: Edith
Residence: Hawkes Hill Mitcheldean
Age_at_death: 57 years
Officiating_Minister: A.R.Smith
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No: 87
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex: P626

Sadly cannot find a Mitcheldean burial record for Percy.

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:12:10 +0000

Searching the National Archives site for WW1 Campaign Medals gives 42 Albert Easts, but none specifically Albert SYDNEY East.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchType=browse...

Guessing his likely Regiment from these 42 possibles, could this be your Albert I wonder ?.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3613958&a...

Private Albert East number 4140 Welsh Guards, 1914-1920.

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

tuthill — Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:31 +0000

Jeff, Thankyou for clearing that up. It never ceases to amaze me how much information
is available on this site. Thanks again.

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:41:05 +0000

Hi,
Apparently the name "Gwladys" is of ancient Welsh origin, originally "Gwladus".

It's uncertain as to it's exact original meaning, it may derive either from the Latin name Claudius, (hence the name Claudia) or from the Welsh word "gwlad," meaning "countryside" which seems more probable to me. "Gladys" is the later English derivative.

As these links show the name's associated with ancient Welsh royalty/nobility.

http://www.breconbeacons.org/visit-us/about-the-brecon-beacons/legend-of-gwladys-and-ei...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwladus_Ddu

I suspect in this instance the name was intended as "Gwladys" but has perhaps been understandably mispelt by Census recorders/transcribers.
It's interesting to see the above Brecon Beacons hyperlink even mis-spells it as it points to the story of "Gwladus" !

Hope this helps.

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

tuthill — Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:40:17 +0000

Thankyou to both Roger and MP Griffiths very much for that info. One query I have
with respect to the Census details. The spelling of Gwaladys is it correct or should
it be Gladys.

Thanks again.

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 09 Sep 2011 11:36:50 +0000

If you obtained access to Ancestry Public Members Trees, there are quite a few family trees regarding the EAST & PICTON etc

Leonard East married (Gwladys Bonnell PICTON born c1839) 1868, Llanelli, Carmanthenshire - parents given as David PICTON & Mary HUGHES

1871 Census, Carmarthenshire, Llanelly

PICTON

David - 31 Refiner of iron & Grocer, born Llangewad, Carm
Mary - 26 - all born Llanelly
David Hugh - 5
Gwaladys Bonnel - 3
Phoebe - 2
+ Servant

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different opinions on these trees as to David's parents

1861 Census Llanelley

William EVANS 34
Phebe EVANS - 49
David PICTON - 21 Stepson, Refiner in Tin Works, born Carm, Llandefaeney
+ new EVANS siblings (oldest being 11 years)

Looking at the 1851 census, David + his sister Rachel PICTON - are living with William & Phebe EVANS

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?
1841 Census, Carmarthenshire - Llanarthney

New Mill

PICTON

John - 25 - Miller
Phene - 25, Mary 6, Eleanor 4, David 2 - Rachel 2 months

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

Roger Griffiths — Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:58:38 +0000

Best start Thomas Picton search with IGI sheets for Poyston, Pembrokeshire 1758. Being gentry, entries may be more complete than some. Most public libraries have IGI.

Just looked up the IGI on www.familysearch.org. Can't be sure but this looks hopeful. Thomas Picton, bapt. Rudbaxton, Pembrokeshire, 15Aug1758. Father John, mother Cecil(sic) Powell. Died 1815. Lt. General Sir Thomas Picton was killed 18th June 1815 at Battle of Waterloo.

Roger

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

tuthill — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:38:09 +0000

Gillian

Very sorry but I have no further info at present but as soon
as I do I will let you know

Thanks.

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

gillianevans4 — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:38:28 +0000

Hi
Thanks for your reply.I have Leonard and Gladys in my tree but only have 3 of their children up to 1901.I didn't know about Arthur Leonard.I wonder if your son in law knows of other children.The free BMD has about 10 entries Pontypool reg between 1901 and 1910.Leonard's children would be 1st cousins of my grandfather.Have you come across the army service record for their eldest son Albert Sidney on ancestry?
gillian

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

tuthill — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:41:18 +0000

Thanks Gillian

My son in law is the Grandson of Arthur Leonard EAST (the son of Leonard
and Gladys) and his wife Ada nee PROSSER.I understand from my son in law that the
PICTON connection may go back to Sir Thomas PICTON the famous army general.Thanks again for your help and I will hopefully reply with more information for you.

Graham.

East and Prosser Families of Ross. (reply)

gillianevans4 — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:01:43 +0000

Hi
Just seen your message.Leonard East youngest son of Thomas and Rosanna East was born in Eardisley.He married Gladys Picton whose brother became the vicar of Cathedine near Llangorse ,Brecon.One of his children David Thomas East died 1900 and is buried with Thomas and Rosanna in Eardisley Churchyard.A few years ago my mother paid a stone mason to have this headstone done up.
Leonard East's eldest brother was my great grandfather William East.
Gillian

East and Prosser Families of Ross.

tuthill — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 14:26:48 +0000

I am attemting to trace the family lines of Leonard EAST and in particular the connection with the PICTON family and also the family lines of Percy Henry PROSSER.
Both men are believed to have been living in the Ross area during the early years of
the 1900s. Tuthill.