Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Old Furnace Valley

Old Furnace Valley (reply)

admin — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:07:36 +0000

In our Photo Galery "Ian Thomas's Selections" you will find the following photo:

Old Furnace Valley c1909
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/ian_thomas/index2.html

Previous posting by slowhands will give you some details of the location
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=2091#p2094

If you put "old furnace valley forest of dean" in the Google search box you will come up with many webpage references for the place.

Old Furnace Blakeney, (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:20:25 +0000

Old Furnace Bottom is just out of Blakeney on the road that loops up towards Mallards Pike

William MORGAN, Awre/Blakeney, circa 1837 (reply)

nan\'s families — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:45:33 +0000

Hi Julie
The family of Morgan's at Old Furnace were not mine. They were Jean Herbert's who posted in on my Morgans. Sorry I don't know where Old Furnace is.
Good Luck.
Dorothy

William MORGAN, Awre/Blakeney, circa 1837 (reply)

Julie — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:02:13 +0000

As I believe that I am related to these Morgans, could you please let me know where Old Furnace is and where they were living in 1851

thanks

Julie

John P MORGAN, Bream 1859 (reply)

nan\'s families — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:43:23 +0000

Kathy
Forgot to mention Diana is listed as unmarried in census' not a widow. Where was the marriage of Diana Grange and William Morgan. Diana is also listed as deaf in 1841 and deaf from birth in 1851.
Dorothy

Diana MORGAN, Bream/Newland, 1792 - 1862 (reply)

kathy fletcher — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:24:40 +0000

Dorothy, I've been trying to respond to your e-mail, but am afraid I'm not terribly computer competent. I am a g+granddaughter of Carmalla Morgan, niece of William Morgan. Mary and her mother Diana are also, of course, in my direct line.

I had found a marriage of a Diana Grange and William Morgan, but unable to prove that is a marriage of the correct people we are considering. Slowhands had mentioned that there is a William, collier, listed in one of the records,then crosed out. Was told at a seminar that often the minister would 'update' records using this method if the person named in the record had passed away prior to the baptism, etc. of the child. I guess we could consider that as well.

Mary died in 1869, Carmalla and 3 sons emmigrated to USA in 1871, husband John Fletcher (according to family stories) had been working as a surveyor in South America for 18 months prior to meeting family in USA. (my brother William has his surveying instruments).

The Sarah White and 2 daughters listed in 1871 census as boarders were actually John's sister and nieces. Carmalla & John went on to have 2 daughters and 4 more sons once they arrived here. My grandfather was the youngest son in 1871 census, Ernest. I had long suspected Carmalla was illegitimate; caused a huge family scandle here in a more puritanical time.

You mentioned William had a daughter Carmalla, I had several cousins here also named Carmalla. William is a recurring name in our family as well over the generations.

Please be in touch. Kathy Fletcher

Carmela MORGAN, Bream/Newland, 1844 -> America (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:48:51 +0000

good :-) and here is a relative in the USA

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=41

Hello - I'm wondering if I would qualify for membership in your society. My great grandmother was Carmalla Morgan of Bream's. She was born in Bream's in 1844, sailed for the United States in August 1871.

By that time she had married my great-grandfather, John Fletcher of Woolaston, and was the mother of 3 sons, one of which was my grand father, Ernest Fletcher. I would be very interested in information on your society and would also be interested in hearing from someone from your area who would be interested in correspondence.

Good luck with your annual meeting, wish I could be there.

Carmela MORGAN, Bream/Newland, 1844 (reply)

nan\'s families — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:25:36 +0000

O I'm so pleased someone married. William also had son's Alfred and Ernest. I'm more convinced this is his family. Thanks.
Dorothy

Carmela MORGAN, Bream/Newland, 1844 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:48:42 +0000

Year: 1864
Month: Nov
Day: 12

Groom Surname: FLETCHER
Groom Forenames: John
Groom Age at Marriage: 26
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Carpenter
Groom Residence: Breams Woodside
Groom Father's Surname: Fletcher
Groom Father's Forenames: George
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Woodward

Bride Surname: MORGAN
Bride Forenames: Carmala
Bride Age at Marriage: 20
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Breams Woodside
Bride Father's Surname: [not stated]
Bride Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness 1: James[?] Jones
Witness 2: Eliza Jones
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Cornelius Witherby
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/8
Page No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1871
Carmella Fletcher abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Alfred Fletcher abt 1867 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Ernest Fletcher abt 1870 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

John P MORGAN, Bream 1859 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:23:25 +0000

Name: John Pritchard Morgan
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 30

Diana MORGAN, Bream/Newland, 1792 - 1862 (reply)

nan\'s families — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:13:49 +0000

Thanks Slowhands,
I was so hoping I wouldn't get something like this, as it's so difficult to go back any further.
Looking at the info you have provided, it seems daughter was following, mum's footsteps thro 3 generations having babes out of wedlock.
The more I look at it, the more likely it is the right family. I'm particularly focusing on Carmala, as my William had a daughter Carmela, and as it's an unusual name, it's more probable to be his family than not. I was so hoping it was the family Chris gave me.....much easier to continue search. Although William went to live in Monmouthshire, in between his being there 1851 and the family moving to Somerset 1861, he and his wife had a son born in Bream viz John Pritchard Morgan. The two prior to John and all other siblings after 1861 were born back in Monmouthshire as they moved back there sometime after 1861 census. I'm new to this site and have tried putting his name into the search but nothing is coming up.
Thanks very much for taking the time to reply. Its much appreciated.
Dorothy

William MORGAN, Awre/Blakeney, circa 1837 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:54:11 +0000

1871
Willina Morgan abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Castleford, Yorkshire
Sarah Morgan abt 1846 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Castleford, Yorkshire
Clara Morgan abt 1870 Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Castleford, Yorkshire
John H Morgan abt 1866 Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England Son Castleford, Yorkshire
George Good abt 1826 Ruerden, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Castleford, Yorkshire

then prior thread in error
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=524

so possibly

1851
John Morgan abt 1803 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Morgan abt 1845 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Morgan abt 1830 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1828 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1838 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 Old Furnace
John Morgan abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hannah Morgan abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Marie Morgan abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Moyer abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Rachel Moyer abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Sarah Moyer abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Moyer abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1838
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Parents Surname: MORGAN
Child Forenames: William
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Hannah
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Viney Hill
Occupation: Sawyer
Officiating Minister: T Morgan
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P50 IN1/1
Page No: 163
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney

William Morgan, Newland, circa 1827 (reply)

Jean Herbert — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:21:10 +0000

I too am searching for a William Morgan but a different one. This one was born abt 1839 and married Sarah Harper born abt 1851 (age depending on which census you are reading). Below is the marriage record from this site>

Record_ID: 7844 Entry Number: 161
Date: 21 Nov 1864
Groom : William MORGAN Of full age Bachelor Profession Laborer
Groom Residence: Flaxley
Groom Father: John Morgan Profession: Collier
Bride: Sarah HARPER Of full age Spinster
Bride Residence: Flaxley
Bride Father:Jonathan Harper Profession: Labourer
Licence or Banns: Banns
Signature or Mark: He marks she signs
Witness 1: Mark of Thomas Cole Witness 2: Mark of Ann Cole
Officiating Minister: Rob[er]t R Hurle Off[iciatin]g Min[ister]
Register Reference: P145 IN 1/11 Page No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

On the certificate it states that William's father is called John Morgan, a Collier. I have 1871/1881/1891/1901 census for William and his family but prior to his marriage I cannot find the 1841/1851/1961 records.
Can anyone tell me who Williams parents were and possibly grandparents?

Diana MORGAN, Bream/Newland, 1792 - 1862 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:26:24 +0000

Year: 1818
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Parents Surname: MORGAN
Child Forenames: Mary
Father's Forenames: See Memoranda
Mother's Forenames: Diana
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Forest of Dean
Occupation: See Memoranda
Officiating Minister: Hen. G. Poole Officiating Minister
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: Father's Name William is crossed out Trade Collier is crossed out
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page No: 25
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Looks like William's mother - his parents may not be married so father is a William ?

Year: 1792
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Parents Surname: MORGAN
Child Forenames: Diana
Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Forenames: Mary
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating Minister:
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: daughter of
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/1
Page No: 120
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1851
Dianna Morgan abt 1789 Newland , Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire Pauper Deaf
Mary Morgan abt 1821 Newland , Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire Shopkeeper Grocer
Carmala Morgan abt 1845 Newland D, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
Deanah Morgan abt 1792 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1825 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Carmela Morgan abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1862
Month: Jun
Day: 8
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Dinah
Place of Residence: Bream Woodside
Age at death: 70
Officiating Minister: Cornelius Witherby PC
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/17
Page No: 51
Parish_Chapel: Bream

I suspect this is CARMELLA mis recorded or transcribed

Year: 1844
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Parents Surname: MORGAN
Child Forenames: Pamella
Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Forenames: Mary
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Bream
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating Minister: H. G. Poole Minister
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page No: 75
Parish_Chapel: Bream

William MORGAN, Bream/Newland, circa 1827 (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:19:43 +0000

The census data tends to support Bream rather than Littledean

1841 Bream Woodside
Diana Morgan abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Morgan abt 1819 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
William Morgan abt 1827 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire

1861
William Morgan abt 1826 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Bedminster, Somerset
Eleanor Morgan abt 1832 Abeyavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Bedminster, Somerset
Abijah Morgan abt 1855 Blaenavon Son Bedminster, Somerset
John Morgan abt 1860 Bream Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Son Bedminster, Somerset
Rebecca Morganabt 1853 Blaenavon Daughter Bedminster, Somerset

1871
William Morgan abt 1827 Forest of Denn, Gloucestershire, England Head Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire
Eleanor Morgan abt 1833 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire
Abigah T Morgan abt 1855 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire
Carmela Morganabt 1858 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire
John P Morgan abt 1860 Forest Denn, Gloucestershire, England Son Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire
William Morgan abt 1866 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire
Zipporah Morgan abt 1869 Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire

1881
William Morgan abt 1827 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Llanover, Monmouthshire
Eleanor Morgan abt 1832 Abergavenny, Monmouth, Wales Wife Llanover, Monmouthshire
Alfred Jas. Morgan abt 1877 Blaenavon Son Llanover, Monmouthshire
Ernest Theophilis Morgan abt 1874 Blaenavon Son Llanover, Monmouthshire
John Morgan abt 1860 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Llanover, Monmouthshire
Tryphena Morgan abt 1872 Blaenavon, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Llanover, Monmouthshire
William Morgan abt 1866 Blaeavon, Monmouth, Wales Son Llanover, Monmouthshire
Zepporah Morgan abt 1869 Risca Daughter Llanover, Monmouthshire

1891
William Morgan abt 1827 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Llanover, Monmouthshire
Eleanor Morgan abt 1833 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llanover, Monmouthshire
Alfred Morgan abt 1877 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanover, Monmouthshire
Ernest Morgan abt 1874 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanover, Monmouthshire
Tryphena Morgan abt 1871 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llanover, Monmouthshire
William Morgan abt 1865 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llanover, Monmouthshire

Forest of Dean Maps (reply)

admin — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:01:40 +0000

Is Little Dean also close to these?

Here you will find a number of Forest of Dean Maps
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/the-forest-of-dean/maps-of-the-forest

William Morgan, Newland, circa 1827 (reply)

nan\'s families — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:55:04 +0000

Many thanks Chris. Being in Glamorgan, I'm not over familiar with Forest of Dean. My husband and I went on one of our 'Discovery' days out last year and visited Newland and Bream so I know they are not far from one another. Is Little Dean also close to these?
Dorothy

William Morgan, Newland, circa 1827 (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:32:33 +0000

A possible available to view on this site:

record_id 32116
Entry No 481
Year 1827
Month Sep
DAy 16
Parents Surname MORGAN
Child Forename William
Father's Forename William
Mother's Forename Susan
Place of Residence Little Dean
Occupation Coalminer
Officiating Minister J D Ostrehan Curate
Register Reference P110 in 1/5
Page 61
Parish/Chapel Little Dean

This looks like the marriage:

record_id 8643
Entry No 84
Year 1825
Month Jul
Day 28
Groom Surname MORGAN
Groom Forename William
Groom Residence Little Dean
Bride Surname SAYSELL
Bride Forename Susannah
Bride Residence Hund[re]d of St Briavels
Licence or Banns Banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Mark of James Morgan
Witness 2 A. Cooper
Officiating Minister Joseph Duncan Ostrehan Curate
Event Marriage
Register Reference P110 in 1/9
Page 28
Parish/Chapel Littledean

William MORGAN, Newland, circa 1825

nan\'s families — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:08:11 +0000

William moved to Monmouthshire and married Eleanor Pritchard in Abergavenny 1852. His age is given as 27. His father was also William Morgan. From 1851 census on he gives birth place, Newland, Glos/Forest of Dean, Glos/Bream, Glos. Looking for his baptism to try and find his mum.
thanks
Dorothy