Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Ellis Island and Castle Garden records

Ellis Island and Castle Garden records (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:09:52 +0000

Not confused :-)

just offering up some folk who may be related !

Ellis Island and Castle Garden records (reply)

maggiec — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:05:32 +0000

Iohn Green and Mary Ann Markey were, I think, married somewhere in North America. probably Pennsylvania, sometime towards the end of the 1860s. They may have got to know each other because they both had a connection with the Forest of Dean. I suppose that if you were setting off to the States you would try to go to a place where people you knew or whom your friends knew were already living.

Emily Green was born in 1872 in Pennsylvania but she returned to S.Wales with her parents sometime before 1874 when her sister Margaret Ann was born. Emily's daughter died only a few years ago but she didn't remember her mother talking about America,( she was ,after all, only a small child when she returned.) The family were the one living in Cefn, Trelewis, Gelligaer, in the 1881 census.

I think I must have misled you somehow because my Emily Green never returned to the USA.

Thanks again for all the information you've given me.

maggiec

Emily Jane GREEN 1868 Blaina (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:54:01 +0000

1841
Susannah Green abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Frampton Cotterel, Gloucestershire
Mark Green abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Frampton Cotterel, Gloucestershire
George Green abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Frampton Cotterel, Gloucestershire
John Green abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Frampton Cotterel, Gloucestershire
Mark Green abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Frampton Cotterel, Gloucestershire
Samuel Green abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Frampton Cotterel, Gloucestershire

1851
Susannah Green abt 1805 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, England Head Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
John Green abt 1837 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, England Son Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
Geo Green abt 1830 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, England Son Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
Sarah Green abt 1833 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, England Daughter-in-law Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire

1861

Name: Emily Jane Green
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 67

1871
John Green abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Martha Green abt 1831 Staverton, Wiltshire, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Abraham L Green abt 1866 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Emily J Green abt 1868 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
George Green abt 1862 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
John A Green abt 1864 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Samuel Green abt 1860 Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Green abt 1871 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Susannah Green abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Mother Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1881
John Green abt 1837 Frampton, Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire Coal Miner
Martha Green abt 1829 Staverton, Wiltshire, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Abraham Green abt 1866 Blaina, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Emily J. Green abt 1868 Blaina, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
George W. Green abt 1862 Blaina, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
John A. Green abt 1864 Blaina, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Green abt 1870 Blaina, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Ellis Island and Castle Garden records (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:11:02 +0000

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/search_new.asp?
1892
Emily Green aged 28 of Blaina, passed through Ellis Island, New York

http://www.castlegarden.org/

EMILY GREEN DRESSMAKER 28 F 4 Nov 1892
Ship - City of New York from Liverpool

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/search_new.asp?
and Emily J GREEN aged 23 of Blaina

http://www.castlegarden.org/
EMILY J. GREEN SERVANT, GENTLEMAN'S SERVANT 23 F 4 Nov 1892
Ship - City of New York from Liverpool

There are a few John GREEN candidates arriving around 1865 1868 as miners or labourers

Mary Ann MARKEY 1849 d/o Benjamin & Gwenellian (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:21:39 +0000

with her maternal grandparents Jenkin Thomas and his wife Mary in Aberdare.

Which probably explains the reference to Blaina in a later census !
1851
Mary Anne Mc Kay abt 1848 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Granddaughter Aberdare, Glamorgan

John GREEN Aston Ingham / May Hill 1823 (reply)

maggiec — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:46:59 +0000

Once again thank you for putting together all this information for me.

I find it very difficult to make myself remember whom i'm talking about with so many John Greens in this family!

I've used the Family Search site and have found some more possible John Greens, though I know this site needs careful checking.I really must go to Gloucester Record Office and/or Hereford Record Office some day soon.

You might be interested to know that John and Mary Ann's son John Benjamin kept a pub in Trelewis, Glam but had to give this up at the time of the Depression of the 1920s. He went down the pit to earn some money and was very badly injured within a few days of starting there.He had no children. So no more John Greens.

Thanks again

Margaret C

Mary Ann MARKEY 1849 d/o Benjamin & Gwenellian (reply)

maggiec — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:26:31 +0000

Dear slowhands

Thank you very much for going to so much trouble on my behalf. You've given me a lot of new information.

i've been in touch with someone who left a message on Ancestry.co register of interests and who is related to the Gwenllian Thomas who married Benjamin Markey. She tells that their daughter Mary Ann shows up on the 1851 Wales census as Mary Ann McKay living with her maternal grandparents Jenkin Thomas and his wife Mary in Aberdare. That still leaves no trace of her in 1861 or 1871.

This seems to have taken Mary Ann away from the Forest of Dean. I'm fairly sure that it is Benjamin's Mary Ann not Charles's who is my ggrandmother because four of Benjamin's children, Emily, Jennet, Rosetta and Benjamin have the same fairly unusual Christian names as in my grandmother's family.

Once again, thank you for your help.

Margaret C

MARKEY, Benjamin, born in Taynton in 1818 (reply)

maggiec — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:04:32 +0000

Dear John Rudge

Thank you very nuch for replying to my request for help.

I think that John Green and Mary Ann Markey must have married in N. America about 1870 because their eldest daughter Emily was born there in 1872 but they were back in S.Wales by the time their second child was born in 1874. I suppose they could have had previous children who died in America.

Mary Ann doesn't show up on the 1861 or 1871 census of England or Wales. John Green was living in Wales in 1861 but not in 1871.

I plan to look up again the Immigration records available on Ancestry.co.uk but i haven't yet found how to look up the censuses for the USA. A subscription to Ancestry.com seems expensive until I have more things to look up! I'll certainly remember your suggested possible variations on the name when I do so.

Many thanks again for your interest

Margaret C

John GREEN Aston Ingham / May Hill 1823 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:51:19 +0000

Year: 1823
Month: Apr
Day: 4
Parents Surname: GREEN
Child Forenames: John
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Esther
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: May Hill Aston Ingham
Occupation: Tailor
Officiating Minister: Chas Whatley
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: AR90/3
Page No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham

marriage ?
Name: Jane Gossege
Name: John Green
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 26
Page: 612

1851
John Green abt 1824 Astoningam, Hertfordshire, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jane Green abt 1824 Merthyr Cynog, Breconshire, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
John Green abt 1847 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Henry Green abt 1837 Astoning, Hertfordshire, England Brother Gelligaer, Glamorgan
John Goslage abt 1790 Back, Breconshire, Wales Lodger Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jno Harris abt 1834 Walton, Pembrokeshire, Wales Lodger Gelligaer, Glamorgan

1861
John Green abt 1823 Astoningane [ASTON INGHAM], Herefordshire, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jane Green abt 1824 Merthyr Cynog, Breconshire, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
John Green abt 1847 Merthyr-Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan

1871
John Green abt 1822 Herefordshire, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jane Green abt 1824 Breconshire, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
William H Edmunds abt 1871 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Boarder Gelligaer, Glamorgan

1881
John Green abt 1824 May Hill, Hereford, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jane Green abt 1825 Merthyr Cynon, Breconshire, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
William H. Green abt 1871 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Boarder Gelligaer, Glamorgan

1891
John Green abt 1823 Aston Ingham, Herefordshire, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jane Green abt 1824 Rhydymaen, Breconshire, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
William Edwards abt 1871 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Lodger Gelligaer, Glamorgan

1901
John Green abt 1823 Austmynton, Herefordshire, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
William H Edmunds abt 1871 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Adopted Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Sophia Edmunds abt 1873 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
John H Edmunds abt 1897 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Margaret J Edmunds 1898 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan

< John GREEN 1847>

1881
John Green abt 1847 Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Mary Ann Green abt 1848 Blaina, Monmouth, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Emily Green abt 1872 Pensylvania, North America Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jane Green abt 1878 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
John Benjamin Green abt 1876 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Margaret Ann Green abt 1874 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Rosetta Green abt 1880 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan

Name: Mary Ann Green
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 38
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 295

1891
John Green abt 1847 Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Jane Green abt 1878 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Janetta Green abt 1882 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
John B Green abt 1876 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Mary A Green abt 1874 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Rosetta Green abt 1880 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan

1901
John Green abt 1846 Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales Boarder Llanwonno, Glamorgan

Mary Ann MARKEY 1849 d/o Benjamin & Gwenellian (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:41:32 +0000

Name: Gwenllian Thomas
Name: Benjamin Markey
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 26
Page: 494

Year: 1849
Month: Jan
Day: 14
Parents Surname: MARKEY
Child Forenames: Mary Ann
Father's Forenames: Benjamin
Mother's Forenames: Guenlian [sic]
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Engineer
Officiating Minister: J. Davies
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Guenlian perhaps correctly Gwendoline
Register Reference: P1 IN 1/7
Page No: 63
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

1851
Benjamine Markey abt 1819 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Clifton, Gloucestershire
Gwenthim Markey abt 1825 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Clifton, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Markey abt 1849 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Clifton, Gloucestershire
Eliza Markey abt 1850 Clifton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Markey abt 1846 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire

1861
Benjamin Markey abt 1819 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Clifton, Gloucestershire
Geonttion Markey abt 1825 Aberdare, Gloucestershire, England Wife Clifton, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Markey abt 1849 Mitchal Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Clifton, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Markey abt 1846 Dowlais, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
Charles Markey abt 1858 Bristol Son Clifton, Gloucestershire
Eliza Markey abt 1851 Bristol Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
Emily Markey abt 1860 Bristol Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
Jenette Markey abt 1853 Bristol Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
Rosetta Markey abt 1856 Bristol Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire

1871
Guenlian Markey abt 1825 Wales Head Clifton, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Markey abt 1849 Mickheldgan, Gloucestershire, England Son Clifton, Gloucestershire
Cgarles Markey abt 1858 Bristol; Clifton Son Clifton, Gloucestershire
Eliza Markey abt 1851 Bristol; Clifton Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
Emily Markey abt 1860 Bristol; Clifton Daughter Clifton, Gloucestershire
George Markey abt 1863 Bristol; Clifton Son Clifton, Gloucestershire

Is this Mary Ann already dead by 1851 - so you can narrow your search ?

or was she brought up by her uncle Charles , but recorded as daughter ?

1851
Charles Markey abt 1820 Gloucestershire, England Head Aston Ingham, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Markey abt 1822 Aston, Herefordshire, England Wife Aston Ingham, Herefordshire
Edwin Markey abt 1850 Aston, Herefordshire, England Son Aston Ingham, Herefordshire
Chas Mackey abt 1846 Aston, Herefordshire, England Son Aston Ingham, Herefordshire
Mary Mackey abt 1848 Aston, Herefordshire, England Daughter Aston Ingham, Herefordshire

the family leave for America
Mary Ann marries has daughter Emily Green
and returns to John's family home in South Wales.

MARKEY, Benjamin, born in Taynton in 1818 (reply)

John Rudge — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:40:49 +0000

There are many Markley ( with an L ) families in Pennsylvania from the late 1700s up to present. During the 1800s to 1920 the census takers were known to spell the name Markly, Marklee, Markley and Markey you could try one of those spellings. Most in the Pennsylvania are were German decendents ( Penn Dutch ),might be easy to sort out English born.

MARKEY, Benjamin, born in Taynton in 1818

maggiec — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:16:53 +0000

Benjamin Markey was the first child of Joseph and Elizabeth Markey and was baptised in Taynton on 18 June 1818. His brother Charles was baptised in Taynton on 23 April 1820. My problem is that both brothers seem to have had a daughter named Mary Ann born about 1848 and I'm finding it very difficult to find which Mary Ann my ggrandfather John Green married.

One of the problems is that the marriage between Mary Ann Markey and John Green seems to have taken place in North America (my grandmother's eldest sister Emily was born in Pennsylvania, North America according to the 1881 census of Wales). There is no trace I can find in the UK marriage records of a marriage between a John Green and Mary Ann Markey. The 1881 Wales census states that Mary Ann was born in Blaina, Mon.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Margaret C.