Thank you all so much.

Judy

Judy

Thank you for that, he seemed to be a very talented musician and composer. It's a pity Dad didn't know him when he was alive, he must have been a very interesting person. He and his wife Brenda Cooper never had children, hence the letter Dad received from the Solicitor tracing living relations.

Judy

Incidentally Joseph PHILLIPS and Alfred "Enoch" PHILLIPS 1868-1940(one of his many siblings) were both ordained Baptist Ministers and at different times both preached at Cinderford Baptist Church.

Judy

http://www.animusi.co.uk/page15.htm

http://www.animusi.co.uk/USERIMAGES/img024.jpg

1911 Belle Vue Rd, Cinderford
Hubert Phillips 39 Ruardean
Florence M M Phillips 35 Cinderford
Edward Percy Phillips 15 Cinderford
Alexander B Phillips 9 Cinderford
Doris May Phillips 4 Cinderford

1901 Upper Bilson
Hilbert Phillips abt 1873 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florence M Phillips abt 1877 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward P Phillips abt 1896 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Welstead abt 1835 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Mother East Dean, Gloucestershire
Agnes E Vick abt 1872 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Edward Percy Phillips
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 234

and now the relationship to Hubert and Emma becomes clear

Year: 1881
Month: Oct
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: WILLSTEAD
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 58
Groom_Condition: Widower (Bac
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Willstead
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Cha[rle]s
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: PHILLIPS
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 47
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hook
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Tho[ma]s
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Edwin Cannock
Witness_2: Emily Cannock
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 163
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1881
Emma Phillips abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Head Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire
Joseph Phillips abt 1870 Gloucestershire, England Son Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire
Hubert Phillips abt 1872 Gloucestershire, England Son Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire

so I checked my records and found a letter that my father received in 1995 from a Solicitor who was tracing living relatives of Prof Charles Gordon PHILLIPS who died in 1991, in the letter it shows 4 generations of the PHLLIPS family (which was a good start for me)

Prof. (Charles) Gordon Phillips (1908-91) was born at Eton and educated privately,
continuing his studies at Nottingham University. He was assistant organist at St. John's,
Smith Square and subsequently organist and director of music at All Saints, Knightsbridge.
As organist of All Hallows-by-the-Tower in London he gave more than 3,200 lunchtime recital
and was also senior professor of organ and harpsichord at the London College of Music.

Name: Charles Gordon Phillips
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1908
Date of Registration: Oct 1991
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume: 12
Page: 1616

1911 11 Elm Tree Avenue W B Nottingham

Alfred Enoch Phillips 43 Ruarden Baptist Miniter
Martha Phillips 37 Paddington
Charles Gordon Phillips 2 Slough

1901
Alfred Enock Phillips abt 1868 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Wellingborough, Northamptonshire
Martha Phillips abt 1874 Paddington, London, England Wife Wellingborough, Northamptonshire

1891
Wm Willstead abt 1824 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Willstead abt 1835 Aston, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred E Phillips abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Phillips abt 1870 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Hubert Phillips abt 1872 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Phillips abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Emma Phillips abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Head Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire
Joseph Phillips abt 1870 Gloucestershire, England Son Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire
Hubert Phillips abt 1872 Gloucestershire, England Son Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire

Alfred Phillips abt 1867 Gloucestershire, England Scholar Bristol St Augustine, Gloucestershire

1871 Ruardean Hill
Henry Phillips 39 Wigpool
Emma Phillips 38 Gorseley
George Phillips 18 Drybrook
Elizabeth Phillips 16 Morse
Thos Phillips 15 Ruardean Hill
Mary Jane Phillips 13 Ruardean Hill
Rbeda Phillips 11 Little Hill
Ellen Phillips 9 Ruardean Hill
Enoch Phillips 3 Ruardean Hill
Joseph Phillips 1 Year, 3 Months Ruardean Hill

1861
Henry Philips abt 1831 Bailey, Herefordshire, England Head Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Emma Philips abt 1833 Lereshly, Herefordshire, England Wife Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
George Henry Philips abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Ann Philips abt 1854 Penle, Herefordshire, England Daughter Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Thomas William Philips abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Mary Jane Philips abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Philips abt 1860 Exherrshial, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham, Gloucestershire

Year: 1852
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: PHILIPPS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Drybrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Philipps
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: HOOK
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hook
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farm Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Signed
Witness_1: Henry Griffiths
Witness_2: Elizabeth Threfell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1851
Henry Phillips abt 1830 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 Wigpool / Lea Bailey
John Phillips abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Phillips abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henry Phillips abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Isabella Phillips abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ellin Phillips abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Yes it would be interesting to know how the name Beryl came about, maybe bad handwriting. I know some of the writing on census's is hard to make out.

It could be that Lena had family in London, and also as we think now that she originated in Bath, living in Berkshire she would be on the same railway line to go either way.
This information gives me more to get my teeth into! It would be nice to find out if I have family out there somewhere.

I remember the film Genevieve, I will have a look at the website, it'll give me a break from the family tree.

Judy

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Judy,
thanks so much for adding to the thread re Lena, especially wrt the Burgh name, sorry for my asking so many questions it's not just down to my noseyness honest !. Last night I started searching FreeBMD on the assumption that Burgh was perhaps a surname she'd "gained" from a previous marriage, but my searches were without much success. I knew it was a surname as near us in West Drayton Middlesex is the De Burgh Arms pub immediately next to the old GWR mainline station, apparently it was an important family name locally. #

HOWEVER as per my earlier post the GlosBMD site have her name at marriage as "Beryl" !?; I therefore concluded that "Burgh" was a redherring due to an Ancestry transcription error, apologies for my mistake.
It would perhaps be good to know where GlosBMD got "Beryl" from.

During my searches of FreeBMD I found many mentions of the Newman name in the London area, which is along the GWR railway route from the Forest thro' Berkshire, which nowadays is commuter country down the socalled Thames Valley Corridor from London.
Perhaps this London "link" maybe why Lena lived in Berkshire ? Maybe she had links with Eton School, just across the Thames from Windsor. All speculation of course, altho this seems more likely than Stroud, perhaps.

Am I right in recalling the Ancestry searchpages suggested that Edward has military links ?, if so were these in Berkshire ??

# Re the De Burgh Arms pub, if like me you have a love of British comedy films not to mention all things 1950s then you may know the film "Genevieve" about the London - Brighton veteran car run. This website gives an interesting background to the making of the film, virtually all done not far from here ie Pinewood Studios. If you track down this site it shows photos of the pub as featured in the film.
http://www.donbrockway.com/Filming%20Locations.htm

Thank you for all your help and suggestions. I will certainly start the search through the newspapers tomorrow, not sure when I can travel to Cinderford again, but hopefully in the near future.

Again, thanks and keep up the good work.

Judy

PS And yes I will certainly let you know when (not if) I find Edward Percy!

Thank you for that information. I was wondering if that was Lena that died in Berkshire and now as you point out that possibly her son married in Berkshire it now looks certain that it is her.

Thanks again

Judy

This is the Death Record for Lena:

Name: Marjorie Adelena B Phillips
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909
Date of Registration: Jun 1984
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Reading and Wokingham
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19

If it is her I don't know why she ended up in Berkshire.

This is possibly "right" for a Timothy born 1933

Name: Timothy Phillips
Mother's Maiden Surname: Newman
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Registration district: Westbury S
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 357

Marriage
Name: Timothy Phillips
Spouse :Vera J Roser
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958
Registration district: Windsor
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 383

(omit any details of possible children etc however there is a Mark Blakeney Phillips to consider. Further details sent off line)

In 1984 Phillips T is living at
164 Finchampstead Road, Wokingham RG41 2NX

In 2002 Vera J is living Wokingham , RG41

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Name: Vera J Roser
Mother's Maiden Surname: Spiers
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1932
Registration district: Chertsey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 152

The other local newspaper over much the same timescale is the daily Citizen based in Gloster, it is archived in the aforementioned BNA website.
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/contact.html

I'm confident a search of the Mercury archive at Cinderford Library will be productive for you, especially as you have a good idea of the issue dates you're after. I suggest you try and visit the Library during a weekday if possible, it's so much busier on a Saturday morning, especially if you want to browse their good selection of local history books(see their website catalogue). I think the Library prefer advance booking to use the microfiche readers, especially Saturdays. If you prefer to see the original newspapers themselves, the Forester office do accept visitors (early in the week, please) but note the papers are large broadsheets bound in heavy leather covers, so handling and especially photocopying is awkward and space is limited. Please contact them in advance first via this email which goes to my sister Sally Coleman or her colleague, adverts AT theforester.co.uk

Wishing you all the best with your search, please revisit the thread to update us if you can, thanks.
Jeff.

I have the 1911 census that states a Marjorie Adalina Newman in Bath, Somerset, I'm not sure whether it is her but I also have this birth record, so maybe it is.

Name: Marjorie Adelin? B Newman
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 458

I couldn't remember where I got the name BURGH from (Adalena Marjorie BURGH Newman) so I checked my records and found a letter that my father received in 1995 from a Solicitor who was tracing living relatives of Prof Charles Gordon PHILLIPS who died in 1991, in the letter it shows 4 generations of the PHLLIPS family (which was a good start for me)and states "Edward Percy PHILLIPS who was born 14th September 1895, who married firstly Florence Alice May ROBINS in 1914, secondly Adalena Marjorie Burgh NEWMAN in 1930 and who died in 1942". Until then Dad had no knowledge of his cousin. So that's where the Burgh comes in.

I know that one of Percy and Lena's sons who visited Dad years ago lived in Wales at the time. Now you know as much as I do about Lena, not a lot I know.

This is the Death Record for Lena:

Name: Marjorie Adelena B Phillips
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909
Date of Registration: Jun 1984
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Reading and Wokingham
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19

If it is her I don't know why she ended up in Berkshire. Unless she remarried but then her Surname would be different.

As for Stroud, I just don't know.

I will start on newspaper archives tomorrow and start with Cinderford Library.

It seems that Edward "Percy" is as elusive in death as he was in life.

Judy

Page: 378

Thanks for that, I have touched briefly into old newspapers, but having looked at the website that you recommended it looks like the best bet is contacting Cinderford Library as it mentioned several local papers. I can remember Dad speaking about the Mercury years ago so maybe start there. I will make start with the library tomorrow.
Thanks once again.

Judy

Another possible course would be the British Newspaper Archive site, see this thread, altho this Burial may be too recent to be covered by their archives.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=36879

I have both of these i.e. Death Announcement/and after the funeral took place of my Grannie who died in 1949 in Swindon, Wiltshire which lists Mourners (some from Blakeney), which has been very useful for family grouping.

Back numbers of Newspapers are sometimes held in the local Reference Library/Record Offices etc.

Gloucestershire Newspapers - Guide from the Gloucestershire Records Office -

http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=24402&p=0