Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Richard SMITH Berry Hill in 1861

Richard SMITH Berry Hill in 1861 (reply)

vcatkinson — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:09:34 +0000

Richard is the grandson of my 4x gt grandfather Edward Smith bap 17.6.1753 Newland, I have the line as this (if in brackets its not yet proved)

(John & Sarah Jones marr 2.2.1725 Newland) OR (John & Sarah Ellway marr 1.4.1725 Newland)
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James c1726 marr Susan/Susanna
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Edward bapt 17.6.1753 Newland Marr Mary Elly 17.2.1776 Newland lived Berry Hill & James 1760
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Richard bap 14.7.1793 marr Susan - they have a confusing M.I. at Christchurch & John (my 3x) 1779 Edward 1782 Mary 1788 Thomas 1790
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Edward marr Amelia Gwilliam 1837& 1819 Richard 1822 Eliza 1825 Amos 1827 H/Elms 1830 George 1832 Benjamin 1835 Isabella 1837

I have also done the Elly and Ellway lines.

My grandfather Thomas David Smith 1886-1967 was born the youngest of at least 10 in Yorkley of Levi (known as 'Billy Playfair') and Sarah (Davis) Smith, all his brothers died quite young - this seems to be a trend in this family - and 2 of his sisters lived to over 100.

Grandfather's brothers played rugby, one was known as the 'formidable' Albert Smith and Arthur was called the greatest forward in England (see 'Forest Rugby Review'). His brother Timothy was a Police Detective in Long Island New York and died in tragic circumstances. One of the family was reputed to have gone to Newfoundland but I cannot verify that yet.

Two of his Uncles, Timothy and Amos, each kept shops, Timothy in Coleford and Amos in Coalway Lane End. Another Uncle (Levi) kept the Stag Inn for a short while before he died aged 33 in 1903.

Vicki

Edward SMITH Berry Hill m Amelia GWILLIAM Berry Hill (reply)

joyford — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:53:21 +0000

Thank you to slowhands for forwarding information. I've now accessed parish records and found so much information. This is a fantastic service for people with Forest of Dean ancestors.
Regards
Joyford

Edward (Edmund) SMITH Shortstanding 1819 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:07:46 +0000

Year: 1819
Month: Dec
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Edmund
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Susan
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: P.M. Procter
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1841
Richard Smith abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Susannah Smith abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amos Smith abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Benjamen Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Edward Smith abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eisabellas Smith abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elms Smith abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Richard Smith abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Amelia GWILLIAM Berry Hill 1826 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:05:46 +0000

Year: 1826
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: GWILLIAM
Child_Forenames: Amelia
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 46
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1841
Hannah Gwilliam abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amelia Gwilliam abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Catharine Gwilliam abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Edwin Gwilliam abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Harriet Gwilliam abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Gwilliam abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Milson Gwilliam abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

probably father

Year: 1792
Month: Nov
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: GWILLIAM
Grooms_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Age: [not stated
Groom_Condition: [not stated
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated
Brides_Surname: DELANY
Brides_Forenames: Catherine
Brides_Age: [not stated
Brides_Condition: [not stated
Brides_Occupation: [not stated
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 1792 Oct [sic]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of John Gwilliam
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Gwilliam
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: D.P.Davis
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Banns are on page 87
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 59
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1793
Month: Sep
Day: 0
Parents_Surname: GWILLYM
Child_Forenames: Benjamin
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Catherine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 in 1/3
Page_Number: 40
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1840
Month: Jan
Day: 15
Surname: GWILLIAM
Forenames: Benjamin
Residence: Christ Church
Age_at_death: 47
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_No: 43
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Edward SMITH Berry Hill m Amelia GWILLIAM Berry Hill (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:01:06 +0000

Year: 1843
Month: Oct
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Edward
Grooms_Age: Of F
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: GWILLIAM
Brides_Forenames: Amelia
Brides_Age: Of F
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Gwilliam
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Hulin-P Clerk
Witness_2: Emma Hulin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J J Barlow
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 81
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

1851
Edward Smith abt 1820 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amealia Smith abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Bejamin SMITH Joyford 1876 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:59:32 +0000

Year: 1876
Month: Mar
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Benjamin
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Ruth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Joyford
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W.H. Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 76
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Richard SMITH Berry Hill in 1861 (reply)

joyford — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:55:42 +0000

Edward Smith & Amelia Gwilliam's son, Benjamin b1851, is my 2xgreatgrandfather. Benjamin married Ruth Brown in 1875. In 1876 their son Benjamin was born in Joyford (that was how he described his birthplace on his marriage cert). Ruth already had a son Frank when she married. In 1899 Frank & Benjamin emigrated to Australia and a younger brother Amos joined them a few years later.`

I would like to learn more about the Smith & Gwilliam families.

Glynda

Richard SMITH Berry Hill in 1861 (reply)

vcatkinson — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:37:23 +0000

Yes! One of 'my' Smiths quoted herself as Widow on 1851 but husband was back in later census'! I have searched for her marrying someone of the same name and age but no go, we can only assume they had a falling out!
Vicki

Richard SMITH Berry Hill in 1861 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:23:51 +0000

it would not be fun unless these confusions crept in from time to time :-)

i.e. someone who moves from son - grandson and back to son over 3 censuses !

Richard SMITH Berry Hill in 1861 (reply)

vcatkinson — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:19:11 +0000

Sorry, maybe I was getting confused with all those lists! Yes Richard 1822 Married his cousin Mary Smith in 1852, he was the son of Richard 1793 whose father Edward is my 4xgt grandfather.

I cannot find his first marriage though.

Hannah is the daughter of Richard's brother EDWARD who married AMELIA GWILLIAM 1843 and Hannah was bapt 1857. She is not with Richard and Mary 1881 but next door with her mother who had remarried to GEORGE WILLIAMS hence the stepdaughter relationship!
Vicki

Richard SMITH Berry Hill in 1861 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:14:54 +0000

I think you will find that Richard's (1822) parents Richard & Susan are the ones at Bridewell; and son George - brother to Richard 1822

Year: 1832
Month: Aug
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Susan
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8212
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1861 Berry Hill / Bridewell
Richard Smith abt 1795 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan Smith abt 1794 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Richard SMITH 1822 Berry Hill (reply)

vcatkinson — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:44:52 +0000

I am late on this but the Richard Smith 1822 that was quoted in the thread in 1841 and 1851 is not the 1861 Richard as he and Susan are on the 1861 Berry Hill Bridewell with Eliza 35 and George 28.
Vicki Atkinson

Richard SMITH 1822 Berry Hill (reply)

Sylvia Morgan — Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:13:14 +0000

Thank you , once again for finding this very interesting info, especially the adopted daughter bit. I think I have an entry for a Henry JONES with a sister Hannah which I`ll follow up thanks again Sylvia

Richard SMITH 1822 Berry Hill / Shortstanding (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:30:43 +0000

This has to be a candidate , esp. step dau in 1881

In 1891
Next door to Globe Inn , Five Acres is

Richard Smith
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouses's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where Born: Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Occupation Retired Collier
Civil parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Five Acres
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

1881
Richard Smith abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1824 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Fanny Smith abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah [Smith] abt 1857 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Step Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1871
Richard Smith abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1824 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Fanny Smith abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1861
Richard Smith abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Smith abt 1824 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

Year: 1852
Month: Aug
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: West Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: West Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Thomas Teague
Witness_2: Mark of Eliza Smith
Other_Witnesses: None
Officiating_Minister: W. H. Taylor Incumbent
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Notes: -
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1851Berry Hill
Richard Smith abt 1794 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan Smith abt 1817 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amos Smith abt 1828 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Benjiman Smith abt 1835 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smithabt 1826 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elms Smith abt 1831 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1833 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Smith abt 1822 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire Widower

1841
Richard Smith abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Susannah Smith abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Amos Smith abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Benjamen Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Edward Smith abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eisabellas Smith abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elms Smith abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Richard Smith abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Year: 1822
Month: Jan
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Richard
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Susan
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: R. Jefferies
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Richard SMITH

Sylvia Morgan — Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:06:43 +0000

Does anyone research a Richard SMITH coal miner or woodcutter ? My 2xgrt grandfather named Richard on his marriage certificate (to Hannah GUNDY 1889) as "father"
Sylvia