Forest of Dean FHT Forum - researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins (reply)

steval — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:22:08 +0000

Thank you probinson for all that info. It has been most helpful and very kind of you.
Best wishes Valerie.

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins (reply)

probinson — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:41:46 +0000

Hi Valerie,

Several other bits of information have turned up as a result of finding the passenger records.

Laura did travel back and forth to Argentina several more times after William's death. I don't have all the records but I have the following for her:

Departure - 10 May 1906 • Liverpool, England
Departure - 26 Mar 1908 • Liverpool, England
Arrival - 7 Feb 1914 • Southampton, England
Departure - 8 Jul 1919 • London, England
Arrival - 4 Aug 1923 • Liverpool, England
Arrival - 21 Nov 1926 • Southampton, England
Departure - 4 Mar 1927 • Southampton, England
Arrival - 2 Feb 1932 • Southampton, England
Departure - 24 Sep 1932 • Southampton, England
Arrival - 9 Feb 1937 • Southampton, England

The 1908 departure shows her travelling with William and John Robinson (single) and Rosa Robinson (under 12 years).
The 1914 arrival shows her travelling with Rosa Robinson aged 19 which would put her birth as 1895 - before Laura and William were married so maybe both children are from William's first marriage (though the name Rosa suggests otherwise).
Several of the records of Laura travelling after William's death show her UK address as 29 Gwern Berthi Road, Abertillery. The 1939 register shows an Agnes E Wilse living at that address with William J Wilse so looks like Laura was living with her sister Agnes (note several variations of the spelling of the road name exist).

Hope that helps.

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:51:52 +0000

Thank you for taking the time to look this up for me. I certainly did not have the shipping info. from London to Argentina....I will have to subscribe to Ancestry again and look at that but I do have the rest.
Valerie

Valerie, if you're in the UK then free access to Ancestry is available in most public librairies. It doesn't have all the features of the home editions, but I believe it does include Immigration records. Furthermore I've found the LDS aka FamilySearch site has many shipping records to America including original images, plus some records for South America, and all are free to access so FamilySearch may be worth trying.

Good luck, J

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins (reply)

probinson — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 07:14:41 +0000

I found the Argentine connection through the fact William's Father died there.

I also found some other possible records of Laura continuing to travel there after William's death but I couldn't confirm it was actually her and not another Laura Robinson.

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins (reply)

steval — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 03:27:08 +0000

Thank you for taking the time to look this up for me. I certainly did not have the shipping info. from London to Argentina....I will have to subscribe to Ancestry again and look at that but I do have the rest. Yes William and Laura used to go out to Buenos Aires on regular trips as William's mother Emily and father William Robinson emigrated there in April 1889 on the German steamer Graf Bismark. Emily's husband William died after a few years living there. My Grandfather John Shaw was born there in 1892 to Adelaide Robinson and John James Shaw.
Incidentally how did you know of the connection to Argentina.

Many thanks for you input,
Kind regards
Valerie

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins (reply)

probinson — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:07:58 +0000

Hi Valerie

I've followed up on this a bit more even though there seems to be no connection to my tree. The one thing I found that maybe of interest is two records of Laura and William travelling to Argentina. I know they had connections there. The dates I have are 26 Mar 1908 from Liverpool and 8 Jul 1919 from London. The 1908 one appears to show them traveling with two other Robinsons. From their ages, one might be a daughter of Laura and William the other might be a son from William's earlier marriage.

You can find some details on my Ancestry tree at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/109839494/family (assuming you use Ancestry which I thought you do as I think I found your tree).

Rose Attwood & nieces Agnes & Laura ROBBINS, Monmouth. (reply)

steval — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 00:49:08 +0000

Thank you Jeff for that info.
I did have some but not all that you have replied to me with. The purpose of my post was to gain more info. and to maybe flush out someone else that is researching this family.
Hopefully to get in touch with some of the descendants and hopefully they may have photos that they would be able to share with me.
Once again thank you, this is such a wonderful site.
Cheers
Valerie.

Rose Attwood & nieces Agnes & Laura ROBBINS, Monmouth. (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:24:46 +0000

Hi Valerie,
do you have any particular aspects you're hoping to learn about ?.
I ask as it's a shame if people spend time telling you things you already know, yet miss-out what you don't know.

Having said that, I'll start with what you probably already know, as it may help prompt other replies;

From this FoD site's PRs;

Record_ID: 229237
Entry_Number: 392
Year: 1885
Month: Aug
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: ROBBINS
Child_Forenames: Laura
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Agnes
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Caldicot Monmouthshire
Occupation: Tinplate Worker
Officiating_Minister: Charles Dening
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Baptised at Caldicot Chapel
Notes:
Register_Reference: 3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth Bible Christian
Soundex: R152

Using "advanced search" for more Baptisms to these parents;

Record_ID 229189
Entry_Number 236
Year 1883
Month Oct
Day 31
Parents_Surname ROBINS
Child_Forenames Rhoda
Fathers_Forenames George
Mothers_Forenames Agnes
Mothers_Surname
Residence Caldicot Monmouthshire
Occupation Tin plate Worker
Officiating_Minister Charles Dening
Event Baptism
Memoranda Baptised at Caldicot Chapel
Notes
Register_Reference 3
Page_Number
Parish_Chapel Monmouth Bible Christian
Soundex R152

Record_ID 45534
Entry_Number 2016
Year 1869
Month Jun
Day 30
Parents_Surname ROBBINS
Child_Forenames George
Fathers_Forenames George
Mothers_Forenames Agnes
Mothers_Surname
Residence Redbrook
Occupation Tinner
Officiating_Minister Hugh T Cropper
Event Baptism
Memoranda Privately
Notes memo in name of child column
Register_Reference P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number 252
Parish_Chapel Newland
Soundex R152

Record_ID 45561
Entry_Number 2043
Year 1870
Month Jul
Day 24
Parents_Surname ROBINS
Child_Forenames James
Fathers_Forenames George
Mothers_Forenames Agnes
Mothers_Surname
Residence Redbrook
Occupation Tinman
Officiating_Minister Chas J Clarke
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register_Reference P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number 256
Parish_Chapel Newland
Soundex R152

Record_ID: 14896
Entry_Number: 187
Year: 1869
Month: May
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: ROBBINS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tinman
Grooms_Residence: Parkend
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Robbins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: HALFORD
Brides_Forenames: Agnes
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Halford
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Richard Robbins
Witness_2: Henry Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: age of bride changed and initialled by JJE
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 94
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: R152
Soundex_Bride: H416

Record_ID: 38318
Entry_Number: 352
Year: 1848
Month: May
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: HALFORD
Child_Forenames: Agnes
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Factory Cottages
Occupation: Blacksmith
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: H416

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from FreeBMD;
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
Robins Laura Annie Monmouth 11a 19

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Robbins Laura Annie Monmouth 11a 75
Robinson William Edwin Monmouth 11a 75

And ditto for "our" Agnes (wrt later findings);
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
Robbins Agnes Emily Monmouth 11a 26

Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
Barnard Albert Edward Monmouth 11a 72
Robins Agnes Emily Monmouth 11a 72

GlosBMD is still part-broken so does not give locality & date, but it's possible that these Rob(b)ins/Attwood births MAY all be siblings.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Register Entry
ROBBINS Agnes ATTWOOD 22 303
ROBBINS Agnes Emily ATTWOOD 23 304
ROBBINS Ellen Louisa ATTWOOD 19 371
ROBBINS Emily Ann ATTWOOD 18 215
ROBBINS Rosa Annie ATTWOOD 36 497
ROBBINS William Frederick ATTWOOD 41 104
ROBINS Alfred ATTWOOD 15 375
ROBINS Clara ATTWOOD 30 286
ROBINS George David ATTWOOD 27 231
ROBINS Laura Annie ATTWOOD 38 289
ROBINS Milson Jehu ATTWOOD 34 112
ROBINS Samuel Cecil John ATTWOOD 2 80

This list needs more work, eg maybe their marriages etc are within this FoD site's PRs ?
Also FreeBMD can easily confirm the dates and localities of the above records, and Marriages etc, such a shame the GlosBMD site is still underperforming.

eg, FreeBMD confirms what seemed likely on seeing the two "Agnes" birth records

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
Robbins Agnes Monmouth 11a 29

Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
Robbins Agnes Monmouth 11a 28

Deaths Dec 1866 (>99%)
ROBINS Agnes 0 Monmouth 11a 14

Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
Robbins Agnes Emily Monmouth 11a 26

Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
Robins Agnes Emily Monmouth 11a 72

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
Robins Agnes Emily Monmouth 11a 43

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
ROBINS Agnes E Pritchard Monmouth 11a 73
PRITCHARD Sydney Robins Monmouth 11a 73

NB: Unlike with GlosBMD site, must search FreeBMD site separately for "Robins" and then "Robbins"
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins (reply)

probinson — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:13:59 +0000

I had a quick look at this because, as a Robinson, I wondered if there was a connection to my tree but I've not found one. However, I don't think they lived at 68 Gloucester Road as the '68' on the census is the schedule number, not the street address. Just along the road was the Lamb Inn which was number 12 and that's shown as number 56 on the schedule.

researching Rose Attwood and nieces Agnes and Laura Robins

steval — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:50:10 +0000

Hi List,
I am researching Rose Attwood and her nieces Agnes and Laura Robins who in 1891 were living at number 68 Gloucester Road, Coleford.
Especially interested in Laura who later married William Robinson in 1900 and in 1905 I know she was living at number 5 Gloucester Road, Coleford.
Anyone researching the Robins family or any other info. would be appreciated.
Cheers Valerie