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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike - many thanks for this.</p>
<p>After their first two children Alfred Thomas and Archibald are born, Jane ROBERTS and Thomas WORKMAN move to Abercarn in Wales and go on to have many more children but I can't find any baptism records for any of the children, either those born in Gloucestershire or Wales until one child, Martha Jane WORKMAN (b1889), is baptised in 1902 in Drybrook Church (record on this site). Interestingly, Jane's surname is given in this baptism record - on the original this is clearly Jane Roberts, not Jane Roberta as transcribed, so I wonder if in fact the parents may not have ever married as it seems unusual for her surname to be quoted at baptism - it doesn't happen for others on the pages. Interestingly, Martha was not living at home in 1901 but with her aunt and uncle at Harry Hill, not with her parents, who remained in Wales. She marries Milson WALL in 1914.</p>
<p>My next step, I think, will be to order some of the GRO birth certificates for the children and see if the marital situation becomes clearer. Thanks for your help!</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Juliette</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread appears to connect: <a href="http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=9861">http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=9861</a></p>
<p>As you say Thomas is with his parents at the time of the 1881 Census but no sign of Harriet and the above thread suggests Thomas may have remarried as the 1891 Census gives his wife as Jane. There are 2 children born in Gloucestershire and these are the entries from GLOS BMD index:<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry  <br />
WORKMAN Alfred Thomas WORKMAN WORKMAN ROBERTS 1882 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 48 466 <br />
WORKMAN Archibald WORKMAN WORKMAN ROBERTS 1883 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 50 204 </p>
<p>This tells us that the mother is Jane ROBERTS but I am unable to find a marriage between Thomas Workman and Jane so I can only conclude that Thomas and Harriet went their separate ways or possibly Harriet went into a Lunatic Asylum or similar. At the time of the 1881 Census patients in Gloucester Asylum are listed with their initials only but I have not been able to find a suitable entry with the initials H.W. or H.F.</p>
<p>Finally Harriet can be found in the 1871 Census in the Parish of St Luke, Gloucester as follows:<br />
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country<br />
177 G Battagel Head 32 1839 Male Sabiomcells in Austria  <br />
177 C Battagel Wife 19 1852 Female  Gloucestershire England<br />
177 H Fisher Servant 19 1852 Female Ledbrook, Parish of Beeding</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Harriett FISHER, daughter of Flower FISHER marries a Thomas WORKMAN b1852 (son of Thomas WORKMAN, shoemaker) at St Luke's Church, Dec 28th 1875. [Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938].</p>
<p>However, I can't find a trace of her from 1875-1881 (including her death), although I believe I may have found Thomas living back at home with his parents in 1881, aged 29, on the High Street in Cinderford, listed as Married.</p>
<p>Best wishes, Juliette</p>
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<title>Maria JORDAN  1833 Lydbrook ( wife of Flower) (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1841 Forgehill, Lydbrook<br />
JORDAN transcribed as Gordan [!]<br />
 Richard Gordan abt 1789  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire  Tinplate ?<br />
Harriett Gordan abt 1828  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
John Gordan abt 1830  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
Maria Gordan abt 1833  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
Mary Gordan abt 1820  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Sarah Gordan abt 1823  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Wm Gordan abt 1830  Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest  Gloucestershire</p>
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1851 Lydbrook Hill Dole Cottage<br />
Richd Jordan  abt 1788  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head  East Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
John Jordan  abt 1825  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son  East Dean  Gloucestershire <br />
Sarah Jordan  abt 1823  East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  East Dean  Gloucestershire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1841 Lydbrook <br />
 Thomas Fisher abt 1811  Gloucestershire, England Ruardean  Gloucestershire Forgeman  <br />
 Elleanor Fisher abt 1806  Gloucestershire, England Ruardean  Gloucestershire   <br />
Amelia Fisher abt 1839  Gloucestershire, England Ruardean  Gloucestershire <br />
 Flower Fisher abt 1833  Gloucestershire, England Ruardean  Gloucestershire <br />
 George Fisher abt 1826  Gloucestershire, England Ruardean  Gloucestershire <br />
Thomas Fisher abt 1828    Ruardean  Gloucestershire <br />
 William Fisher abt 1836  Gloucestershire, England Ruardean  Gloucestershire </p>
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Year 1850 <br />
Month Dec <br />
Day 28 <br />
Groom Surname FISHER <br />
Groom Forename(s) Flower <br />
Groom Age at Marriage of f <br />
Groom condition Bachelor <br />
Groom Rank or Profession Fireman <br />
Groom Residence Lydbrook <br />
Groom Father's Surname Fisher <br />
Groom Father's Forename(s) Thomas <br />
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Fireman <br />
Bride Surname JORDAN <br />
Bride Forename(s) Maria <br />
Bride Age at Marriage of f <br />
Bride Condition Spinster <br />
Bride Rank or Profession none stated <br />
Bride Residence Lydbrook <br />
Bride Father's Surname Jordan <br />
Bide Father's Forename(s) Richard <br />
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Fireman <br />
Licence or Banns Banns <br />
Date of banns  <br />
Signature or Mark Both mark <br />
Witness 1 Mark of Mary Ann Grice <br />
Witness 2 C Stockham <br />
Other witnesses  <br />
Officiating Minister C W Grove, Curate </p>
<p>1851 Lydbrook<br />
Flower Fisher 20 Fireman  Ruardean<br />
Maria Fisher 19  East Dean<br />
William Fisher 17<br />
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 Name: Harriet Fisher <br />
Year of Registration: 1852  <br />
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep  <br />
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)  <br />
County: Gloucestershire  <br />
Volume: 11a  <br />
Page: 20 </p>
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1861 Lydbrook<br />
Flower Fisher 29  Forgeman<br />
Marriah Fisher 28 <br />
Harriot Fisher 9   <br />
Mary Ann Fisher 6  <br />
Thomas Fisher 1  </p>
<p>1871 Cinderford<br />
Flower Fisher 40  Hammerman at Iron works<br />
Maria Fisher 39  <br />
Louisa Fisher 3  <br />
Mary Ann Fisher 16  <br />
Thomas Fisher 12  <br />
Ellen Fisher 9  </p>
<p>1881 Station St Cinderford<br />
Flower Fisher 49  Wire worker<br />
Maria Fisher 48  <br />
Ellen Fisher 19  <br />
Louise Fisher 13 </p>
<p>Harriet 1852-ish appears to marry Joseph Mountjoy Sinderey</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=61">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=61</a></p>
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