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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a lot to get stuck in to. When we are home we will spend some time pursuing these links. Thanks for your time.<br />
Regards<br />
Chris</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jeff. Tons of info to pore through there. We thought Theophilus was James' son so need to recheck now. Much appreciate your time and effort replying.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the Advance Search and just putting in CON in the surname - parents: John &amp; Mary</p>
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1715 : CONSTANT John  (John &amp; Mary) Tibberton<br />
1724 : CONSTANT John (John, labourer &amp; Mary ) Newent<br />
1726:<strong> CONSTANT alias COWSTANT</strong> Elizabeth (John labourer &amp; Mary) Newent</p>
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1754 : CONSTANT Thomas (John &amp; Mary) Tibberton<br />
1755: CONSTANT John (John &amp; Mary) Tibberton<br />
1758: CONSTANT William (John &amp; Mary) Tibberton<br />
1760: CONSTANT Theophilus (John &amp; Mary) Tibberton<br />
1762 : CONSTANT Joseph (John &amp; Mary) Tibberton<br />
1765: CONSTANCE Dihana (John &amp; Mary) Longhope<br />
1770: CONSTANCE George (John &amp; Mary Longhope</p>
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<p>Use the Marriage Allegations records etc</p>
<p>John CONSTANT aged 26, Batchelor, married Mary BROWN, Widow at Tibberton 14 April 1711</p>
<p>and then</p>
<p>John CONSTANCE - Widower, of Longhope, married Mary ANDREWS aged 24, Spinster, by Licence : 5 February 1753</p>
<p><strong>To marry at St Michael</strong></p>
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<p>Ancestry:</p>
<p>Marriage at Gloucester St Michael: 5 February 1753</p>
<p>John CONSTANCE &amp; Mary ANDREWS of Longhope</p>
<p>---</p>
<p>The Will of Thomas CONSTANCE, <strong>Carpenter Of Longhope </strong>+ Inventory in 1741</p>
<p>mentions his wife Mary and 3 children, John/Elinor/Joan</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coaley.net">www.coaley.net</a></p>
<p>Just by putting COW in the surname search shows up many variations</p>
<p>COWSTANCE<br />
COWLSTANCE<br />
COWLSTON<br />
COWLSTONE</p>
<p>etc</p>
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<p>Checking on the National Archives for James CONSTANCE Longhope</p>
<p>Gloucestershire Archives - holds many records (76 files)</p>
<p>Documents deposited by James CONSTABLE and Sons Ltd, saw mills and turnery works, LONGHOPE GL17 OLB</p>
<p><strong>Administrative/biographical background :</strong></p>
<p>The business is reputed to have been started by James CONSTANCE in a room of a house in Longhope, with the manufacture of carrels and coffins c.1720.</p>
<p>A frames' son Theophilus established proper in 1788, naming it after his father.  The coming of the railway enabled the business to expand.  From producing handles for agricultural implements locally, they began to provide every type of handle for the manufacturing trade in Sheffield and the business went from strength to strength.</p>
<p>It has been in the hands of the ALLAN family since c 1935 and it is still a going concern today involved, as a woodland owner, in coppicing; the old buildings form an industrial estate which the company lets as business units.  (Information supplied by Mr C John ALLAN).</p>
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<p>Theophilus CONSTANCE c1760 death: 1847 (Will on Ancestry)</p>
<p>Mentions, his wife Mary, Nephew: John CONSTANCE, Longhope, Boot &amp; Shoe Maker) + his 9 children.</p>
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1841 Census Longhope</p>
<p>John CONSTANCE - aged  60 - Shoemaker  (this is the Nephew of Theophilus)<br />
Hannah CONSTANCE - 60<br />
Amos CONSTANCE - 20</p>
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1841 Census Upper Longhope</p>
<p>Theophilus CONSTANCE - 75 - Head Turner (born in County)<br />
Mary CONSTANCE - 75 - born in County</p>
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<p>From the  Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations Records (on this site)</p>
<p>30 August 1788</p>
<p>Theophilus <strong>CONSTANT</strong> - aged 23 <strong>c1765</strong>  ?  or could be be 28 (c1760)  **</p>
<p>Batchelor, Rake Maker of Longhope</p>
<p>Mary DAWES aged 23, Spinster, of English Bicknor</p>
<p>Marriage by Licence</p>
<p>Swodn before Thos RUDGE to marry at English Bicknor</p>
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<p><br />
??? as JAMES can also be JOHN</p>
<p>Baptism at Tibberton</p>
<p>14 October 1760</p>
<p>Theophilus CONSTANT, parents: John &amp; Mary</p>
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As his death 30 November 1847 - gives his age at 86 (c1761)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a quick look at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database</p>
<p>from 1500 to 1600</p>
<p>Seaching by CONSTANCE</p>
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WILLS</p>
<p>1544 COWSTANS - Roger (Westbury on Severn)<br />
1570 CONSTANCE - Thomas (Westbury on Severn) Husbandman<br />
1576 COWSTANCE - Philip (Stanway) - Labourer<br />
1589 COSTANCE - Richard  (Flaxley) - Butcher<br />
1591 CONSTNS - John (Westbury on Severn) Weaver</p>
<p>Will have a look at these Wills which should be on Ancestry (could be in Latin/early English - difficult sometimes to read!!</p>
<p><br />
Transcriptions on the Forest of Dean Records</p>
<p>Flaxley - baptisms</p>
<p>Anne CONSTANS - 1567<br />
Robert CONSTANS - 1567</p>
<p>Use the Soundex on the Record Search (quite a few COWSTAN/COWSTANCE or even COUSTANS/CUSTANES etc)</p>
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See later reply: i.e baptism 1726 of <strong>Elizabeth CONSTANT alias COWSTANT</strong> at Newent</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, <br />
I see you've been onboard for a few years, are you linked to forum member Sophie Williams who was researching the Longhope Constances a few years back (and who I now remember I need to contact !...) ?.  Hopefully you've seen and maybe contributed-to her Constance threads in the past eg <br />
<a href="http://forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=43233">http://forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&amp;id=43233</a>  </p>
<p>Off the top of my head I cannot recall how far back these threads went. However browsing this site's Parish Records I can see several possible ancestors of yours in the 1700s and earlier, from all across the Forest, have you seen them ?. As well as the Littledean ones you mention see also at nearby Flaxley &amp; Abenhall and maybe Westbury too. Don't forget to tick the Soundex box when searching, there are several spelt &quot;Constants&quot; and &quot;Constans&quot; and such like, and especially look-out for Huntley P.R.s as they seem to go back a little further than the Longhope ones, and are only a couple of miles away. <br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/forest-of-dean-parish-map">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/forest-of-dean-parish-map</a></p>
<p>Using the great &quot;advanced search&quot; feature you can look-up all Baptisms, for example, by inputing just &quot;Consta&quot; into parent's surname, and &quot;Huntley&quot; for Chapel.<br />
<a href="http://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/advanced-search">http://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/advanced-search</a><br />
You can then sort the results by clicking on the relevant column heading, to give this list of PRs which look like two generations;<br />
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Year.Surname. Child Forenames. Fathers &amp; Mothers Forenames.Parish Chapel.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1756 CONSTANCE Richard. Richard &amp; Isabel. Huntley<br />
1759 CONSTANCE Anne. Richard &amp; Isabel.  Huntley<br />
1760 CONSTANCE Anne. Richard &amp; Isabel. Huntley</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1780 CONSTANCE Ann. [not stated] Ann. Huntley<br />
1785 CONSTANT Mary. Rich[ar]d &amp; Hannah. Huntley<br />
1787 CONSTANT John. Rich[ar]d &amp; Hannah. Huntley<br />
1789 CONSTANT Sarah. Rich[ar]d &amp; Hannah.Huntley<br />
1794 CONSTANCE Richard. Richard &amp; Hannah.  Huntley<br />
1797 CONSTANT Nancy. Rich[ar]d &amp; Hannah.  Huntley</span></p>
<p>Looking for them and other &quot;old&quot; CONSTANCES in the 1841 Longhope Census gives this, not sure if one or more households as can only use FamilySearch site at this time;<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1841  Longhope, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Benjamin Constance   M  65-69  Gloucestershire<br />
Ann Constance   F  66-70  Gloucestershire<br />
Henry Constance   M  30-34  Gloucestershire<br />
Richard Constance   M  25-29  Gloucestershire<br />
Phoebe Constance   F  25-29  Gloucestershire<br />
Eliza Constance   F  25-29  <br />
Thomas Clulee   M  50-54  <br />
Caroline Williams   F  30-34  Gloucestershire<br />
Caroline Williams   F  12  Gloucestershire<br />
Thomas Valender   M  35-39  Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1841  The Walk, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
John Constance   M  60-64  Gloucestershire<br />
Hannah Constance   F  60-64  Gloucestershire<br />
Amos Constance   M  20-24  Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1841  Chestgrove, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Theophilus Constance   M  75-79  Gloucestershire<br />
Mary Constance   F  75-79  Gloucestershire</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">1841  Yew Tree Inn, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.<br />
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace<br />
Thomas Constance   M  58-62  Gloucestershire<br />
Mary Constance   F  55-59  Gloucestershire<br />
Hannah Constance   F  25-29  Gloucestershire<br />
Benjamin Constance   M  20-24  Gloucestershire<br />
Eli Constance   M  15-19  Gloucestershire<br />
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<p>Of these examples Theophilus is the oldest, and I suspect has been covered in past threads and your research, looks to me like he's from Newent area so not far from Longhope, possibly this line ?.<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Record_ID: 24249<br />
Entry_Number: 442<br />
Year: 1724<br />
Month: Jan<br />
Day: 28<br />
Grooms_Surname: CONSTANT<br />
Grooms_Forenames: John<br />
Grooms_Age: <br />
Groom_Condition: <br />
Grooms_Occupation: <br />
Grooms_Residence: Newent<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Surname: DRINKWATER<br />
Brides_Forenames: Mary<br />
Brides_Age: <br />
Brides_Condition: <br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: Churcham<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Licence_or_Banns: <br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: <br />
Witness_1: <br />
Witness_2: <br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: Mr Thomas Avenant vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: Old style date 1723/4<br />
Notes: Ayl Parsons Arthur Hope churchwardens<br />
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/2<br />
Page_Number: 98<br />
Parish_Chapel: Newent<br />
Soundex_Groom: C523<br />
Soundex_Bride: D652</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Record_ID: 260618<br />
Entry_Number: <br />
Year: 1760<br />
Month: Oct<br />
Day: 14<br />
Parents_Surname: CONSTANT<br />
Child_Forenames: Theophilus<br />
Fathers_Forenames: John<br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary<br />
Mothers_Surname: <br />
Residence: <br />
Occupation: <br />
Officiating_Minister: <br />
Event: Baptism<br />
Memoranda: son of<br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P332 IN 1/1<br />
Page_Number: 30<br />
Parish_Chapel: Tibberton<br />
Soundex: C523</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Record_ID: 64025<br />
Entry_Number: <br />
Year: 1788<br />
Month: Sep<br />
Day: 1<br />
Grooms_Surname: CONSTANT<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Theophilus<br />
Grooms_Age: <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: <br />
Grooms_Residence: of the Parish of Longhope<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Surname: DAWES<br />
Brides_Forenames: Mary<br />
Brides_Age: <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: of this parish<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Licence<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: Richard Terrett<br />
Witness_2: John Greenwood<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: John Copner<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/6<br />
Page_Number: 53<br />
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor<br />
Soundex_Groom: C523<br />
Soundex_Bride: D200</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"></span><br />
Unfortunately the excellent Longhope Village site doesn't include the 1841 Census info in it's Family History section.<br />
<a href="http://www.longhopevillage.co.uk/FamilyHistory/">http://www.longhopevillage.co.uk/FamilyHistory/</a></p>
<p>It appears that the Constance family may not have been in Longhope much before the 1700s, see <a href="http://www.longhopevillage.co.uk/FamilyHistory/Parish/Index.aspx">http://www.longhopevillage.co.uk/FamilyHistory/Parish/Index.aspx</a></p>
<p>Hoping this helps in some way,<br />
Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just got hooked into family history by my wife who has traced the line back to James Constance who founded the turnery in Longhope in the 1700s.<br />
Does anyone have any further Information on this line?<br />
We have struggled to find anything any further back except for a reference to a Henrie Constance of Littledean in 1620. We would love to find out where the family originally came from and the origin of the name. Does anyone have any suggestions?</p>
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