Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Comfort PHILIPS m Thomas LYSUM (?)

Comfort PHILIPS m Thomas LYSUM (?) (reply)

shepway — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:12:34 +0000

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Comfort PHILIPS m Thomas LYSUM (?) (reply)

orangiey — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 17:19:07 +0000

Lysum is SYSUM which is my family name and direct decendants

Comfort PHILIPS m Thomas LYSUM (?) (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:45:34 +0000

before considering the LAUGHTON transcriptions, this set me thinking

I'm wondering if LYSUM is LAYTON ??????

1841 Pool Hill - thought to be Comfort HIAM
Thomas Layton abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Combert Layton abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Charles Layton abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Mary Layton abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Smuel Layton abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Thomas Layton abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire

Year 1815
Month Aug
Day 1

Groom Surname LYSUM
Groom Forename(s) Thomas
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence Newent
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession

Bride Surname PHILIPS
Bride Forename(s) Comfort
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition [not stated]
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Newent
Bride Father's Surname
Bride Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of Samuel Tranter
Witness 2 John Bowkett
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister John Morse Officiating Minister
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P225 IN 1/10
Page No 12
Parish/Chapel Newent

Year 1827
Month Dec
Day 16
Parents Surname LISUM
Child Forename(s) Timothy & Elizabeth
Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Mother's Forename(s) Comfort
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Kilcote
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister J. Archibald
Event type Baptism
Memoranda Privately baptized twins
Notes
Register Reference P225 IN 1/4
Page No 182
Parish/Chapel Newent

James Layton 1823- born in Pauntley / Pool Hill (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:22:37 +0000

I suspect that was true back then, now the balance may well be the separate burial ground / crematorium.

James Layton 1823- born in Pauntley / Pool Hill (reply)

faymaree — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:56:08 +0000

Not knowing anything about English burials, can I assume that if his funeral was held in the Parish Church, his remains would have been interred in the Church grounds, or would there have been a seperate cemetary, as in Australia?

James Layton 1823-1894 Pauntley / Pool Hill - Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:17:50 +0000

Year 1827
Month Jan
Day 28
Parents Surname HARRIS
Child Forename(s) Eliza
Father's Forename(s)
Mother's Forename(s) Sarah
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Poor House
Occupation Servant
Officiating Minister
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P125 IN 1/14
Page No 86
Parish/Chapel Dymock

Year 1848
Month Feb
Day 10

Groom Surname LAYTON
Groom Forename(s) James
Groom Age at Marriage Full
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Labourer
Groom Residence Dymock
Groom Father's Surname Layton
Groom Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Labourer

Bride Surname HARRIS
Bride Forename(s) Eliza
Bride Age at Marriage Full
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Dymock
Bride Father's Surname [not stated]
Bride Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Bride Father's Rank or Profession [not stated]

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of Thomas Symonds
Witness 2 Mark of Sarah Matthews
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister J Simons
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P125 IN 1/27
Page No 61
Parish/Chapel Dymock

Year 1848
Month May
Day 14
Parents Surname LAYTON
Child Forename(s) Emma
Father's Forename(s) James
Mother's Forename(s) Eliza
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Porter Top
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P125 IN 1/24
Page No 21
Parish/Chapel Dymock

1851 Dymock Village
James Lyton [LAYTON] abt 1825 Pauntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Dymock Gloucestershire
Eliza Lyton abt 1827 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Dymock Gloucestershire
Emma Lyton abt 1849 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock Gloucestershire

1861 Batefield Cottage
James Layghton abt 1824 Pauntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Dymock Gloucestershire
Eliza Layghton abt 1827 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Dymock Gloucestershire
Charles Layghton abt 1855 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock Gloucestershire
Emma Layghton abt 1848 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Dymock Gloucestershire
Samuel Layghton abt 1852 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock Gloucestershire
Thomas Layghton abt 1860 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son Dymock Gloucestershire

1871 Cinderford
James Leighton abt 1823 Poolhill, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Leighton abt 1825 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Leighton abt 1854 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Demina Leighton abt 1868 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Ellen Leighton abt 1861 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Leighton abt 1848 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Samuel Leighton abt 1841 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Leighton abt 1859 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Leighton abt 1865 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1881

1891 Forest Rd / Church Rd Cinderford
James Leighton abt 1823 Pauntley, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Leighton abt 1826 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
William Leighton abt 1873 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Sidney J Leighton abt 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Rond abt 1875 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire

Its not in the Notes or memoranda ( least its not been captured as such)

Entry Number 295
Year 1894
Month Oct
Day 25
Surname LEIGHTON
Forename(s) James
Place of Residence Cinderford
Age at death 78 years
Officiating Minister W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/1 IN 1/14
Page No 37
Parish Cinderford

James Layton 1823- born in Pauntley / Pool Hill (reply)

willow — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:30:49 +0000

James Leighton is listed as buried in Cinderford

If you need to locate the grave it might be worth asking who transcribed the records to see if there are any scribbled numbers showing near his entry on the parish register.

next to both my grandparents entries in the register are the numbers B/13/22 this tells me that mine are buried in Area B row 13 and grave# 22 it wasn't originally on the transcriptions so its worth asking. You might be lucky !!

January I will be hunting for that grave

James Layton 1823- born in Pauntley / Pool Hill (reply)

faymaree — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:09:08 +0000

Thanks for your comments Slowhands and Lesley. Thomas Layton and Sarah Starling were indeed the parents of Thomas Jnr c 1805 and James c 1809, however I don't believe that my James was his son, as I have a copy of his will, which only mentions the above two sons. Thomas Jnr would be about the right age to be his father, but the first child I have been able to identify born to him is Samuel, who was born in 1827. However, four years of marriage without a baby in those times is pretty unusual, is it not?
As for Pool Hill, Lesley, I have a copy of Eric Warde's book, which helped me identify the areas, and cottages in which the Leightons had lived over the years. Two or three weekends ago I sent my Leighton "cousin", discovered during my research, out to Pool Hill to take what photos he could, so I now have my own photos of the village.
Anyway, I'll keep tossing this mystery into the forum every few months, and maybe something will eventually turn up. In the meantime I will keep searching for that elusive baptism, if in fact he was baptised. I have checked Oxenhall and Newent on Hugh Wallis' site with no luck.
I don't suppose there is anybody out there who lives handy to Cinderford who would be prepared to search for and photograph James' grave for me? I believe he was buried from the Parish Church on 25 October 1894, and by that time was using the Leighton spelling.

James Layton 1823- born in Pauntley / Pool Hill (reply)

Lesley — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:56:27 +0000

Sorry I can't add much to your other respondent but I was interested as I live in Pool Hill myself and have been researching a Leighton for a book on the 1st World War memorial. Leightons abounded in Pauntley, especially Pool Hill, in the 19th century! I have found, when looking at Pauntley records, that some Pool Hill children seemed to have been baptised in Oxenhall and even Newent, for some reason - Pool Hill was split between Newent and Pauntley at one time, which might account for it, but it might be worth having a look there if you can't trace him in Pauntley. Shame the houses in Pool Hill didn't tend to have names at that time or I could get you a photo!

Lesley Harding

James Layton 1823- born in Pauntley / Pool Hill (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:39:43 +0000

In 1841 there are two Layton units close by, your James may be a "better" fit with Thomas 1774 - just an opinion ! perhaps Thomas 1806 is his brother.
the first son JAMES would pose a challenge to this option but not unheard of!!!

1841 Pool Hill
Thomas Layton abt 1774 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Ann Layton abt 1816 Pauntley Gloucestershire
Caroline Layton abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Francis Layton abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
James Layton abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
John Layton abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire

1841 Pool Hill
Thomas Layton abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Combert Layton abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Charles Layton abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Mary Layton abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Smuel Layton abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire
Thomas Layton abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley Gloucestershire

this may be Thomas 1774 marriage

THOMAS LAYTON
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Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH STARLING
Marriage: 07 NOV 1802 Newent, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M030404 1766 - 1837 0091536 Film 6905368 Film
Sheet: 00

and their son JAMES

JAMES LAYTON
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 SEP 1807 Newent, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS LAYTON
Mother: SARAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C030402 1597 - 1672 0425474 Film 6905367 Film
C030402 1672 - 1812 0091535 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

James Layton 1823- born in Pauntley / Pool Hill

faymaree — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:47:05 +0000

I am still trying to determine the parents of my gg grandfather James Leighton (Layton). I know his fathers name was Thomas, but which Thomas? And who was his mother? I believe he was working as a farm labourer in Ledbury under the name Leyton in the 1841 census. He then moved to Dymock and married Eliza Harris, and was listed as Lyton in 1851, and Layghton in 1861. He moved to Cinderford prior to 1871, and died there in 1894.
It is possible he may be the son of Thomas Layton and Comfort Hiam, who were married in 1823 in St Nicholas, Gloucester in 1823, and lived in Pool Hill, but I have not been able to locate his baptism. I have tried Pauntley Parish records, and most other known channels, but wondered if anyone could think of anything a bit more obscure that I may not have thought of.