Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Alexander Thomas Morgan

Alexander Thomas Morgan (reply)

gillmac — Tue, 27 Aug 2019 03:49:06 +0000

Even more years later....thank you Mike, have just delved back into the family history and was heartened to find the info you have supplied in the form - i'm going with it...Fills in a huge gap, thank you so much

Alexander Thomas Morgan (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:26:34 +0000

A few years late, I know, but if the 1871 gap is still there this might fill it,

GR 1871 Census, Dents Houses (?), Trevethin, Abersychan

Francis MORGAN. Head, Mar, 33, Shoemaker, b. Monmouth Town
Elizth, Wife, Mar, 25, b. Monmouth Penalt
Alick, Son, Un, 3, b. (not recorded)
Sydney, Son, 1, b. (not recorded)

I guess Francis (Frank), c. 1870 is Sydney as per this baptism,

Record_ID: 45520
Entry_Number: 2002
Year: 1869
Month: Feb
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Sydney
Fathers_Forenames: Francis
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Redbrook
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: Hugh T Cropper
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: born 2 Feb
Notes: memo in date column
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 251
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Alexander Thomas Morgan, Lydbrook, Ferry. (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:29:39 +0000

Well-spotted Mike, a very helpful report from 1951 I see, wrt FreeBMD;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1951 (>99%)
MORGAN Alexander T 83 F.of Dean 7b 354

So it's a little disappointing that Cinderford's "Mercury" in 1951 thought that tin was once mined in the Forest. Of course some Cornish tin-miners had moved here for work, including to Cinderford, hopefully that was in the writer's thoughts when making this typo error.
Not for the first time either.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=25006

Alexander Thomas Morgan, Lydbrook, Ferry. (reply)

shepway — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:48:44 +0000

There is also an account of his funeral in the Newspaper Clippings:
Newspaper Clippings - Alexander Morgan Funeral

Mike

George WADDLEY m Eliza HERBERT Lydbrook 1904 (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:08:06 +0000

From this site's parish Records can find full details of the Marriage reported by MPG;

Record_ID: 10042
Entry_Number: 266
Year: 1904
Month: Dec
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: WADDLEY
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Forge Hill Lydbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WADDLEY
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tin Plate Worker
Brides_Surname: HERBERT
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Forge Row Lydbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HERBERT
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Edward
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: he mark she sign
Witness_1: George Hussey
Witness_2: Blanche Ball
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [not stated]
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Not signed by vicar
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 133
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook
Soundex_Groom: W340
Soundex_Bride: H616

And Baptism of possible son ?;

Record_ID: 166558
Entry_Number: 165
Year: 1905
Month: Sep
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: WADLEY
Child_Forenames: Malvin son of
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Saml C Laulmans
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: 2 1/2 weeks
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 9/2
Page_Number: 46
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook Wesleyan Methodist
Soundex: W340

This site's PRs carry more Wadleys in Lydbrook area c1900-1940s, altho unsure how related if at all.

Searching FreeBMD gives following birth to Waddley/Herbert (note only births recorded post 1911 include mother's maiden name); http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
WADDLEY Ernest G Herbert Bedwellty 11a 138

and searching again for Wadley/Herbert, in case of error;

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
WADLEY Ila Herbert Bedwelty 11a 125

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Wadley Charles Herbert Bedwellty 11a 99
Wadley Iris Herbert Bedwellty

As said can only find Births with mother's maiden name post 1911.
Before then can find this birth registered during Oct/Nov/Dec of 1907

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
WADDLY George Henry Bedwellty 11a 76

Bedwelty District includes Treherbert as per MPG's post, see
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/districts.pl?r=126076981:5788&d=bmd_1414456093

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WARNING NOTE !
Searching Ancestry also shows a different George Henry Wadley living in the same general area; his Will shows he dies 14 Feb 1955, of 41 Australia Rd Cardiff, leaving £1705 to Elizabeth Wadley, widow. Unfortunately no age given.

However I don't think this relates to our George ?.
Both George Henry's Ancestry Death Index Record and the excellent set of father George's WW1 Pension Records both give George Henry's birthdate of 7th October 1907, Bedwelty District, as all previously stated by MPG (who always posts accurately & relevantly, unlike this amateur!).

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I see the Abertillery coal mines where father George worked c1911 were still being worked into the 1980s, see
http://www.abertillery.net/picpages/cwmtillerycollierypast.html
http://www.abertillery.net/picpages/roseheyworthcolliery.html

However I wonder if son George Henry was also involved in coal mining, given his passing-away in the important mining area of Clifton, Nottingham ? See

http://www.dmm.org.uk/company/n1005.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/articles/2008/10/14/pit_first_impressions_featu...
http://www.healeyhero.co.uk/rescue/pits/Clifton/Clifton-A.html
http://coalmine.proboards.com/thread/294/pits-nottinghamshire

George Henry WADDLEY (reply)

shepway — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:56:34 +0000

A site I recommend to you is The Regimental Archive of the Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers (Militia). Many Foresters joined this Regiment and our users may well find the searchable database very helpful.
A search for WADDLEY produced this entry:
Waddley, William, Regimental number:5822
Date of attestation: 1874-11-16 Place of attestation: Monmouth
Age at enlistment: 22 Occupation: Finer Address: John Waddley, Lidbrook Tin Plate Works, Nr Ross, Gloucestershire
Height at enlistment: 5 feet 6 inches
Notes: Cannot read or write

Mike

George Henry WADDLEY (reply)

MPGriffiths — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:33:30 +0000

Had a quick look - Brief outline for starters (a number of Public Members Tree on Ancestry) -
George Henry WADDLEY born 1908 - died 19 April 1980, Nottingham

Ancestry: Phone Book

1979
Geo H WADDLEY
18 Chisbury Gn
Clifton
Nottm: phone no. 841732

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1911 Census, 3 Old Penyleon,? Cwmtillary? Abertillery

WADDLEY

Mr George - 25 years, married 6 years, 3 children born alive, one dead, two living, Coalminer Hewer, born Gloucestershire
Mrs Eliza A - 29 - born Gloucestershire
George Henry - 4 - born Monmouthshire

British Army WW1 Pension Records

George WADDLEY - 28 years 6 months (Collier) 5 ft 7.5 inches tall, - weighing 170 lbs, brown hair and eyes.

Next of Kin: Eliza WADDLEY, 16 Under Houses, Abertillery, Monmouthshire

married Eliza HERBERT - Parish Church Lydbrook - 3 December 1904

children

George Henry WADDLEY - 1908
Ernest WADDLEY - 1914

3 Company R.M.R.E Monmouth

(only in for a short time - discharged 8 October 1814 - results of old injury to left foot cannot march)

Alexander Thomas Morgan, Lydbrook, Ferry. (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 20 Nov 2014 19:34:21 +0000

Hi Pat and welcome to the forum.
Just to check if you've seen the various Morgan photos, including ferryman Alexander, that Gillian has kindly posted on this site's Gallery ?
See http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/lydbrook_2/index3.html
also http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/lydbrook_2/index2.html

To help us best help you, and to avoid possibly revisiting what you already know, may I ask if you can please clarify any specific questions you have about your ancestors ?.

Thanks.

Alexander Thomas Morgan (reply)

patwaddley — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:32:36 +0000

I have an Alexander Thomas Morgan as the Ferryman at Waters Cross Lydbrook. I can remember my father George Henry Waddley B.1907 and Lived in Abertillery and his family came from Lydbrook. I cannot remember the Ferrymans first name but his surname was Morgan. My father did tell me that he use to take him fishing in the river Wye. My father was a very private person and didn't speak about his early life or the time he spent in the Army or WW11. If you can help me find out more I would be very thankful. Ted Waddley.

Alexander Thomas Morgan (reply)

Gill Macmillan — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:08:26 +0000

Thanks for the censuses for 1861 & 1851, although I still need convincing. am still learning though..cheers

Alexander Thomas Morgan (reply)

Slowhand-s — Mon, 23 May 2005 06:19:12 +0000

1871 is a bit of a challenge, but I'm wondering if this is his father in 1861 / 1851 ?

1901 ?
Alexander Morgan abt 1868 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Edith J Morgan abt 1900 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Emily J Morgan abt 1873 Peterstow, Herefordshire, England Wife English Bicknor Gloucestershire

Source information: RG13/4922
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Folio: 133
Page: 7
Household schedule number: 46

1891
Morgan, Agustin abt 1876 Coleford, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Alice I abt 1881 Coleford, Gloucestershire Daughter Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Azazid abt 1887 Coleford, Gloucestershire Daughter Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Elizabeth abt 1846 Penatt, Mon Wife Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Francis abt 1844 Tintern Abby, Mon Head Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Francis abt 1870 Redbrook, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Godfrey abt 1879 Coleford, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, John abt 1874 Coleford, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Oliver abt 1884 Coleford, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Samuel abt 1883 Coleford, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Thomas abt 1868 Redbrook, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Morgan, Trevor abt 1889 Coleford, Gloucestershire Son Ruardean Gloucestershire

1881
Agustus Morgan abt 1876 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Morgan abt 1880 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Morgan abt 1849 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Wife 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Francis Morgan abt 1843 Trelleck Grange, Monmouth, Wales Head 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Frank Morgan abt 1870 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Geoffrey Morgan abt 1878 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Johnny Morgan abt 1874 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Lizzie Morgan abt 1872 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Morgan abt 1868 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son 15 Glos Road, Newland, Gloucestershire, England

1871

1861 Upper Lydbrook
Elizabeth Jones abt 1810 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newland Gloucestershire
Francis Morgan abt 1838 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Samuel Morgan abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Thomas Morgan abt 1844 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newland Gloucestershire

1851 Newland / Redbrook
JONES Thomas 40 Labourer Newland
Elizabeth 41 Monmouth
MORGAN Elizabeth 17 Monmouth Daughter
MORGAN John son 10 Scholar Dixon Monmouth
Thomas 8 Scholar Newchurch Monmouthshire
Samuel 6 Scholar Newland

Alexander Thomas Morgan

Gill Macmillan — Thu, 19 May 2005 06:12:40 +0000

Born c1868 have located him on 1881 Census RG11 5223/63 Page 15 and 1891 RG12 2056/112 Page 14 But can find nothing for him in 1871. I think this is one for you Slowhands