Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Philip James (Old croft)

Philip James (Old croft) (reply)

james — Sat, 31 May 2025 18:34:18 +0000

Sorry , did'nt realise I had posted this in 2023. Roy

Philip James (Old croft) (reply)

james — Sat, 31 May 2025 18:25:54 +0000

Hello CarrieBEE just seen your message of 2023 , do not know if Post still running or not, and yes, I do have Phillip James in my Tree, his brother, Thomas is my Great/ Great Grand Father.
And I have taken the DNA test quite a while ago.
Regards Roy.

Mary PARRY (reply)

CarrieBEE — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 19:10:20 +0000

I know she had a few brushes with the law. One for for not sending the kids to school. She said she had no money to buy boots and the other was for leaving them at home to go to work. The thing is...her siblings all seems to have done reasonably well in life. I wonder if she had a bit of a learning disability.

Mary PARRY (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 19:06:00 +0000

Mary certainly had mixed fortunes - 1873-1880
she seems to have settled with William WEBB and had a number of children with him before his death in 1872, then Elizabeth Sarah in 1875 father unknown before her own death in 1884.

I wonder if she is in the Workhouse records for Westbury on Severn

Philip James (Old croft) (reply)

CarrieBEE — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 18:02:05 +0000

I've just sent you an invite to my tree on ancestry. Perhaps you could have a look at it if you have time and let me know your thoughts about my Philip James. I may well have it all wrong about him. In the mea time I;ll looks at other possibilities. We have no Dan match it seems.

Philip James (Old croft) (reply)

james — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:46:41 +0000

CarrieBEE,Ref Phillip James of Oldcroft
I have been researching since the 1980s,visits to record offices was the thing then,
going through file after file,record upon record. Now Ancestry is not perfect, a lot of information tends to be copied from other researchers, quite often leading one in an entirely different path without the correct result. People tended to stay in the same area in the early days. DNA has helped in some way,but unfortunately,not for our ancestors. My contact details for Ancestry are jamesrandj5 , Regards Roy

Philip JAMES (Oldcroft) (reply)

CarrieBEE — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 16:08:47 +0000

Yes, very true. it doesn't help when in my situation here, Philip James was not the husband of Mary Parry so not paper trail. I am relying on DNA. Also, I have another James line through another part of my tree.

Philip JAMES (Oldcroft) (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 15:43:17 +0000

There is a lot of conflicting information on some of those Ancestry tree. Very confusing and frustrating.

When we set about creating this site, the vision was to share / acquire / transcribe additional data to assist research , at that time online information was sparse, census data 1881, 1851 and I think 1841 were reasonable accessible online.

A number of trees will no doubt go back to the early days and perhaps lack "triangulation" of data, some will be best guess....

Todays challenge is very similar take as much information as you can with source tags if possible and assemble it , hopefully with data that cross checks i.e. dates / children's names to a fair degree of confidence.

However once you go back beyond 1841 , it gets harder to correlate data to get high degree of confidence

Its all part of the fun or challenge

Thomas JAMES 1796 Blakeney/Awre (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 15:34:51 +0000

Looks like a candidate

Year: 1796
Month: Mar
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Philip
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname: nee](Marshall Spinster])
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar & Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: S[on]
Notes: Blakeney Chapel
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 473
Parish_Chapel: Awre

going further back needs much more research as there appear to be several Philip/Mary JAMES in the area at a similar time - so sorting offspring could be very challenging - yet to find a MARSHALL marriage record

Year: 1754
Month: Sep
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: Phillip:
Groom_Condition: Widower
Brides_Surname: SAUNDERS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Condition: spinst[e]r
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: [1]Saturday[symbol for] [2]See the other Regist[e]r Book
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 328
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1767
Month: Sep
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Philip
Fathers_Forenames: Philip
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Jno Sargeaunt Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: S[on] of
Notes: Blakeney Chapel
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 438
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1787
Month: Feb
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: Philip
Groom_Condition: B[achelo]r
Brides_Surname: WANKLYN
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Condition: Sp[inste]r
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar
Event: Marriage
Notes: BTs Brides surname shown as Wanklin
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 346
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1787
Month: May
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Philip
Fathers_Forenames: Philip
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar & Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [1]S[on] of [2]b[or]n May 25 priv[atel]y b[aptise]d rec[eive]d into Church June 24
Notes: Blakeney Chapel. BT's show date as Jun 24
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 459
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Philip James (Old croft) (reply)

CarrieBEE — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:18:43 +0000

Hi,
Thanks for your reply. What is your username on Ancestry? Mine is carrieb20. I'm also on 23&Me, My Heritage and FTDNA. There is a lot of conflicting information on some of those Ancestry tree. Very confusing and frustrating.

Philip James (Old croft) (reply)

james — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 13:47:44 +0000

CarrieBEE Ref Phillip James 1833, AS my records go ,don't think he was ever married.

Roy

Philip James (Old croft) (reply)

james — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 13:41:43 +0000

Hello ,,,Have just seen yr message regarding Phillip James of 1833,& have him in my family tree
as I am a decendant of Phillip James bn 1767 Am on Ancestry, with a DNA result

Roy

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

CarrieBEE — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 19:13:07 +0000

I have Harriett as the daughter of Mary Virgoe and Thomas James. She married a John Turner.

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 19:05:22 +0000

Just been checking on Rootschat Gloucestershire.

There is an old thread: which started, Saturday 20 May 06 from a Claire FRASER

Heading:

James Family, Oldcroft, West Dean

Which starts, I have just started research on the above family for an uncle. Names are:

Thomas JAMES born 1796
Thomas JAMES born 1824

Thomas Philip JAMES born 8.12.1867 married Sarah Ann SANDFORD 1889

John William JAMES born 11.11.1890 ( My Uncle's father) siblings, George, Steven, Sarah, Elsei. Married Gertrude Elizabeth Ellen Watkins 1.04.1918.

Then the Contributors, basically quote the same 1841 census...

Thomas James 45 collier
Mary 40
Thomas 14
Philip 8
Joseph 6
William 3
Harriet 6 months

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I found this just by Googling: Philip JAMES - and it comes under the heading... as above (on Rootschat). If you don't belong, its free, just have to register.

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

CarrieBEE — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 18:57:35 +0000

Oh my goodness! How awful. Did he survive his injuries do you know?

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 18:52:46 +0000

I'll add this article, in case it's relevant...

South Wales Daily News - Tuesday 9 November 1886

SERIOUS POACHING AFFRAY IN DEAN FOREST

A KEEPER BADLY BEATEN

A serious poaching affray occurred in a wood upon the Lydney Park Estate, Dean Forest, about 5.30 on Sunday afternoon.
Quite recently Mr C Bathurst, of The Park, Sydney, has let the whole of his extensive shooting preserves to a Mr Dymock, who employed a gamekeeper named Richard JAMES to look after his interests.

The keeper heard shots being fired near one of the woods where he had been feeding pheasants and he proceeded alone in the direction of the place. Almost immediately he came across two men with double-barrelled guns whom he knew well to be confirmed poachers. He told them his suspicion, and said he must search them.

The first, a man named RICHARD BEARD, a labourer, of Oldcroft, showed no opposition, but, the other whose name was PHILIP JAMES, also a labourer, of OLDCROFT and who is is elderly man, refused to be interfered with.

The keeper persisted, whereupon JAMES knocked him down, and both men then beat and kicked him whilest he was on the ground. Then they had satisfied themselves they left him. The poor fellow crawled away to his home, and was placed in a trap and conveyed to the surgery at Blakeney.

Drs WEBB and IRWIN, who were in church, were at once called to see the wounded man, and found him suffering from severe cuts about the face, head and head, while was body was bruised all over. he is in a very weak state from loss of blood.

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

CarrieBEE — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 18:47:38 +0000

I have John Hatton in my tree who married Ann James born 1782 and the daughter or Warren James and Ann Kear. Ann James is my 4th great aunt. Family of rogues.. lol

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 18:37:55 +0000

Just found an article, Gloucestershire Chronicle - 6 January 1872

NEWNHAM, Petty Session - Monday : Before Capt. Goold, Sir Thos. Crawley-BOEVEY, Bart, Edwin Crawshay etc. etc. etc.

John HATTON and Ambrose HODGES, of Newnham, and Philip JAMES of Oldcroft, were charged with stealing 22lbvs of bacon from the Victoria Hotel taproom, the property of Mrs Ellen HAWKINS, the landlady.

etc. etc. The prisoners were committed for trial at the quarter sessions.

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

CarrieBEE — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 18:37:16 +0000

Yep! That’s her. Bless her. Poor wee soul X

Philip JAMES 1832- Oldcroft (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 04 Mar 2023 18:19:32 +0000

No idea whether this is your Mary PARRY, but British Newspapers on line, do have a few articles .

Gloucester Journal - 17 October 1874

COLEFORD

POLICE COURT, THURSDAY

Mary PARRY, a single woman was brought up before Major Davies, charged in September last unlawfully deserting her children who became chargeable to the Union of Monmouth, Hereford and Gloucester. Prisoner was committed for seven days.

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Gloucestershire Chronicle - 15 January 1876

FOREST OF DEAN, COLEFORD PETTY SESSION, Tuesday, Before Sir J Campbell Bart, and Major Davies.

Mary PARRY, of Yorkley, was summoned for neglecting to have her child vaccinated. It was proved that defendant had had letters sent to her, warning her to attend before the medical officer, but she took no notice of them. One day a message was sent to her by a woman named Morgan, and an impudent answer was returned. She was ordered to pay the costs, 5s. 6d. within a fortnight.

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Gloucester Journal - Saturday 12 April 1879

COLEFORD POLICE COURT

Mary PARRY, of Yorkley, appeared to a summons preferred by the School Board Authority, on a charge of neglecting to send her childen to school. Defendant said she had no boots for her children. Order made. Mrs PARRY was directed to apply to the guardians for boots,