Forest of Dean FHT Forum - HILLMAN/CULLY/SIMMONDS/WATKINS

HILLMAN/CULLY/SIMMONDS/WATKINS (reply)

lamplighter10 — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 22:06:24 +0000

Thank you again, some of the information I have but there are some interesting facts that you have turned up.

HILLMAN/CULLY/SIMMONDS/WATKINS (reply)

MPGriffiths — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 14:04:58 +0000

Have just checked Public Members Trees on Ancestry - and these confirm

Elizabeth HILLMAN (who married William WATKINS) was the daughter of William HILLMAN - 1826/1908 and Elizabeth SIMMONDS - 1823/1861**

William WATKINS parents were: Giles WATKINS - 1829/1907 and Susannah CULLY - 1831/1906.

There are also previous threads on this forum re the above families

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Also on Rootsweb Gloucester - Archives - 14 December 1998

Cinderford Mercury - Friday 1 April 1881

Littledean Police Court

Poor Rate Defaulters

Emmanuell HILLMAN and Giles WATKINS, were summoned by the Overseers of Ruardean, for arrears of rate, 8/- each, and orders were made against the parties.

Death Notice - Cinderford Mercury - 1 April 1881

March 24, at Lydbrook, Mary Ann, widow of William WATKINS, aged 71 years

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Burial at English Bicknor - 16 May 1861

Elizabeth HILLMAN aged 38

residence: Lydbrook

1861 Census, Lydbrook Hill

HILLMAN

William 35 - Tin Rouler, born East Dean
Elizabeth - 38 - born English Bicknor
Elizabeth - 9 - born East Dean
Sarah A - 6
John - 2

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1871 Census - Lower Lydbrook

HILLMAN

William - 45
Mary Ann - 29 - born Hangarnan, Hereford (1881 census, born Langgarron, Hereford)
Elizabeth - 15
John - 12
Mary - 4 (looking at freebdm - Mary 1867, Monmouth, Coleford, mother's maiden name: WATKINS)
Charlott - 8
John WATKINS, father-in-law - blacksmith born Monmouth
Susanna WATKINS - 39 - born English Bicknor.

The family appear to be Methodists and there is a baptism at West Dean Methodist - 19 April 1863 of Emily, daughter of William (Tin Plate Roller) and Maryann - residence, Lydbrook.

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Marriage at Whitchurch, 1862

William HILLMAN, Widower, residence, Whitchurch

married, Mary Ann WATKINS, Spinster, residence, Whitchurch

by Banns

Date of Banns: 1862 Feb 16, 23, Mar 2

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1861 Census, Llangarran, Herefordshire

WATKINS

Michael - 53 - born Langarran
Hannah - 52, born English Bicknor
Mary A - 19 - born Langarran
Emma - 16
Eliza - 10
Ralph K - 7
Sarah BILLS, Visitor - 40

Fod Records

Marriage at Whitchurch - 1834

Michael WATKINS and Hannah WATKINS

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Elizabeth Hillman born 1855 and lived at Ruardean (reply)

lamplighter10 — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 09:08:03 +0000

Thank you - a possible, will have to follow up on the marriage certificate.

Elizabeth HILLMAN/WATKINS? (reply)

MPGriffiths — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 07:59:15 +0000

Gloucestershirebdm

Elizabeth HILLMAN married William WATKINS, Forest of Dean, Monmouth Register Office 1878

On the 1871 Census, Elizabeth is living with William, her father, Mary Ann and siblings in Lower Lydbrook
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the 1881 census for Lower Lydbrook shows

William WATKINS, age 26 - Tin Rowler, born Glos Ruardean
Elizabeth WATKINS, age 28 - born ditto (knocks a few years off her age!)
Oliver WATKINS - 1

1891 Census Lydbrook

Ancestry has WATTAM

WATKINS/WATTAM

William - 36
Elizabeth - 38
Oliver G - 11
Lois - 8
Edwin J - 5
Charlotte - 3

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1901 Census Lydbrook

WATKINS

William - 45
Elizabeth - 48
Louisa - 18
James - 15
Charlotte - 13

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Elizabeth corrects her age by the 1911 census

Elizabeth WATKINS, 12 Lower Lydbrook

age 55, Widow, 4 children born alive, 4 living, born Lydbrook
Edwin James - 25 - Tin Worker (roller)
Lois - 26
Charles - 23
William Jas WATKINS, grandson age 1

Elizabeth Hillman born 1855 and lived at Ruardean

lamplighter10 — Fri, 04 Apr 2014 01:02:21 +0000

I cannot find any reference to the above after the census of 1871 when she was 15. Her father William moved to Lancashire but she is not shown on the 1881 census. There is an Elizabeth Hillman who married a Richard Tattersall in Lancashire with a father William Hillman and fits the same birth year but the register shows she was born in Liverpool! Our Elizabeth was born in Gloucestershire. Any help would be appreciated, trying to tie up the loose ends of the family research. Thank you