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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Chris,<br />
have you searched thro' all the CWGC site entries as I suggested last night ?. Laborious task I know but it may help give next-of-kin details. <br />
Please advise as I'm happy to go thro' them myself but would prefer to know first if you've already done so.<br />
Thanks J</p>
<p>PS Regarding the earlier discussion of soldiers enlisting in Abergavenny, which of course provided men for the Monmouthshire Regiment as well as the Borderers, I've just found this site which may be usefull for future research of this type. This excellent site lists and includes backgroud details of all the men on Abergavenny's Memorial.  <br />
<a href="http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=abergavenny-war-memorial-fww">http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=abergavenny-war-memorial-fww</a></p>
<p>In fact this is just one section within a website to War Memorials all across Wales. The site has an excellent search engine, eg enter &quot;Marshall&quot; and it lists several Memorials which include this name.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike,<br />
I did search for a site such as this but without your skills it seems !<br />
More importantly, what beautifull Memorials, thanks so much for posting.<br />
Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, a lot to look over and hopefully bring this search to a conclusion.  Will advise via the forum.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting off with some strays in Yorkshire:-</p>
<p>1911 Census, Castle ford, Yorks.</p>
<p>Albert Parsons, Head, 42, Married 22 years (=1889) Coal Miner Hewer, b. Glos. Forest of Dean<br />
Elizabeth          , Wife, 42, b. Glos. Forest of Dean<br />
Vida A.J . Booth  ,Daur, 22 , b. Glos. Forest of Dean<br />
Albert J. Parsons, Son, 17, ? Cleaner Glass Works, b. Yorks. Castleford<br />
William H. Parsons, Son, 13, School, b. Yorks, Castleford<br />
Frederick Parsons, 11, Son, 11, School, B. Yorks, Castleford<br />
Nora M. Parsons, Daur, 4, b. Yorks, Castleford<br />
Archie Booth, Son-in-law, 21, Driver below gound, b. Yorks, Castleford<br />
John Marshall, Nephew, 27, Labourer, ?? Company, b. Glos, Newtown</p>
<p>Albert’s marriage:-</p>
<p>Record_ID: 21050<br />
Entry_Number: 160<br />
Year: 1888<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 20<br />
Grooms_Surname: PARSONS<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Albert<br />
Grooms_Age: 20<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Coal miner<br />
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean Hill<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parsons<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Coal miner deceased<br />
Brides_Surname: SEVERNE<br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth<br />
Brides_Age: 21<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Hill<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Severne<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Charles<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal miner<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]<br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign<br />
Witness_1: William Wilce<br />
Witness_2: Mark of Lortitia Tippins<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/8<br />
Page_Number: 80<br />
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook</p>
<p>The link with the Marshall family??  Was Agnes Elizabeth’s sister?</p>
<p>Record_ID 3179<br />
Entry_Number 315<br />
Year 1880<br />
Month Dec<br />
Day 28<br />
Grooms_Surname MARSHALL<br />
Grooms_Forenames William<br />
Grooms_Age 29<br />
Groom_Condition Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation Labourer<br />
Grooms_Residence Cinderford<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname Marshall<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames William<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation Labourer<br />
Brides_Surname SEVERN<br />
Brides_Forenames Agnes Martha<br />
Brides_Age 20<br />
Brides_Condition Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence Cinderford<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname Severn<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames Cha[rle]s<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation Labourer<br />
Licence_or_Banns Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns <br />
Signature_or_Mark Both mark<br />
Witness_1 Mark of James Brooks<br />
Witness_2 Mark of Maria Brooks<br />
Other_Witnesses <br />
Officiating_Minister W[illia]m Lynes Vicar<br />
Event Marriage<br />
Memoranda <br />
Notes <br />
Register_Reference P85/1 IN 1/5<br />
Page_Number 158<br />
Parish_Chapel Cinderford St John</p>
<p>And John’s baptism:-</p>
<p>Record_ID 130010<br />
Entry_Number 759<br />
Year 1883<br />
Month Nov<br />
Day 18<br />
Parents_Surname MARSHALL<br />
Child_Forenames John<br />
Fathers_Forenames W[illia]m<br />
Mothers_Forenames Agnes<br />
Mothers_Surname <br />
Residence New Town East Dean<br />
Occupation Labourer<br />
Officiating_Minister C A Borrer Rector<br />
Event Baptism<br />
Memoranda <br />
Notes <br />
Register_Reference AG68/6<br />
Page_Number 95<br />
Parish_Chapel Hope Mansell</p>
<p>The obvious problem is that this all relates to an area just north of Cinderford. I can’t see a link with this John Marshall and Clearwell.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2014 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps by using the Advance Search - you may find answers e.g.  (although  John Snr would be too old…) on the 1891 census John MARSHALL is aged 37…</p>
<p>1891 census, Yorkley</p>
<p>MARSHALL - John 37, Clara 34,<br />
children, Reuben 15, William 13, Bessie 11, Harry 9, <strong>Albert 7</strong>, Tom 5, Minnie 3 and Fred 1 month</p>
<p>John has 6 sons, and none have his name on census returns - unless they are known by their middle name(s)???</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Glosbdm</p>
<p>John MARSHALL married Clara BLUNT at the Forest of Dean Register Office 1878</p>
<p>Albert<strong> John </strong>MARSHALL - birth registered 1883 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth Coleford</p>
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<p>By searching for Marriages etc at Clearwell for Marshall  (this appears the only MARSHALL at Clearwell)</p>
<p>we have</p>
<p>21 April 1913</p>
<p>Albert MARSHALL aged 27, Bachelor, Miner - residence, Ellwood, Clearwell  (?is he known as John)</p>
<p>father: John MARSHALL (deceased)</p>
<p>married Elizabeth Blanche JONES</p>
<p>witnesses: John JONES and <strong>Minnie MARSHALL</strong></p>
<p>etc etc</p>
<p>- on GlosBDM can't see any MARSHALL/JONES births registered at all after 1913</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  The memorial is to those who gave their lives.<br />
I will just keep on searching - I don't give up too easily!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, I got that but who was he? that is the question</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like these were men who died.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcots/ClearwellPhotos.html">http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcots/ClearwellPhotos.html</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,<br />
here's his record on this site's WW1 database, which I'm sure you've seen, clearly not too much is readily known about him ??.</p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">Forest of Dean WW1 Servicemen<br />
Transcript Details</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">Record_ID: 3501 <br />
Year: _ <br />
Surname: MARSHALL <br />
Forename: John <br />
Rank: Private <br />
Regiment: _ <br />
Service_Number: _ <br />
Residence: Clearwell <br />
Notes_1: _ <br />
Notes_2: _ <br />
Newspaper: _ <br />
Date_Published: _ <br />
Image: _ <br />
Soundex: M624 </span></p>
<p>Do you know whether Clearwell Memorial is commemorating all those who served, or &quot;only&quot; those who gave their lives ?</p>
<p>The CWGC site lists over 260+ &quot;J Marshall&quot;s, at least 60 of these are definitely Johns, who died during the War. Have you searched their database, a long job I know but sometimes their records include details of nextofkin which are very helpfull. ?<br />
I suspect this entry MAY be the same man you mention, Abergavenny being in the SW Borderers' &quot;catchment&quot; area. <br />
<a href="http://www.drillhalls.org/TownAbergavenny.htm">http://www.drillhalls.org/TownAbergavenny.htm</a>  </p>
<p><span style="color:#030;">MARSHALL, JOHN<br />
Rank:Private<br />
Service No:8924<br />
Date of Death:21/08/1915<br />
Regiment/Service:South Wales Borderers<br />
 2nd Bn. <br />
Panel ReferencePanel 80 to 84 or 219 and 220.<br />
MemorialHELLES MEMORIAL<br />
Additional Information:<br />
 </span><br />
<a href="http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/688331/MARSHALL,%20JOHN">http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/688331/MARSHALL,%20JOHN</a></p>
<p>Helles suggests the Gallipoli / Dardanelles campaign.</p>
<p>??????</p>
<p>I've tried searching the BNA and Welsh Newspapers websites but to no avail, unfortunately &quot;Marshall&quot; supplies many thousands of newspaper hits relating to Field-Marshalls and the like...</p>
<p>Most WW1 mentions of Clearwell relate to Pte George Miles, who was awarded the V.C. <br />
???<br />
<a href="http://www.glosters.org/milesvc.htm">http://www.glosters.org/milesvc.htm</a></p>
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<p>Searching this site's PRs for Marshall in Clearwell gives;<br />
Record_ID: 31225 <br />
Entry_Number: 271 <br />
Year: 1913 <br />
Month: Apr <br />
Day: 21 <br />
Grooms_Surname: MARSHALL <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Albert <br />
Grooms_Age: 27 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Miner <br />
Grooms_Residence: Ellwood Clearwell <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: <strong>Marshall </strong><br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: <strong>John </strong><br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: <strong>Deceased </strong><br />
Brides_Surname: JONES <br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth Blanche <br />
Brides_Age: 22 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Ellwood Clearwell <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jones <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: John Jones <br />
Witness_2: Minnie Marshall <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: William Robinson <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/5 <br />
Page_Number: 136 <br />
Parish_Chapel: <strong>Clearwell</strong> <br />
Soundex_Groom: M624 <br />
Soundex_Bride: J520 </p>
<p>I wonder if tracing this family might produce another younger John Marshall ?.</p>
<p>I also find this Record that MIGHT possibly be connected to this quest ?</p>
<p>Record_ID: 84055 <br />
Entry_Number: 266 <br />
Year: 1918 <br />
Month: Jun <br />
Day: 24 <br />
Grooms_Surname: <strong>MARSHALL </strong><br />
Grooms_Forenames: <strong>Albert John </strong><br />
Grooms_Age: 25 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: <strong>Serving in HM Forces </strong><br />
Grooms_Residence: not stated <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Marshall <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John Henry <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Caretaker <br />
Brides_Surname: TAYLOR <br />
Brides_Forenames: Mabel Florence Ellen <br />
Brides_Age: 24 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Tregarth Hartpury <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Taylor <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Walter Frederick <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Retired postman <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Licence <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: both sign <br />
Witness_1: Walter Frederick Taylor <br />
Witness_2: Florence Bessie Watkins <br />
Other_Witnesses: E H Taylor <br />
Officiating_Minister: Nathan Jones Vicar <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P165 IN 1/18 <br />
Page_Number: 133 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Hartpury <br />
Soundex_Groom: M624 <br />
Soundex_Bride: T460</p>
<p>???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone give me a steer as to who John Marshall was please?  This man appears on the War Memorial in St Peter's Church, Clearwell but I can find nothing about him locally.  I have found one man who was born in Bristol and enlisted at Abergavenny around 1914 but nothing else - could this be him?  Any ideas please?</p>
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