1841 Census
Dean Forest, Extra Parochial, Lea Bailey Hill

James WELSH, 25, Lab. Born in county
Ann WELSH, 25, Born in county

They are sandwiched between two MEEK families.

Here is the 1871 census for Ruardean,

'terrible scribbled over-writing' - William going by his mother's name MEEK

William MAK - 29 - Haulier - all born Ruardean
Mary MAK - 29
Mary HANCH MAK - 5
Frederick Wm MAK - 2
Oldrich Denna MAK - 1 month (Son) (CLDS - Oldrich Linus MEEK)
Ann HADDOCK - - unmarried - 37 - visitor

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1861 Census

William HADDOCK - born Newent
Susan - born Redbrook
Ann - 26
Mary - 19

1851 Census, Newland

HADDOCK

William - 48 - Forgeman, born Lydbrook
Susan - 47 - born Redbrook
George - 19 - born Lydbrook
Hannah - 16
Henry - 13
Mary A - 7
Elizabeth - 6

1841 Census, Lydbrook

William HADDOCK - 35 - Forgeman - not born in County
Susana - 35 - born in County
George - 8
Ann - 6
Henry - 4
John - 1
Nelson HADDOCK - 25 - Forgeman - not born in County

(Nelson (father Rawlings HADDOCK) married Jane JAMES, a Widow at English Bicknor - 15 July 1843,

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There have been many previous threads on HADDOCK's, Rawlings etc - HADDOCK is also in previous threads in my family tree

James WELSH - Bachelor, Hundred of St Briavels

married

Ann MEEK - Spinster, Hundred of St Briavels

by banns

witnesses: mark of Joseph MEEK and Anna Maria WELCH

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Here's the 1851 census at Hope Mansell - James was a Waggoner, hence the various places of baptisms of the children

James WELCH - 37 - Waggonner, born Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Ann WELCH - 35 , born East Dean
William WELCH - 8 - born East Dean
Joseph WELCH - 2
Charles MECK - 38 - lodger, born East Dean

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This seems to be correct

Marriage at Flaxley - 12 November 1845

Thomas YEMM - full age, bacheloer, labourer, township of East Dean
father: Thomas YEMM, labourer
married
Lydia MEEK - of full age - residence: East Dean
father: Joseph MEEK - labourer

Licence or Banns, Rites and ceremo

witnesses: John and Eliza ARKELL

1861 East Dean

Lydia YEMM - 44, married, Laundress born East Dean
Hannah WELCH - 9 - Niece
William WELCH - 18 - Nephew - Carter

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Fod Records (baptisms up to 1851 so far)

Baptism at Drybrook

30 August 1835

Mary WELSH
parents: James (labourer) & Ann
residence, Bailey Pound

Baptism at Lea and also Abenhall

same day

19 August 1836

Richard WELSH

parents: James & Ann

residence: Lea Bailey, labourer

and then at Lea

Richard WELCH,

parents: James (labourer) & Ann

residence: part of the Hundred of St Briavels

and at Abenhall - 19 August 1836

Richard WELSH

parents: James (labourer) & Ann

residence: Lea Bailey

and at Lea - 11 October 1840

James WELCH

parents: James (labourer) & Ann

residence: part of the Hundred of St Briavels

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Baptism at Lea - 16 June 1842

William WELCH

parents: James (labourer) and Ann

residence, Hundred of St Briavels

Baptism at Hope Mansell

19 August 1848

Joseph WELSH,

parents: James (labourer) and Ann

residence: Hope Mansell

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Gloucestershirebdm

WELSH, mother's maiden name HADDOCK

1874, Susan Elizabeth, Forest of Dean, Chepstow, Lydney
1877, Gertrude Annie - ditto
1879, Thomas George - ditto
1884, Harold Edward - ditto

I am not related so have no other information I can share with you I'm afraid!

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To be honest, Welsh & Whils aren't that far apart. It could have been misread, misheard or misspelt!

Is this his baptism?

Record_ID: 166401
Entry_Number: 5
Year: 1869
Month: Jul
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: WELSH
Child_Forenames: Frederick William son of
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: I.B. Charles
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born April 15th 1869
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 9/2
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook Wesleyan Methodist
Soundex: W420

What was the document your cousin showed you please?

William & Mary married in 1865 at a Register Office (hence no marriage showing in Parish Records).

Marriages Mar 1865

Haddock Mary Monmouth 11a 59
Welsh William Monmouth 11a 59

I have posted the marriage you refer to just to give our merry band of helpers an idea of the dates involved.

Record_ID: 34748
Entry_Number: 385
Year: 1898
Month: Mar
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: WELSH
Grooms_Forenames: Frederick Meek
Grooms_Age: 28
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Aylburton
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Welsh
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Gardener
Brides_Surname: BARNES
Brides_Forenames: Alberta
Brides_Age: 29
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Aylburton
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Barnes
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Henry Saunders
Witness_2: Ann Edwards
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Stephen E Cornish Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Banns in the Parish Ch of Lydney w Aylburton
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/16
Page_Number: 193
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: W420
Soundex_Bride: B652

WFDG meek-welsh (my grandfather)
2 - william james meek-welsh
3 - frederick william meek-welsh

We get to frederick meek-welsh and i get confused. i have his marriage certificate to Alberta Barnes. On the certificate, his fathers name is william welsh.
I then had a certificate given to me by my mothers cousin. It says frederick william, fathers name WILLIAM WHILS and mother MARY WHILS FORMERLY HADDOCK.
When i looked on here, i found the rbaptism which says william welsh

I need to know who his parents are to continue my research. I found a grave in Aylburton for a Mary meek-welsh beloved wife of william meek-welsh. The grave has possibly 2 other people buried there but i need to do a grave rubbing and in this weather, that isnt possible.
Can anyone help??

Kimberley