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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your reply.</p>
<p>More research needed by me i think!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your reply.</p>
<p>It certainly looks as if this is not the correct Henry? More research required on my part!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your reply to my query.</p>
<p>Rita Manns mother was Margaret Alice Browning.  I am wondering if i have got the wrong Henry Grainger? I will check the spelling as Granger.</p>
<p>Your hints will be useful as well. Thank you</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your helpful reply.<br />
I think i will have to go back and look again with a different spelling of Granger for the deaths which might explain why the odd date of both passing away at the same time.</p>
<p>I have received many useful replies to my post and i will go through them all again.</p>
<p>The 3 children you have mentioned do seem likely as their mothers name was Manns.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow great timing Mike, I'd just spotted that using the BNA free search but wasn't able to download in full, thankyou sir !!   I couldnt see anything about a Mrs Rita Grainger/Granger dying tho... but I expect you will !</p>
<p>Re this other family;</p>
<p>FreeBMD;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Spouse   District   Vol   Page <br />
Marriages Mar 1917   <br />
Grainger  Henry  Worrall  Gloucester  6a 505 <br />
Worrall  Florence  Grainger  Gloucester  6a 505 </span></p>
<p>GlosBMD confirms;  <br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Marriage Details<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry<br />
GRAINGER Henry WORRALL Florence Gloucester Gloucester St Mary de Lode  1917 33 No 9 178</span></p>
<p>FreeBMD;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname  First name(s)  Age  District  Vol  Page <br />
Deaths Jun 1924<br />
Grainger  Henry  29  Gloucester  6a 317<br />
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<p><br />
Cannot find any offspring births for this couple, which fits the funeral report as none mentioned there.<br />
Also note no mention of &quot;James&quot; in this man's records, altho to be fair I've seen a few cases of folk adopting middle names later in life.</p>
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Think this is our Florence's birth;<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Jun 1895<br />
Worrall  Florence    Gloucester  6a 289</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
WORRALL Florence ALLEN 1895 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas 31 413</span></p>
<p>----</p>
<p>Not the rarest name but suspect this is Florence after losing Henry, from FreeBMD, confirmed by GlosBMD;</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname  First name(s)  Mother/Spouse/Age  District  Vol  Page <br />
Marriages Dec 1926 <br />
Grainger  Florence  McLellan  Gloucester  6a 582 <br />
McLellan  Samuel J  Grainger  Gloucester  6a 582  </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry<br />
MCLELLAN Samuel James GRAINGER Florence Gloucester Gloucester St Mary de Lode  1926 33 No 10 114<br />
MCLELLAN Samuel James WORRAL Florence Gloucester Gloucester St Mary de Lode  1926 33 No 10 114<br />
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<p>--</p>
<p>Seems she was unlucky in love !<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname  First name(s)  Mother/Spouse/Age  District  Vol  Page <br />
Marriages Sep 1950 <br />
COLLINS  Joseph C  McLELLAN  Gloucester C.  7b 1123<br />
McLellan  Florence  Collins  Gloucester C.  7b 1123  </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Marriage Details<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry<br />
COLLINS Joseph Charles MCLELLAN Florence Gloucester Gloucester St Luke the Less with St Stephen  1950 30 No 7 330<br />
COLLINS Joseph Charles WOWELL Florence Gloucester Gloucester St Luke the Less with St Stephen  1950 30 No 7 330<br />
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Think this is Florence's death record, her given age fits the 1895 birth record.<br />
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Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Deaths Jun 1963<br />
COLLINS  FLORENCE  68  GLOUCESTER C.  7B 462</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   DoB   District   Vol   Page <br />
Deaths Jun 1976<br />
COLLINS  JOSEPH CHARLES  20OC1904  GLOUCESTER  22 1782 <br />
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<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)      District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Dec 1904   (&gt;99%)<br />
Collins  Joseph Charles    Gloucester  6a 335</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
COLLINS Joseph Charles MERRIMAN 1904 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 82 215</span></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a Funeral Report for Henry Grainger of 10 Clare Street, Gloucester  in the Gloucester Citizen on 16 April 1924. This states that Henry died in Gloucester Royal Hospital. Among the principal mourners were:<br />
Mrs H Grainger (widow)<br />
Mr &amp; Mrs H Grainger (father &amp; mother)<br />
Mrs J McRea, Mrs D Tea, Mrs W Johnson, Miss Bessie Grainger, Miss Ada Grainger, Miss Emma Grainger and Miss Florrie Grainger (sisters)<br />
Mr Joe Grainger (brother)<br />
<strong>Mr &amp; Mrs W Worrall (father in law and mother in law)</strong></p>
<p>This would appear to confirm that the death recorded in 1924 is not Henry who married Rita Manns.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks M, I was beginning to have doubts abt Henry dying in 1924. </p>
<p>Is this his death, in Stroud as you suggest ?</p>
<p>On FreeBMD but not on GlosBMD<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Deaths Dec 1953   (&gt;99%)<br />
GRANGER  Henry J  57  Stroud</span></p>
<p>Aged 57 so born abt 1896 as you said.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WW1 records for</p>
<p>Henry James GRANGER of 49 Upton Street, Gloucester (approx 5 pages)</p>
<p>Religion was : WESLYAN - (so assume married in the Register Office because of this!)</p>
<p>Discharged from the Territorial Force 12 October 1915</p>
<p>and was a Cyclist with the S Midlands - at Warwick</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom has 3 <strong>GRANGER </strong>- mother's maiden name: MANNS : Gloucester</p>
<p>Queenie GRANGER - March Qtr 1918<br />
Henry J GRANGER - Dec Qtr 1919<br />
Joyce M GRANGER - June Qtr 1922</p>
<p><br />
There is on Ancestry - various information on the above.</p>
<p>----</p>
<p>Henry James GRANGER - married Elizabeth Myrtle MERRETT - Gloucester Register Office 1924   (July/August/Sept Qtr)</p>
<p>Also</p>
<p>???</p>
<p><br />
 Henry James GRANGER appears on the 1939 Census in Dursley  + WW1 records</p>
<p>Henry J GRANGER<br />
birth date: 28 March 1896<br />
3 Bell Cottage, Cambridge, Dursley, Gloucestershire, England</p>
<p>Occupation: Railway labourer repair</p>
<p>Wife:  Myrtle E GRANGER - (Elizabeth M - written above Myrtle)</p>
<p>'this records is officialy closed.</p>
<p>Myrtle Esther GRANGER  (married name entered as DAVIS)</p>
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<p><br />
1952 Stroud</p>
<p>GRANGER</p>
<p>Henry J - Chapel  Street, Gossington<br />
Mrytle E - ditto</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi and welcome to the forum.<br />
Must be brief at the mo, but yes it does seem likely they both died at the same time and from the same cause.</p>
<p>Do you know whereabouts in Gloucestershire they died ?</p>
<p>I cannot find their deaths in GlosBMD site.  ??<br />
<a href="http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx">http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx</a></p>
<p>But I can find the following, apparently Rita's home parish was within Gloucester itself. That would appear to explain why I'm struggling to find either of the couple in any of this site's FoD Parish Records.<br />
I see both GlosBMD and FreeBMD spell the name GRANGER not GraInger, I say this as FreeBMD requires exact spelling match to find relevant record.</p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Birth Details<br />
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry<br />
MANNS Rita Mabel BROWNING 1895 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 64 252</span></p>
<p>I cannot find a definite Birth record for Henry J Grainger/Granger anywhere in the UK in 1895, the nearest I can find is in Liverpool, is this him ? (NOTE the FreeBMD results show his is a common name across the UK)<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Births Jun 1896   (&gt;99%)<br />
GRANGER  Henry James     Toxteth Park  8b 176 </span></p>
<p>This is definitely them tho;<br />
<span style="color:#006;">Marriage Details<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry<br />
GRANGER Henry James MANNS Rita Mabel Gloucester Gloucester Register Office  1915 27 42</span></p>
<p>FreeBMD has a death record for Rita but apparently NOT Henry, whether spelt Granger or Grainger, odd ??<span style="color:#006;"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#006;">Surname   First name(s)   Age   District   Vol   Page <br />
Deaths Jun 1924<br />
Granger  Rita M  29  Gloucester  6a 323</span></p>
<p><br />
The &quot;Gloucester&quot; Reg District is detailed here, and includes the older South Hamlet one. <br />
<a href="https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/gloucester.html">https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/gloucester.html</a></p>
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Have you tried the following possible sources of info ?<br />
1. Their death certificates will probably give some indication.<br />
2. Have you tried the Inquests section of this website, see under &quot;Resources&quot; on top menu bar ?<br />
3. The old newspapers which I'd expect to report such an unusual event ?<br />
All the Gloster papers (Citizen, Journal etc) may be found archive within the BNA website, links and advice to use it may be found in this older post.<br />
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This married couple both died in Gloucestershire in June 1924, both at the young age of 29rs. Very unusual for husband and wife to die at the same time!</p>
<p>I am wondering from an accident or contagious disease perhaps</p>
<p>Any help would be appreciated</p>
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