Forest of Dean FHT Forum - 2 x Giles Griffiths - common ancestry

2 x Giles Griffiths - common ancestry (reply)

Jenny White — Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:23:08 +0000

Found the other Giles Griffiths in 1851

Giles Griffiths abt 1801 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean Gloucestershire
View Record Giles Griffiths abt 1841 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
View Record Henry Griffiths abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
View Record Sarah Griffiths abt 1791 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean Gloucestershire
View Record Thomas Griffiths abt 1838 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Gloucestershire

Jenny

2 x Giles Griffiths - common ancestry (reply)

carol griffiths — Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:44:38 +0000

Hm!

Only Giles I can come up with in Ruardean apart from our Griffiths are a scattering of Giles Brains. I used IGI search forename Giles.
Time to get thinking Jenny :)

Carol

2 x Giles Griffiths - common ancestry (reply)

Jenny White — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:27:19 +0000

After looking on the IGI and with help from Nolene and her Ruardean Parish Records Carol and I have put together the following scenario for both the Giles Griffiths. It looks as though both Giles have a grandfather in common as I think their fathers were brothers. Following the trail leads us possibly to a John GRIFIT and Dorothy who married sometime before 1679.

John GRIFIT and Dorothy married before 1679

Children:
Mary bap 1679
John bap 1682
Tho. Bap 1684
Ann bap 1690
Sarah bap 1693
John bap 1695
Luke bap 1697
Elizabeth bap 10/12/1699
Jane bap 1701
Godfrey bap 1703

Elizabeth GRIFFITHS bap 10/12/1699 had base born child
John GRIFFITS base son of Elizabeth baptised 28 Sept 1733 Ruardean, Glos

John GRIFFITS married Sarah JONES 1 May 1755 at Ruardean after Banns
Children: All baptised Ruardean
John Griffitts baptised 28 Mar 1756
Sarah bap 5 mar 1758
Thomas Griffiths baptised 20 April 1760
Mary bap 10 Apr 1763
Elizabeth bap 15 May 1768
Elinor bap 26 Mar 1771

John GRIFFITS (baptism date 28 March 1756) married Sarah HARRISON 16 Sept 1780 Ruardean
Children: All baptised Ruardean
John Griffiths bap 28 Jan 1781
Susanna bap 27 July 1783
Hannah bap 12 Nov 1786
James bap 6 Sept 1789
Thomas bap 23 Jan 1792
Giles Griffiths bap 10 April 1796

Thomas GRIFFITHS (baptism date 20 April 1760) married Mary (unknown)
Children: All baptised Ruardean
Thomas bap 25 Aug 1782
Giles bap 5 Dec 1784 – buried 19 Oct 1788
John bap 10 Jun 1787
Amelia bap 3 Jan 1790
Elizabeth bap 9 Sept 1792
Giles Griffiths bap 24 May 1795
William bap 11 Feb 1798
Hannah bap 1 Sept 1799
William bap 24 Oct 1802
Kitty bap 14 April 1805

It looks as though the two Giles Griffiths born about the same time are born to two brothers John Griffiths and Thomas Griffiths. Their parents were John Griffiths and Sarah Jones.

So where does the name Giles Griffiths come from??.

Jenny

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean (reply)

Jenny White — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:22:49 +0000

Hi Lorian,

I am glad you managed to get my e-mail. I read your post and you looked to be asking for information on who Thomas Griffiths mother was and who his sisters Alice and Amelia Jane married. I know who two of them married and if you look at this thread you will see that the Griffiths line has been traced further back.

I have also managed to find more information on this branch possibly going back to 1733.

If you still need the information on Thomas Griffiths mother and sisters please let me know.

Regards

Jenny

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean (reply)

Lorian — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:29:51 +0000

Hi Jenny.
Thanks for your e-mail have tried sending you a message but for some reason it returned it to me, Yes looks as though we are related distantly What info can i help you with slowhands seems to have helped me alot just trying to fit it all together. I will try e-mailing you again I to live near Doncaster what coincidence.speak soon . Regards Lorian

Nailbridge (reply)

Lorian — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:21:29 +0000

Thanks to you for all your info just trying to fit it all together dosent it seem complicated sometimes, good job there are people like you around to help us women out.

Giles Griffiths - the 2 x 1841 entries - (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:13:30 +0000

1841 Ruardean Village HO107/365/10 folio 9
Sinder Hill -( Cinderhill )

Giles GRIFFITHS 40 Collier
Sarah 45
Mary 20
James 15
Ann 10
George 8 ?
Henry 6
Thomas 4
Giles 1

1841 Newmans Bottom ( near High Beech)
Giles GRIFFITHS Giles 45
Sarah 40
Elizabeth 20
Eliza 15
Giles 3
Catherine 6 months

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean (reply)

carol griffiths — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:09:15 +0000

This certainly sounds like our Sarah, nee Morgan.

You are going great guns!

Does this mean that the parish buried her do you think?

How did you get your hands on the info?

I would love a copy of whatever it is that gives details of parish relief, overseers books etc, can you buy them online? I ask as i have some great info for my Bedfordshier rellies from these sources.

Now i really must go and watch that blooming footie!

Carol

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean (reply)

Jenny White — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:03:28 +0000

Re Sarah Griffiths wife of Giles. There are two Giles both married to Sarah's.

There is a Sarah Griffiths burial on 9 Jun 1855 and she is aged 58 of East Dean. I think this is the Sarah married to Giles in East Dean with daughter Catherine.

I have just found this extract from the internet of parishioners who received "Outdoor relief April to September 1866". Ruardean (Ross Union) Payments made at Drybrook Fridays 1pm.

There is included in the list a Sarah Griffiths age 77, "Dead"

Could this be the other Sarah, the one I think is mine? She was alive in 1861 on the census. Doesn't seem to appear on 1871.

Jenny

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean (reply)

carol griffiths — Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:18:51 +0000

Just an update re I got Giles Griffiths birth cert- born 1840 Ruardean, son of Giles and Sarah Griffiths - the ones with daughter Mary in 1841 census.
We now know that Sarahs maiden name was Morgan, doesnt that just narrow it down:)

Carol

Nailbridge (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:57:44 +0000

Lorian
Narebridge is just a poor transcription of Nailbridge nr Drybrook.

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean Village (reply)

carol griffiths — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:33:14 +0000

Aha!
Takes me a while but sometimes I get there.

1861 already provided to me by slowhands

1861 Turners Tump
Sarah Griffiths abt 1787 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Ruardean Gloucestershire
Henry Griffiths abt 1835 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean
Gloucestershire
Giles Griffiths abt 1857 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales GrandSon
Ruardean Gloucestershire

This looks like the Giles Griffiths family Im interested in, theres a Sarah and a Henry that match the 1841 Griffiths lot that has Mary . Question is why is Giles senior with James whom Im also linking to this family.

im not getting there,
help!

carol

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean Village (reply)

carol griffiths — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:24:03 +0000

Im really excited about the 1841 entry for Giles Griffiths with daughter Mary.

I see there are 2 1851 giles Griffiths entries and both married sarahs.

As the "other" Giles Griffiths had a baby Catherine in 1841 Im thinking "my" (possibly) Giles is not the one shown on 1851 census, ie the one who had Mary and James in 1841. My reasoning is that the Giles on 1851 census has a 10 year old Catherine who would fit in with baby Catherine 1841.

Can anyone, ie Slowhands let us see 1851 census for the other Giles Griffiths, ie the one with no Catherine.

Hope Im making sense.

Carol

GRIFFITHS Nailbridge/Drybrook (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:29:07 +0000

1841 HO 107 /365 /10 folio 10
Ruardean Sind Hill (?) ( Cash hill )
Sarah HATTON Widow/er 60 Y
Jane 20 Ind Y
James 17(?) Collier Y

GRIFFITHS Nailbridge/Drybrook (reply)

Jenny White — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:45:08 +0000

Slowhands,

Thank you for your help.

Jenny

GRIFFITHS Nailbridge/Drybrook (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:30:38 +0000

1851 east dean entry
HATTON Sarah Widow/er 70 Not Known Ruardean
James 27 Coal Miner Ruardean
GRIFFITHS James Married 24 Coal Miner Ruardean
Jane 29 wife Ruardean
James 4 Ruardean
George 1 Ruardean

GRIFFITHS Nailbridge/Drybrook (reply)

Jenny White — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:40:41 +0000

Hello Slowhands,

I can see from the census information you very kindly provided regarding James Griffiths and his wife Jane that you have a potential surname for Jane of HATTON?.

Could you let me know where this information is from please. This is the first time I have seen a maiden name for Jane and would be keen to follow this up.

Many thanks for all your help.

Regards

Jenny - who has just discovered she is researching the same family as Lorian.

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean Village ( amended 16/10/05) (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:59:20 +0000

1841 Ruardean Village HO107/365/10 folio 9
Sinder Hill

Giles GRIFFITHS 40 Collier
Sarah 45
Mary 20
James 15
Ann 10
George 8 ?
Henry 6
Thomas 4
Giles 1

All born in County

1851
Giles Griffiths abt 1801 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean Gloucestershire
Sarah Griffiths abt 1791 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean Gloucestershire
Henry Griffiths abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Thomas Griffiths abt 1838 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Gloucestershire
Giles Griffiths abt 1841 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean Gloucestershire

< now for the next generation !>

1861 Pludds / Ruardean Hill
Giles Griffiths abt 1801 Ruardean Father East Dean Gloucestershire
James Griffiths abt 1825 Ruardean Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Griffiths abt 1822 East Dean Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Griffiths abt 1854 East Dean Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
George Griffiths abt 1858 East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire
James Griffiths abt 1847 East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Griffiths abt 1852 East Dean Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
John Griffiths abt 1856 East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Turners Tump, Ruardean Gloucestershire
Sarah Griffiths abt 1787 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Henry Griffiths abt 1835 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Giles Griffiths abt 1857 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales GrandSon

Name: GRIFFITHS, Giles
Record Type: Deaths
Age at death: 10
Quarter: June
Year: 1866
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire Herefordshire Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 326

Giles Griffiths 1801 Ruardean (reply)

Jenny White — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:56:09 +0000

Hello Lorian

I have been reading the posts on your Griffiths with interest.

Some of these are my relatives.

The Amelia J Griffiths you mention is Amelia Jane Griffiths my great grandmother. Her mother's name was Harriet MEEK. James and Harriet moved with their family north, first to Chesterfield and then Amelia Jane married William George Cocksedge and moved to Barnsley area.

James Griffiths parents were James Griffiths and Jane and his grandfather was Giles Griffiths. Unfortunately I don't know which one as I believe there were two Giles born about the same time.

I would very much like to exchange information with you.

Hope to hear from you soon

Regards

Jenny

Thomas GRIFFITHS 1871 Nailbridge/Drybrook (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:04:01 +0000

1851
GRIFFITHS James Married 24 Coal Miner Ruardean
Jane 29 wife Ruardean ( nee HATTON ?)
James 4 Ruardean
George 1 Ruardean

1871 Morse Road Nailbridge
James Griffiths abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Griffiths abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Griffiths abt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Alice Griffiths abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Platts Common Hanshaw Terrace 31, Hoyland Nether, Yorkshire, England
James Griffiths abt 1844 Gloucestershire, England Head
Harriet Griffiths abt 1846 Lea Bailey Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife
Amelia J. Griffiths abt 1875 Narebridge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Ann A. Griffiths abt 1869 Dry Brook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Elizabeth W. Griffiths abt 1868 High Beech, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Tom Griffiths abt 1872 Narebridge, Gloucestershire, England Son

1891
Griffiths, James abt 1846 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Wombwell Yorkshire
Griffiths, Thomas abt 1871 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Wombwell Yorkshire

1891 Workhouse Farm Longford Rd
Smith, Benjamin abt 1836 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head Longford Gloucestershire
Smith, Esther abt 1844 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Longford Gloucestershire
Griffiths, Amelia abt 1872 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Niece Longford Gloucestershire
Griffiths, Rowland abt 1876 Nailbridge, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Longford Gloucestershire