Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Help tracing records of my great grandmother

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

madchick5 — Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:02:41 +0000

Hi, no problem. It was the people in the archives where I live that told me to request information, and I have to say, ours was extremely helpful. Good luck on your search. Dawn

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

tichfen — Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:50:45 +0000

Hi, Thanks a lot for that bit of info about the Coroner I might go down that line for my great aunt. Hope you manage to get what your looking for.

Regards Tichfen.

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

madchick5 — Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:29:27 +0000

Hi, thank you so much for that information. I think my dad and I are going to take a trip to the archives in Gloucester to see what we can find out. I have heard that about the 100 years, but I have also heard that if you get special permission from
Coroners office then sometimes they can be released. Hope this might help you

Regards
Dawn

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

tichfen — Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:15:17 +0000

I believe it comes under the 100 year rule. I had a great aunt that was also at Barnwood House she died in 1925 and I don't think I can access her medical records yet. If you go into your search engine and type Barnwood House Mental Hospital Gloucestershire it brings up good information on the hospital with some pictures and how to get any info. Gloucestershire Archives also have on the web information on Lunatic Asylum and Mental Health Hospital Records so it might be worth taken a look at that as well. All the best

Regards Tichfen.

George Marshal EDEN (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:27:28 +0000

Ooh, could well be. But he obviously didn't want to know her as she married
James in 1881 then.

George Marshall EDEN (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:25:18 +0000

Knowing how my x Great Aunt named her illegitimate son with the father's name (and have seen this before!)

Do wonder whether this could be the father

George MARSHALL age 22 - an Ag. Lab and the son of the owner running the Kings Head at Shipston on Stour in 1881 - (page 28 of 39 and Julia is on page 33)

George Marshal EDEN (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:11:19 +0000

So that would be before she had the other boys (my grandfather) and before she married my great grandfather James Walton?

George Marshall EDEN (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:01:36 +0000

Looking at the CLDS

Julia had a son George Marshall EDEN christened 23 October 1880 at Shipston on Stour, and whose death is registered O/N/D Qtr 1880 - so another thing on her mind!

James EDEN & Harriet WEBSTER - Marriage 1842 (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:29:48 +0000

I saw a programme like that about Asylums, very sad. Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it.

William WALTON - 1883 (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:27:40 +0000

Just watched the programme about women being locked for decades after suffering postnatal depression and the terrible treatments they were given to try and make them well. May be Julia suffered as from this. Will have a look for William.

As you probably know - on the 1911 Census, he is living at 69 Foleshill Road, Coventry and a Carman for the Railways L & N.W.
age 27 and single.

Ancestry do have railway records

James EDEN & Harriet WEBSTER - Marriage 1842 (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:24:42 +0000

Ji, I amkind of ok with the Walton line, I have some information. I know my grandfather was Albert Edward Walton and he was born in 1887, William was his brother. I don't know what has happened to William. My grandfather Albert died in 1957, when my dad was 8. He had a hard life, information of hat we got from the coroners report from Carmarthenshire. If you have any further info then I would be extremely grateful. Julia, his mother was in an institute for 30 years, after he was born.

James EDEN & Harriet WEBSTER - Marriage 1842 (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:14:36 +0000

Are you O.K. with the Walton Line?

That's on Public Members Tree as well: i.e William Henry WALTON & Mary Ann SPENCER

? a few James WALTON's

1881 Census, Marston Sicca, Gloucestershire

Mason Arms

William WALTON - 68, A/G - born Quinton
James - 36

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:06:56 +0000

Thank you very much for the information. Do you know by any chance if they release details? She died in 1941, aged 82?

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

tichfen — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:57:11 +0000

Barnwood House was opened in 1860 founded by The Gloucester Asylum Trust as a private mental hospital it was closed in 1968. They do hold records of this hospital in The Gloucestershire Archives. Hope you find what your looking for Regards Tichfen.

James EDEN & Harriet WEBSTER - Marriage 1842 (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:52:36 +0000

Hi, Thanks. I am online searching away now on ancestry and find my past. I have some info, and on the census it says that Julia was born at sea on 1901 and 1911 census when she was in the asylums.

James EDEN & Harriet WEBSTER - Marriage 1842 (reply)

MPGriffiths — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:35:39 +0000

On Ancestry (also quite of number of Public Members Trees with this couple and lots of info)

Copy of Banns Entry - Shipston on Stour

27 November, 4 December, 11 December

James EDEN ** & Harriet WEBSTER - both of this Parish

children:

Elen - 1844-1886
Eliza - 1846
Rose Ann - 1848-1904
James - 1851
George - 1852
John - 1885
Clara - 1856-1939
Julia - 1858
Harriet - 1860

James was born 1823, Brailes, Warwickshire - burial at Leamington Priors, All Saints, Warwickshire - 27 Jun 1868

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:54:22 +0000

That's amazing, thank you so much. That's such a great help, I now need to find out why she was institutionalised. That's been very kind of you

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

shepway — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:39:09 +0000

Our assistance is therefore somewhat limited as this family is not in the Forest of Dean but on the border of North Gloucestershire and Warwickshire.

Here are some Census returns:
1851 Census:
House Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
13 James Eden Head 28 1823 Male Brailes, Warwickshire, England
13 Harriet Eden Wife 33 1818 Female Shipston, Worcestershire, England
13 Elen Eden Daughter 7 1844 Female Shipston, Worcestershire, England
13 Eliza Eden Daughter 5 1846 Female Shipston, Worcestershire, England
13 Rose Eden Daughter 3 1848 Female Shipston, Worcestershire, England
13 James Eden Son 2 Mo 1851 Male Shipston, Worcestershire, England

1861 Census:
Household Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
161 James Edden Head 38 1823 Male Brailes Warwickshire England
161 Harriett Edden Wife 41 1820 Female Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 Ellen Edden Daughter 16 1845 Female Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 Eliza Edden Daughter 14 1847 Female Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 Rose A Edden Daughter 12 1849 Female Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 James Edden Son 10 1851 Male Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 George Edden Son 9 1852 Male Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 John Edden Son 6 1855 Male Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England161
161 Clara Eden Daughter 4 1857 Female Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 Julia Eden Daughter 2 1859 Female Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England
161 Harriett Eden Daughter 7/12 1860 Female Shipston on Stour Worcestershire England

1871 Census:
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
159 Harriet Eden Head 52 1819 Female Shipston Warwickshire England
159 James Eden Son 19 1852 Male Shipston Warwickshire England
159 George Eden Son 17 1854 Male Shipston Warwickshire England
159 John Eden Son 15 1856 Male Shipston Warwickshire England
159 Clara Eden Daughter 13 1858 Female Shipston Warwickshire England
159 Julia Eden Daughter 11 1860 Female Shipston Warwickshire England

1881 Census:
Address Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Parkers Yard Holbourne St Harriet Edden Head Widow 63 1818 Female W Shipston Worcestershire England Blind
Parkers Yard Holbourne St Julia Edden Daughter 22 1859 Female General Servt Shipston Worcestershire England
Parkers Yard Holbourne St Florance Bateman Granddaughter 9 1872 Female Birmingham Warwickshire England

You will sees that James Eden, father and who is described as a Tailor is missing after 1861 and it is possible that he died. Here is a death registration:
Name: James Eden
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Warwick
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 304

This would appear to be the marriage of James and Harriet:
Marriages Dec 1842
EDEN James Shipston on Stour 11 486
Webster Harriet Shipston on Stour 11 486

and this is Julia's birth registration:
Name: Julia Edden
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1858
Registration District: Shipston On Stour
County: Warwickshire
Event Place: Shipston On Stour, Warwickshire, England
Volume: 6D
Page: 507
Line Number: 10

and this may be her death registration:
Deaths Sep 1941
Walton Julia 82 Warwick 6d 1092

Mike

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

madchick5 — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:38:50 +0000

Yes, this is them :-) that's fab!! Thank you

Help tracing records of my great grandmother (reply)

shepway — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:28:19 +0000

We find this marriage in 1881:
Marriages Dec 1881
Eden Julia Stratford 6d 995
Walton James Stratford 6d 995

And three children:Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WALTON Albert E WALTON WALTON EDEN 1887 North Cotswolds Shipston-on-Stour, Blockley 1 11
WALTON John E WALTON WALTON EDEN 1885 North Cotswolds Shipston-on-Stour, Chipping Campden 15 129
WALTON William WALTON WALTON EDEN 1883 North Cotswolds Shipston-on-Stour, Chipping Campden

1901 Census
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
84 James Walton Head 51 1850 Male Quinton, Gloucestershire, England
84 William Walton Wife 17 1884 Quinton, Gloucestershire, England
84 John E Walton Son 15 1886 Male Quinton, Gloucestershire, England
84 Albert E Walton Son 13 1888 Male Quinton, Gloucestershire, England

Is this the family you are looking for?

Mike