Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft - Burial

William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft - Burial (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 18 May 2008 08:41:39 +0000

perhaps he and his wife inherited - her father was a brickmaker in Coleford, his father was a colliery baliff.

William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft - Burial (reply)

awoodman — Sun, 18 May 2008 08:02:40 +0000

I am a bit confused as to where William Jones got his money from. Family legend has it that he was the richest person in Tewkesbury and that he was the first prson to own a certain type of car in Tewkesbury (Rolls Royce or a similar expensive brand, no one is entirely sure anymore). If he was only a collier as the records state then where did all this money come from? My Uncle says that he turned ordinary furniture items into antiques and sold them in America for a lot of money but if this is the case then how did he go from being a collier to an antique maker? If anyone has any suggestions I would be very interested to hear them as William featuers in many family legends.

William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft - Burial (reply)

awoodman — Sun, 18 May 2008 03:13:16 +0000

I know he sailed from New York but I cannot remember where they landed. I think it was Southampton but I need to check this with some relatives as they know more than me.

William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft - Burial (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 18 May 2008 02:45:12 +0000

Cunard White-Star Line
RMS Berengaria

http://www.ocean-liners.com/ships/imperator.asp

I 'm guessing New- York -> Southampton via Cherbourg or possibly Liverpool as UK landing point ?

William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft - Burial (reply)

awoodman — Sun, 18 May 2008 01:50:53 +0000

William died on the RMS Berencaria on the way back from Canada and his wife Emma paid for his body to be put in ice and brought back so he could be buried properly. Their grave can be found in Tewkesbury cemetery and is rather easy to spot as it is the biggest and consits of a large stone angel.

William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft - Burial (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 18 May 2008 01:17:26 +0000

71 and 74 can easily be confused esp if the headstone has worn or is covered with moss etc

I cannot spot a William JONES in Apr 1935 registerd in Forest of Dean - another clue ?? !

William Henry JONES 1861Whitecroft (reply)

awoodman — Sun, 18 May 2008 01:07:51 +0000

I am a bit confused becasue according to William's grave (which I have seen) he was 71 when he died in 1935. Admitedly the grave was not that easy to read but what makes you think that this is the same William? Thankyou very much for all your information, it has been most useful as I didn't know his wife's maiden name. I cannot thank you enough for your help.

William Henry JONES m 1881 Emma Jane EDWARDS 1859 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:55:53 +0000

Name: Emma Jane Edwards
William Henry Jones
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 52

associated thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=4859#p4884

Year: 1859
Month: Sep
Day: 18
Parents Surname: EDWARDS
Child Forenames: Emma Jane
Father's Forenames: Josiah
Mother's Forenames: Mary
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Coleford
Occupation: Brickmaker
Officiating Minister: J L Sisson D.D.
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P93 IN I/6
Page No: 15
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

Henry JONES m Amelia BLANCH 1860 Whitecroft (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:45:43 +0000

Year: 1860
Month: Apr
Day: 28

Groom Surname: JONES
Groom Forenames: Henry
Groom Age at Marriage: 22
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: Whitecroft
Groom Father's Surname: Jones
Groom Father's Forenames: James
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer

Bride Surname: BLANCH
Bride Forenames: Amelia
Bride Age at Marriage: 22
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Whitecroft
Bride Father's Surname: Blanch
Bride Father's Forenames: Stephen
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Cordwainer
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: both mark
Witness 1: James Wintle Blanch
Witness 2: Esther James
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda: Incumbent
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page No: 229
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1851
Henry Janes abt 1820 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellin Janes abt 1815 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Janes abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Jones abt 1847 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Jones abt 1850 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelia Blanch abt 1838 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Blanch abt 1836 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire

1841 Berry Hill
Stephen Blank abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ellen Blank abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Emmalio Blank abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Blank abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
William Blank abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

and associated thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=7853#p7855

William Henry JONES 1861 Whitecroft (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:30:01 +0000

This is starting to look like "him" with brothers Ray and Riley

Year: 1861
Month: Feb
Day: 10
Parents Surname: JONES
Child Forenames: William Henry
Father's Forenames: Henry
Mother's Forenames: Amelia
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Whitecroft
Occupation: Collier
Officiating Minister: Alen C. Ponton Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register Reference: P245 IN 1/12
Page No: 75
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1861
Henry Jones abt 1839 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelia Jones abt 1839 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William H Jones abt 1861 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Henry Jones abt 1837 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelia Jones abt 1838 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Jones abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Jones abt 1864 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick Jones abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Jones abt 1862 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Jones abt 1866 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Raymond Jones abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Riley Jones abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William B. Jones abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

William Henry JONES 1862/3 Whitecroft (reply)

awoodman — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:24:30 +0000

This looks to be the same people as my William married an Emma Jane and one of the daughters was Maud who is my ggrandmother. Thankyou so much for this information, it is really helpful as I did not know all of his children's names.

William Jones born in 1863/64 (reply)

awoodman — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:21:23 +0000

To check that our William's are the same do you know who he married or who his children were as there seems to be a lot of William Joness. I have posted a bit more information on my original message so you can check if our William's match by using that. Thankyou very much for your help so far.

William Henry JONES 1862/3 Whitecroft (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:02:17 +0000

a few more clues might help save time !
< thanks for updating your notes - that really helps !>

unless its this one from Whitecroft

Year: 1882
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Parents Surname: JONES
Child Forenames: Rose Amelia Mary
Father's Forenames: William Henry
Mother's Forenames: Emma Jane
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Parkend
Occupation: Collier
Officiating Minister: Jno. Josh Elsworth Vicar
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 25 Dec 1881
Notes:
Register Reference: P245 IN 1/12
Page No: 46
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1891 Railway Inn
Henry Jones abt 1863 Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Jane Jones abt 1860 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Dearah Jones abt 1886 United States Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Jones abt 1884 United States Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Herbert Jones abt 1888 United States Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Maud Jones abt 1890 Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rose Jones abt 1882 Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
William H Jones abt 1862 Whitecross, Gloucestershire, England Head Awre, Gloucestershire
Emma J Jones abt 1861 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Awre, Gloucestershire
Dora Jones abt 1886 United States Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Jones abt 1884 United States Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Harold Jones abt 1899 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Herbert Jones abt 1889 United States Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Maud Jones abt 1891 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Raymond S Jones abt 1893 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Riley Jones abt 1898 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Rose A M Jones abt 1882 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Wilfred Baden Jones abt 1900 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
William H Jones abt 1895 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire

William JONES 1864/5 Yorkley (reply)

awoodman — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:54:33 +0000

According to my research my William was married to an Emma and their first child was born in 1886 so I don't think the William in the census information you sent me is a possible candidate. I also know his second child (Maud Jones) was born in 1889 at the Railway Inn in Park End so when he married he stayed in the same area. Thankyou anyway for your help, it is much appreciated.

James WEBB 1859 Oldcroft/Soilwell, Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 16 May 2008 22:19:23 +0000

needs some further work - James WEBB shows in 1901 as a Brother ????

Soilwell is near both Oldcroft / Viney Hill and is sometimes referred to as Blakeney...

1861 Oldcroft
Samuel Webb abt 1821 Coaley, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan Webb abt 1827 Much Marcle, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elias Webb abt 1853 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Webb abt 1847 Coaley, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Webb abt 1859 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Webb abt 1858 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Oldcroft
Samuel Webb 52
Susannah Webb 48
Emily Webb 5
James Webb 12
Jane Webb 2
Joseph Webb 14
Ruth Webb 9 months
Tom Webb 8

1891
James Webb abt 1860 Biney Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head Worsborough, Yorkshire
Samuel Webb abt 1883 Worsborough, Yorkshire, England Son Worsborough, Yorkshire
Sarah J Webb abt 1881 Hemsworth, Yorkshire, England Daughter Worsborough, Yorkshire
Eliza Dicks abt 1862 Joybord, Gloucestershire, England Servant Worsborough, Yorkshire
Louisa Dicks abt 1884 Joybord, Gloucestershire, England Servant Daughter (Servant) Worsborough, Yorkshire

William Jones born in 1863/64 (reply)

kateJ — Fri, 16 May 2008 11:43:50 +0000

Hi, this is my family, I have quite a large family tree Starts with James Jones 1763, then William Jones b 1796 married to Mary Miles b 1805. It is far to large to put on this forum. Let me know how you would like me to send it to you.
Kath Jones

William Jones m Elizabeth Martin 1859 (reply)

ChrisW — Fri, 16 May 2008 11:25:41 +0000

A possible for marriage of William's parents?

Record_ID: 37317
Entry Number: 298
Year: 1859
Month: Jul
Day: 12
Groom Surname: JONES
Groom Forenames: William
Groom Age at Marriage: 30
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: East Dean
Groom Father's Surname: Jones
Groom Father's Forenames: William
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Collier
Bride Surname: MARTIN
Bride Forenames: Elizabeth
Bride Age at Marriage: 22
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: East Dean
Bride Father's Surname: Martin
Bride Father's Forenames: Charles
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both mark
Witness 1: Mark of Richard Martin
Witness 2: Hager Jones
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: T. G. Smythies
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P85/1 IN 1/4
Page No: 149
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns
Soundex Groom: J520
Soundex Bride: M635

William JONES 1864/5 Yorkley (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 16 May 2008 10:47:45 +0000

Candidate ?

1861 Slade
William Jones abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Betsy Jones abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Jones abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Martin abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister-in-law West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Yorkley Slade
William Jones 42
Elizabeth Jones 33
Charles Jones 4
Elizabeth Jones 1
Mary Jones 11
Rhoda Jones 9
William Jones 6

1881 Yorkley
William Jones abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1838 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amy Jones abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Jones abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Kate Jones abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Francis Maynard Jones abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy Jones abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Jones abt 1864 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Williams Jones abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 Yorkley Slade
William Jones abt 1828 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizath Jones abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amy Jones abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Celia E Jones abt 1885 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Jones abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth A Jones abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily K Jones abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Francis M Jones abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901 Yorkley Slade
William Jones abt 1864 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Emily Jones abt 1867 Viney Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Frank Jones abt 1895 Yorkley Slade, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Gilbert L Jones abt 1897 Yorkley Slade, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Gladys A Jones abt 1900 Yorkley Slade, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
James Webb abt 1860 Loilwell Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Brother West Dean, Monmouthshire

William Henry Jones born in 1861

awoodman — Fri, 16 May 2008 02:08:53 +0000

I am trying to trace this ancestor's parents and his family as unfortunately I don't know anything about them. I know William was 74 (according to his grave) when he died on 23/4/1935 so he was either born in 1860 or 1861 in Whitecroft (according to my family). I also know that he married an Emma Jane Edwards who was born in 1859. Their first child was a Rose Amelia Mary (b.1881 in Parkend) and their other children that I know of were Dora, Herbert, Maud, Gertrude, Raymond, William, Riley, Harold and Wilfred. The family moved between Canada and England so some of there children are registered as being born in the United States (Dora, Herbert and Gertrude). In the First World War William served with the 1st Canadian BEF and died in 1916. William Henry Jones died on the way back from Canada on the Cunard White Star Line RMS Berengaria and Emma paid for his body to be put in ice so that he could be buried in Tewkesbury rather than at sea. As that is all I know about him I would be grateful if anyone knows a more exact date of birth or who his parents were. Thankyou very much for any assistance you are able to give.