Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William Henry SCRIVENS b1860 Joyford -prior thread

William Henry SCRIVENS b1860 Joyford -prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:35:14 +0000

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=2497#p2497

Barnabas SMITH Born 1793 English Bicknor (reply)

aayres — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:24:30 +0000

How lovely, we share a great great grandmother! I did have Sarah as Willings at first but was advised that she was probably Williams - I love trying to picture these people, and i find Sarah very interesting. she must have had a hard life making ends meet, especially after Josiah died,and still seems to have been quite poor after marrying Barnabus. And all those children! I do have the 1841 census, also 1851 and 1861 showing that your great grandmother was still living with Sarah then, after Barnabus had died. Presumably the grandson William on that census is your grandfather? I would love to know what happened to them, and also if you have any information on descendants of the rest of the children, Scrivens or Smith.I suppose we are third half-cousins, if that relationship exists!obviously i can tell you about my Smith side, and will happily do so - you can email me direct on martandang@btinternet.com

William Henry Scrivens b1860 (reply)

ChrisW — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:13:49 +0000

I think you may be right!

Record_ID: 126877
Entry_Number: 982
Year: 1860
Month: Apr
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: SCRIVENS
Child_Forenames: William Henry
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Joyford Lane
Occupation: Single woman
Officiating_Minister: John Temple Off:Minr.
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 in 1/5
Page_Number: 123
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor
Soundex: S615

Barnabas SMITH Born 1793 English Bicknor (reply)

echapple — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:36:41 +0000

This response will not assist you in your enquiry, but I could not resist making the connection. Barnabas Smith's wife Sarah who was Sarah Willings not Williams is my Great, Great, Grandmother. Her daughter Anne, born 3/5/1834, by her first marriage to Josiah Scrivens was my Great Grandmother. My Grandfather William Henry Scrivens must have been illegitimate as I can find no husband for Anne. She shows up as living with Barnabus and his family in the 1841 census.

Elizabth SMITH m William PHILIPS 1794 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:39:27 +0000

It is speculation , but you need to start with a number of possibles and start eliminating some or all !

Elizabth SMITH m William PHILIPS 1794 (reply)

aayres — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:56:24 +0000

Thanks for this - i had seen it before but thought it was just speculation. I'm just a beginner at all this - in your experience, will there be any way of proving these connections, or must it remain a guess? for example, if i looked at the original records at her 'mark' would it be distinctive and match anything on Barnabus's baptism record?

Elizabth SMITH m William PHILIPS 1794 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:01:59 +0000

I wonder if this "long shot" is the missing Elizabeth ?

Year: 1794
Month: Jul
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: PHILLIPS
Grooms_Forenames: W[illia]m
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]

Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: ditto
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [no register fou
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Rich[ar]d Terrett
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cor[neliu]s Marfell
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Only one witness
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1796
Month: Jul
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: PHILLIPS
Child_Forenames: Thos
Fathers_Forenames: Wm
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 in 1/3
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

is this William ? ages could be questioned ?

1841 Berry Hill
William Phillips abt 1771 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire Blacksmith
James Phillips abt 1756 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire Collier
Elizabeth Phillips abt 1789 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1844
Month: May
Day: 23
Surname: PHILLIPS
Forenames: Williams
Residence: Joyford
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: T.R.Garnsey
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/13
Page_No: 7
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

did Thomas move to South Wales ???

1841
Thomas Phillips abt 1796 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Phillips abt 1801 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Edward Phillips abt 1821 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Phillips abt 1827 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire
James Phillips abt 1833 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Mary Phillips abt 1830 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire
William Phillips abt 1826 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire

1851 Trvethin
Thomas Phillips 56 Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Phillips 57 Hayney, Breconshire, Wales
Elizabeth Phillips 22 Pentwage, Monmouthshire, Wales
James Phillips 18 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales
Mary Phillips 20 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wale

Barnabas SMITH 1793-1853 Joyford - prior Threads (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:45:05 +0000

Year: 1793
Month: Jun
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Barnabas
Fathers_Forenames:
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 in 1/3
Page_Number: 40
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Barnabas Smith 1793

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=3796#p4570

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=2497#p2497

Year: 1853
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Surname: SMITH
Forenames: Barnabas
Residence: Joyford Lane
Age_at_death: 59
Officiating_Minister: M.W.Palliser Offg.Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: from 1813
Page_No: 102
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Barnabas SMITH Born 1793 English Bicknor

aayres — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:32:18 +0000

Is anyone else researching the family of my great great grandfather Barnabas SMITH? Born 1793 English Bicknor, also died there 1853. His mother was Elizabeth Smith and I guess he was illegitimate as no father mentioned.Have looked at several Elizabeths but nothing proven.
I have full details of his marriage to Sarah Scrivens (a widow, previously Williams)and all his children, then down the line through his son James, his son Timothy, his son Horace... to me!
Any contact with the family would be much appreciated.