Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge 1887

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge 1887 (reply)

tschaka — Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:01:37 +0000

Hello all,

James Milliner 1733-1805
5th great-grandfather
James Milliner 1757-1823
Son of James Milliner
Issac Milliner 1789-1853
Son of James Milliner
William Milliner 1817-1892
Son of Issac Milliner
William Milliner 1852-1909
Son of William Milliner
Arthur Andrew Henry Milliner 1904-1979
Son of William Milliner
David A F H Roussel-Milner 1938-2009
Son of Arthur Andrew Henry Milliner
Richard Tschaka Roussel-Milner
I am the son of David A F H Roussel-Milner

If DNA evidence helps, I have a DNA connection who also traces their family back to William Milliner's Great Grandfather James Milliner b. 1733. And also another to Thomas Bond b. 1737, William's maternal Great Grandfather:

Thomas Bond 1737-1790
5th great-grandfather
James Bond 1768-1830
Son of Thomas Bond
Sarah Bond 1790-1860
Daughter of James Bond
William Milliner 1817-1892
Son of Sarah Bond
William Milliner 1852-1909
Son of William Milliner
Arthur Andrew Henry Milliner 1904-1979
Son of William Milliner
David A F H Roussel-Milner 1938-2009
Son of Arthur Andrew Henry Milliner
Richard Tschaka Roussel-Milner
I am the son of David A F H Roussel-Milner

This would suggest William Milliner wasn't adopted.

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge 1887 (reply)

Daffodil — Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:02:03 +0000

Dear zgilding,
I am researching the Milliner family at present and came across this thread. Francis Sidney was the uncle of my father in law (now 89).

His mother was Bertha Evelyn Milliner b. 1901 and his grandparents were George Milliner and Emma Burrows. I recently told him about this story but he says he cannot recall anything like it. My father in law has already researched some of his ancestors (pre computer era) but the only thing he could find at the time which might relate to William was a 1811 marriage between Isaac Milliner and Sarah Bond in the parish of Hawkesbury entry no. 108. Also, an entry in the parish records of Old Sodbury, 13 Mar 1785 the baptism of Mary daughter of Isaac and Hannah Milliner.

As he says this is not conclusive proof that either of these Isaacs are Williams father and mother. Perhaps Isaac married twice but William always states that he was born in Bath, Somerset on the census returns.

This is an fascinating story that may have been handed down by William himself - a man of mystery? Certainly the 1841 census HO107 2993 931 18 5, Bendalls Building Lyncombe & Widcome, Bath adds to the mystery. It is difficult to read but it appears that he was living in a household of servants at the time perhaps he was a foundling that ended up here when he was older.

I would love to know if anyone has found out more about the mysterious William since this was first posted.

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, Ruspidge 1886 - 1962 pt2 (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:05:21 +0000

potential children include :-

Name: Ralph V Milliner
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Davis
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 523

Name: Ronald L Milliner
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Davis
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 499

Name: Constance E Milliner
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Davis
District: Westbury
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 514

Name: Joan M Milliner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Davis
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1918
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 403

Name: Douglas F Milliner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Davis
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1920
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 679

Name: Marjorie N Milliner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Davis
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1921
Registration district: Westbury S.
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 493

Name: Bryan Milliner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Davis
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1922
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 514

Name: Betty Milliner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Davis
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1925
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 415

Name: Josephine R Milliner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Davis
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1927
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 369

Name: Glynys G Milliner
Mother's Maiden Surname: Davies
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1931
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 411

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge (reply)

glynn.wilson — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:29:50 +0000

frank milliner was my grandfather - my father is bryan milliner who is now 88 years old is one of frank,s sons and apart from glynn (my namesake) is the only surviving child. I guess that makes you and I cousins. I read your information (frank in the forest story) with great interest as i was also researching the family history and was unable to obtain any info on his birth - if I can be of any help in providing you with any info i will gladly

glynnis wilson (nee milliner)

MILLINER, Acton Turville (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:00:39 +0000

Looking back through the census data , there is a cluster of MILLINERs around Acton Turville / Old Sodbury / Cold Aston / Yatton Keynall / Leigh Delamare
in the area where Gloucestershire / Somerset and Wilstshire come together.

so seems plausible....

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge 1887 (reply)

zgilding — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:37:58 +0000

My uncle has reliterated the story again over Christmas. He says that William was found wandering in the forest. He was about 3 years old and was dressed in velvet and had gold soverigns in his pocket. He / Frank was unsure as to wether William was his real name or was a name given to the family who took him in (presumably the Milliners). He did not mention any formal adoption, merely that he was brought up with the rest of their children.

We had assumed that this all happened in the Forest of Dean but further investigation and a chance correspondance with some distant cousins (the family several decades ago split in two - this half of the family live in America) - they have traced Williams father - Isaac Milliner and his mother Mary Beazer of Wiltshire however have their approximate birth dates and since Isaac was born around 1739 Leigh De La Mere and married in 1764 at Yatton Keynell, Wiltshire - (one known son Jacob born in Yatton in 1775) it seems unlikely that Isaac / Mary was his real parents (being somewhere between 70 - 80 yrs at the time of Williams birth.

Kindest Regards,
Zoe

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, Ruspidge 1886 - 1962 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:46:10 +0000

William 1826 Bath

Year: 1892
Month: Sep
Day: 3
Surname: MILLINER
Forenames: William
Residence: Soudley Cinderford
Age_at_death: 69 years
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

..who was found wandering ?

or was adopted ?

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge 1887 (reply)

zgilding — Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:02:36 +0000

After some investigation and further chat with my uncle it transpires that it was Francis Grandfather William Milliner listed as being born in Bath in 1826.

Does anyone have any ideas how I can prove / disprove this family legend?

Regards,
Zoe

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge 1887 (reply)

zgilding — Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:35:45 +0000

Thank you once again, yes, your information confirms what I also have plus some!

It is somewhat of a puzzle this family legend. Would think that it was just a story told to a young boy but Frank also told it again to my Uncle when he was an adult. It obviously made a great impression on him!

Kindest Regards,
Zoe

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge (reply)

Dorothy — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:47:39 +0000

I can't help with Frank Milliner's parentage, but would be very pleased if you could contact me by email about Frank in 20th century. After his wife Connie died he remarried in 1945 to Ada Colwell my aunt. He died before her
(she died in 1965) and I have no knowledge of Frank although I knew him in 1945 (I was 9 at the time). Would be pleased to exchange any information.

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge 1887 (reply)

zgilding — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:29:35 +0000

Thanks so much for this information. I have traced the Milliner line back to the late 1700 but my Uncle is so certain that the story is true that I have been going back over my information and trying to fill in blanks (mostly birth information).

Kindest Regards,
Zoe

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, Ruspidge 1886 - 1962 (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:28:12 +0000

Name: Francis S F Milliner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1962
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 370

Name: Francis S F Milliner
Spouse: Ada M Colwell
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1945
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 957

Name: Frank Milliner
Name: Constance Davis
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 573

Name: Francis Sydney F Millener
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 235

Year 1887
Month Feb
Day 16
Parents Surname MILLINER
Child Forename(s) Francis Sydney Frank
Father's Forename(s) George
Mother's Forename(s) Emma
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Cinderford Bridge
Occupation
Officiating Minister John Skerratt
Event type Baptism
Memoranda Nov[ember] 3rd 1886
Notes [Skerratt underlined]
Register Reference D2598 2/12
Page No 37
Parish_Chapel Cinderford Methodist Circuit

1841
Willm Millender abt 1821 Somerset, England Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset

1851 ( home of Emily Hawkins)
William Milliner abt 1824 Somerset, England Lodger East Dean Gloucestershire

1861
William Milliner abt 1818 Bath, Somerset, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Emily Milliner abt 1834 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Milliner abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
George Milliner abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
James J Milliner abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Milliner abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1871
William Milliner abt 1821 Bath, Somerset, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Emily Milliner abt 1833 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Annie Milliner abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Milliner abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
George Milliner abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
James J Milliner abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah A Milliner abt 1862 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Selina Milliner abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William Milliner abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1881
George Milliner abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Milliner abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
George H. Milliner abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
Newton A. Milliner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire
William J. Milliner abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire

1891
George Milliner abt 1853 Sondley, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Milliner abt 1853 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Alice E Milliner abt 1884 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Emilina T Milliner abt 1890 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Francis S F Milliner abt 1886 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Ruthena S A Milliner abt 1883 Sondley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Samuel R Milliner abt 1888 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
George H Milliner abt 1879 Sondley, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph W Milliner abt 1880 Sondley, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Newton A Milliner abt 1881 Sondley, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1901
George Millinger abt 1857 Toudley, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Emma Millinger abt 1856 Bilson Green, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Millinger abt 1881 Soudley, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Millinger abt 1886 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Ethel Millinger abt 1894 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Frank Millinger abt 1887 Ruspidge Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Millinger abt 1879 Soudley, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Maud Millinger abt 1898 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Nora Millinger abt 1892 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Millinger abt 1889 Ruspidge Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Thurza Millinger abt 1891 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William Millinger abt 1880 Soudley, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

Francis Sidney Frank MILLINER, born in Ruspidge

zgilding — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:39:27 +0000

Does anyone have any information on my Great Grandfather Frank Milliner. There is a family story that was passed onto my uncle but no one else that says that my great grandfather was adopted (wether formally I don't know) by George and Emma Milliner after he was found wandering in the Forest alone.

I have traced him to the 1891 Census - he was 5 (says he was born in Ruspidge).

I also have a copy of his marriage certificate to Constance Davis which states that his father is George Milliner.

However, I have been unable to track down any information concerning his birth certificate.

Wonder if anyone can assist.

Kindest Regards,
Zoe