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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Register Ref is just what is says the Reference number of the Parish register.</p>
<p>There is not a standard record of burial plots, if you are lucky you get a note on the Register, and sometimes that is in code, which can be fun working out i.e. N/3/45  might be New yard/row 3 ( from where ?) / plot 45 ( from Where ?) ( starting from the North West corner ?????)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Slowhands, thanks for re-emphasising the prior thread.<br />
For my benefit and perhaps Jevans too, please can you or someone clarify my comment in my earlier post ?<br />
&quot;Re the Burial Record I always thought the quoted Register Reference numbers relate to the Plot number, perhaps indirectly by referring to the Church's own plan ?.&quot;</p>
<p>This is just the impression I've got from reading posts on this forum, I've never actually searched for a plot in a Churchyard. However given the findings on the example above, and after thinking more and re-searching this forum, I see that this was an error on my part. <br />
Given the huge number of Graveyards over a large area, and the hundreds of years covered by their Burial Records,and the variety of Ministers recording the Burials, I now think I'm correct that there probably wasn't a standardised method of registering Burials and identifying and mapping plots ?. I know that some of the Burial Records do contain Plot References, although I suspect in many cases one still has to have the relevant Graveyard Plan to make sense of them.</p>
<p>Is this a reasonable grasp of the situation, please ?<br />
Thanks.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I found the memorial insription for Richard Smith in 1864 at Christchurch. Is there more than one church in Christchurch or is that the name of the church? How do I find out at what church Richard is buried?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet,<br />
that particular website is not affiliated with or connected to this site in any way. Please check your email for a personal direct email which should help you in this respect, thanks.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Jevans,</p>
<p>I presume you mean this Burial ?:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 88818 <br />
Entry_Number: 644 <br />
Year: 1864 <br />
Month: Jan <br />
Day: 16 <br />
Surname: SMITH <br />
Forenames: Richard <br />
Residence: Hillersland Lodge <br />
Age_at_death: 64 <br />
Officiating_Minister: John Burden Off:g Minr <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/13 <br />
Page_No: 81 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch <br />
Soundex: S530 </p>
<p>With any query it's always worthwhile searching this site, you might have found this related prior thread, by coincidence it was mentioned on a post earlier today<br />
<a href="http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=10483">http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=10483</a></p>
<p>Christchurch is definitely the name of the Chapel, it's at Berry Hill. A quick Google shows this current site <a href="http://www.achurchnearyou.com/dean-forest-christ-church/">http://www.achurchnearyou.com/dean-forest-christ-church/</a><br />
If you click the tabs you'll find contact details and a map/satellite photo of it's Parish, you can see it's just south of Hillersland towards Coleford.</p>
<p>Google also found this site which has photos of the Church to help you find it <a href="http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS151.php">http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS151.php</a></p>
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<p>Re the Burial Record I always thought the quoted Register Reference numbers relate to the Plot number, perhaps indirectly by referring to the church's own plan ?.</p>
<p><br />
Also while searching &quot;Christchurch&quot; on this site to help with this reply I found this transcription of the Memorial Inscription, did you find it ?  Rather helpfully this quotes plot location, different numbers than the Register Reference so ??!</p>
<p>record_id 324 <br />
Location Row H <br />
Reference Number 96 <br />
Type Headstone and kerb <br />
Surname SMITH <br />
First Name Richard <br />
Day 14 <br />
Month Jan <br />
Year 1864 <br />
Age 64 <br />
Details In Loving Memory of Richard Smith late of Mailscot Lodge who died Jan 14th 1864 aged 64 years Also of Mary Ann his wife who died Dec 5th 1889 aged 71 years Also of Elizabeth Smith his mother who died March 1st 1864 aged 93 years On other face of headstone <br />
Notes  <br />
Parish Christchurch <br />
Soundex S530 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/christchurch-mi/">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/christchurch-mi/</a></p>
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I hope this all helps, good luck searching. There's some photos of some Christchurch graves on this site in the Photos section, it all looks neat &amp; tidy and not too overgrown like some sadly get, so hopefully you should be able to find this plot.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful information about the Lodge and its history. Thank you both very much. I need to contact the person who submitted the photo (Jane Smith), as I have photos she might be interested in and could identify. I did not see her name listed on the  members page. Can you tell me how to contact her?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work Sir !,</p>
<p>so it's clearly the same building as the older photo altho clearly has been rebuilt a little wrt the chimneys, wonder if they'd got fire-damaged ?.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the memorial insription for Richard Smith in 1864 at Christchurch. Is there more than one church in Christchurch or is that the name of the church? How do I find out at what church Richard is buried?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1871 Census</p>
<p>JONES</p>
<p>James 80 - retired farmer, born St Briavels<br />
Hannah - 81 - born West Dean</p>
<p>next door</p>
<p>JONES</p>
<p>Thomas 42 - Farmer of 66 acres employing 3 men, born English Bicknor<br />
Anne - 37 - born West Dean<br />
James - 16<br />
Thomas C? = 12<br />
Ada L? - 1<br />
William DICKENSON - 19 - F/S - born Cheltenham</p>
<p><br />
next door</p>
<p>Red House</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I just found this record of the Smith Family. Richard was my ggg grandfather. In many of the records I have found, they state that he lived at Hillersland Lodge. Is that the same as Mailscot Lodge?<br />
Thank you<br />
-Janet</p>
</blockquote><p><a href="http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/737302">http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/737302</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
Can anyone give me a list, please of the James JONES family mentioned in the 1871 census as living near Richard SMITH?<br />
Sylvia</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, <br />
That's a beautiful old family photo, what a lovely heirloom to have as an added delight to having Crown Foresters in the family, wow !<br />
Yes Mailscot Lodge was socalled as it's in Mailscot Woods which are immediately adjacent to the raised hamlet of Hillersland. <a href="http://www.forestry.gov.uk/website/ourwoods.nsf/LUWebDocsByKey/EnglandGloucestershireWyeValleyWyeValleyWoodsSymondsYatRockMailscotWoodTrails">http://www.forestry.gov.uk/website/ourwoods.nsf/LUWebDocsByKey/EnglandGloucestershireWy...</a></p>
<p>There would only have been one Lodge built within any one Forest area, or &quot;ride&quot;, to house that area's official Crown Keeper. So yes I think you're correct in believing them to be one &amp; the same building, unless perhaps there was another Lodge in the area before the Mailscot as photographed was built, which seems unlikely, I'm afraid I don't know that. However only one Lodge would have been in use at any one time.<br />
The ever-reliable British History website describes this woodland in great detail with many references to Mailscot, they were managed for charcoal etc since the 1600s if not earlier. A small part of this text states<br />
<span style="color:#006;"><br />
&quot;Hillersland Farm, within English Bicknor, was built in the 17th century. To the south-east at Blackthorns Farm, which belonged to the Wyrall family in 1608 and became part of the Eastbach estate in 1735, a bungalow was built southwest of the farmhouse in the later 20th century. Within Mailscot cabiners resident in 1628 were expelled. A woodman's lodge was built northwest of Hillersland before 1748.&quot; <br />
</span></p>
<p>From: 'English Bicknor', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean  (1996), pp. 101-117. <br />
<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23254&amp;amp;strquery=mailscot">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23254&amp;amp;strquery=mailscot</a> lodge</p>
<p> <br />
Apologies if you already know it's location, if you do hopefully others will be interested. Do you know if the Lodge has changed much externally wrt the photo, I hope not too much ?.  <br />
[I must admit I was a tad disappointed the last time I was in the area, walking down to the Biblins; the old suspension bridge has also changed, for the better my wife thinks....it doesn't have the distinct wornout &quot;sag&quot; anymore, or the &quot;scary&quot; seethro wire floor - such a shame I thought but the kids still enjoyed noisily racing across it, but it didnt appear to want to swing like we made it years ago !].</p>
<p><br />
On the Old Maps website Mailscot Lodge is clearly marked on all this site's maps for the area, from the earliest c1891 to the latest c1990. <br />
To find it on the Old Maps site search, enter the Hillersland postcode &quot;GL16 7NY&quot;. The maps will show the Lodge within the woods just to the west of Rock Inn and Hillersland Farm, both of these are on the B4322 road which skirts the woods as it runs north to the Yat Rock. The woods go right down to the Wye.<br />
<a href="http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html">http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html</a></p>
<p>Or even easier, use the Rock Inn website's location map and select the &quot;sat&quot; photo setting, zoom in and the Lodge is in it's woodland clearing just west of the Inn. <br />
<a href="http://www.stayattherock.com/#/map/4544256999">http://www.stayattherock.com/#/map/4544256999</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should check a detialed map of the area. And I am unfamiliar with the idea of houses having names. Thank you again for your help. I do have the 1861 census.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking back at the census for 1861</p>
<p>Richard SMITH - age 61 - Woodman + family (no name for house)</p>
<p><br />
next one</p>
<p><br />
is</p>
<p><strong>Braceland</strong></p>
<p><br />
then</p>
<p><strong>Blackthorns</strong></p>
<p>so seems quite close.....</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your help - I do have this photo and several of my relatives are in the picture.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sungreen.co.uk/Coleford/Reddings_Lodge.html">http://www.sungreen.co.uk/Coleford/Reddings_Lodge.html</a></p>
<p><br />
baptisms FOD records</p>
<p>Henry SMITH 1870 - parents Henry &amp; Marianne - Mailscot Lodge - Forest Keeper - English Bicknor</p>
<p>1907 - Archibald Francis JOHNSON - parents Francis Albert &amp; Mary Ann - Crown Woodman - Mailscot Lodge - Christchurch</p>
<p>On the 1871 Census, English Bicknor</p>
<p><strong>Mailscot Lodge</strong>  (not listed 1841 census)</p>
<p>Henry SMITH - 30 Woodman<br />
Mary Ann - 30<br />
Henry - 6 months</p>
<p><br />
next house</p>
<p><strong>Blackthorns</strong> with Esther BLANCH and family</p>
<p><br />
then</p>
<p><strong>Hillersland </strong> - with James JONES &amp; family</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this record of the Smith Family. Richard was my ggg grandfather. In many of the records I have found, they state that he lived at Hillersland Lodge. Is that the same as Mailscot Lodge?<br />
Thank you<br />
-Janet</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
My thanks to Bertha and Slowhands for their replies<br />
best wishes<br />
Sylvia</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are living at Mailscot / Hillersland Lodge<br />
Richard is a &quot;keeper of woods&quot;</p>
<p>1841 Hillersland Lodge near Braceland<br />
Richard Smith abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire  Keeper of Woods<br />
 Mary Smith abt 1816   Bicknor English, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Caroline Smith abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Henry Smith abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire  <br />
Also there are <br />
 Edward Smith abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Richard Smith abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Elizabeth Smith abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>&lt;Image sent offline&gt;</p>
<p>   1851 Redinhorne<br />
 Richard Smith  abt 1800  N Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary A Smith  abt 1815  Bristol Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
Caraline Smith  abt 1839  Reddinghorne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
Charles Smithabt 1847  Reddinghorne, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Ellin Smith abt 1847  Reddinghorne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Faney Smith abt 1845  Reddinghorne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Henry Smith abt 1841  Reddinghorne, Gloucestershire, England Son  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Jane Smith abt 1849  Reddinghorne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Mary A Smith abt 1843  Reddinghorne, Gloucestershire, England Daughter  West Dean  Gloucestershire</p>
<p>1851<br />
James Jones   abt 1820  Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head  West Dean  Gloucestershire  <br />
Eliza Jones abt 1820  Frome, Somerset, England Wife  West Dean  Gloucestershire   <br />
 Richard Smith  abt 1830  West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger  West Dean  Gloucestershire</p>
<p><br />
1861 next to Braceland<br />
Richard Smith  abt 1800 Newton, Monmouthshire, Wales Head English Bicknor, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Mary Smith abt 1812 Bristol Wife English Bicknor, Gloucestershire <br />
Henry Smith  abt 1841 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Fanny Smith  abt 1845 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ellen Smith  abt 1847 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Charles Smith  abt 1851 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Agnes Smith y abt 1853 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Annie Smith abt 1856 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Harriet Smith  abt 1859 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor, Gloucestershire</p>
<p><br />
Year: 1864 <br />
Month: Jan <br />
Day: 16 <br />
Surname: SMITH <br />
Forenames: Richard <br />
Residence: Hillersland Lodge <br />
Age_at_death: 64 <br />
Officiating_Minister: John Burden Off:g Minr <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/13 <br />
Page_No: 81 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch</p>
<p><em><br />
The west part of <strong>Mailscot, </strong>adjoining Whippington brook, had apparently included an estate called 'Wiboldingtune'<br />
 which had, however, reverted to the Forest waste by 1066. The bishops of Hereford, to whom ownership of the <br />
estate and its fishery was ascribed in 1086, (fn. 21) had a weir in the river Wye there in the late 13th century, and a<br />
clearing of 90 a. between the Bicknor- Staunton highway and the river was known as Bishop's slade in 1282. (fn. 22) <br />
An assart of 40 a. near Whippington brook in 1317 was presumably the parochial land at<strong> Braceland, </strong>which belonged<br />
 to Staunton manor in 1579. The parochial land further west, perhaps the grove of Henry the carter in 1317, was in <br />
1579 a copse of c. 80 a. belonging to Richard Baynham of Clearwell. (fn. 23) The piece of English Bicknor at <br />
Broomhill Tump was probably one of the two assarts held with English Bicknor manor in 1301. (fn. 24) </em></p>
<p><br />
From: 'English Bicknor', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, <br />
The Forest of Dean  (1996), pp. 101-117. URL: <a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23254">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23254</a> <br />
 Date accessed: 15 March 2007.</p>
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<title>Richard SMITH English Bicknor 1841 census look-up request (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline Smith abt 1839  Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English  Gloucestershire   <br />
Henry Smith abt 1841  Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English  Gloucestershire   <br />
Mary Smith abt 1816    Bicknor English  Gloucestershire   <br />
Richard Smith abt 1801  Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English  Gloucestershire</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
<category>General</category><dc:creator>bertha</dc:creator>
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