Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Milo Lloyd

Milo Lloyd (reply)

Sabkraz — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 09:20:28 +0000

Hey girl I’m thirzas ggg-grand daughter

Milo Lloyd (reply)

Sabkraz — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 09:20:00 +0000

Hey Judith we’re cousins! Thirza was my gg or ggg Grandma

Milo Lloyd (reply)

topo60 — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:17:37 +0000

Hello Bonnie
I'm another one..!! Jessie's grandparents were Thomas and Mary Bottoms who lived in County Durham and had about 11 children including Robert â€“ my Gt Gt Grandfather (Jessie's uncle). I have a photo of him and also a newspaper article about him. I don't know how much you know about Thomas but he was killed in a horse drawn railway accident when Elizabeth (Bottoms) was only 4 years old. If you contact me I can send all the information I have (dollybeck @ aol .com don't include the spaces â€“ they are supposed to fool the hackers!).
Milo (allegedly) told everyone that his wife was 'Lady in Waiting' to the Queen of England who sacked her for marrying a Welsh commoner. He was buried in July 1918 in Trucksville, Cedar Crescent Cem. Pennsylvania.
Looking forward to hearing from you again.
Judith

Milo Lloyd (reply)

byuscavage — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:17:28 +0000

Dear Judith,
I am a descendant of Jessie. I have a cousin Judi. That isn't you, is it?
Glad to hear you are going to the Forest of Dean. It sounds like a lovely place.
Bonnie

Milo Lloyd (reply)

topo60 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:43:29 +0000

Hello Bonnie
I've just discovered your message and I have Milo Lloyd in my family tree. He emigrated to the USA in 1870 and 8 years later married Elizabeth Bottoms (my ancestor) who emigrated in 1867. These are their known children; Robert, Henry, Elizabeth Jesse, Sarah, Kerziah, Thirza and Mary Jane. Milo died 10 July 1918 in Luzerne, Pennsylvania. He was known as "Moses" because "he slept on his hands and knees. Knew the Bible from front to back. Was able to read music and played the violin" I wonder if he felt guilty leaving a large family in the UK???
By coincidence we've arranged a short break in the Forest of Dean later this year!
Judith

Extra parochial (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:46:03 +0000

they were extraparocial in their geographic location that this had no influence on their church membership.

correct !

and when you work all the boundaries out ( and beware they move over time ) please let us know :-)

Tin works (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:45:01 +0000

that you too are not a long lost cousin

we still may be just need to keep searching backwards and sideways !

By today's standards the scale of industry was small. Major tinplate activity was at Redbrook and Lydbrook ( at least closest to Coleford / Berry Hill)

also at Lydney, Parkend and Hawkwell

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

byuscavage — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:16:43 +0000

I am sorry that you too are not a long lost cousin but my cousins and I here are very appreciative of your interest and love of your roots. The Forest must be a wonderful place.

I have researched the tin plate industry there a little. Am I correct in assuming that this family was probably a part of a factory type industry as opposed to having a shop of their own?

My best to you,
Bonnie

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

byuscavage — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:07:53 +0000

Dear Mike,
I am sorry that you are not a cousin but am very pleased to make the aquaintance of someone so interested in their heritage. The Forest of Dean area, from what I see in researching, seems like a lovely place. Perhaps when I win that elusive lottery, I will go there.

Thanks for the additional information. If they had Christian events at Christ Church, Newland Parish Church, and Coleford Cemetary, would they have been part of the Church of England or are these some other denomination? I am also assuming that because they were extraparocial in their geographic location that this had no influence on their church membership. Is that correct? I have been researching the geographic, ecclesiastic, and political boundries of England with some success but sometimes the cultural issues are not in black and white.

Best wishes,
Bonnie

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:06:04 +0000

Bonnie

Mike and I are unique individuals, amongst other things we share a passion for our Vorest Roots and are regular contributors to this website.

best regards

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

shepway — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:55:24 +0000

I have no connection with the Lloyd family and I am not Slowhands. But Slowhands and I have one thing in common - we were born in the Forest of Dean and we contribute to this website.
In the event you do not have the marriage of Milo's parents:

From GFHS Marriage Index:
15 December 1827 Lewis LLOYD married Maria EVANS by Banns at Newland Parish Church. Both are described as being from the Hundred of St Briavels which means they were living on extraparochial land.

Lewis LLOYD's burial has been given. This is the burial of Maria:
Entry Number 844
Year 1886
Month Jan
Day 17
Surname LLOYD
Forename(s) Maria
Place of Residence Wife of Lewis Lloyd
Age at death 80
Officiating Minister Rob[er]t Stevens
Event Interment
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes Additional information re this grave is available on request.
Register Reference DA25/204/2
Page No 43
Parish/Chapel Coleford Cemetery

Best wishes
Mike

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

byuscavage — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:03:19 +0000

Mike,
This is great information on the children and especially Elizabeth. I am descended from his other Elizabeth- assuming this 2 marriage theory is correct. I just can't see how it can be anything else though.
Thank you so much for you help. I am brand new to this forum so forgive me if I ask an odd question. Are you also "slowhands"? I don't want to be repeating myself in replies but I did not understand why both names appear in my left blue column.
Bonnie

Lewis LLOYD 1806 - 1886 White Cliff nr Coleford (reply)

byuscavage — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:51:59 +0000

Thanks so much for the quick reply. You furnished me with items I didn't have, including the info on his father and his own baptism. No wonder I couldn't find the one census with the name spelled "Loyd"!

I have a few theories on this separation. Perhaps by the time he got money to send for them, they decided they didn't want to go. Maybe she never wanted to go in the first place. I find it interesting that she lists herself as a widow in one census. I wonder if she stopped hearing from him or perhaps this was their way of ending a relationship that could not be fixed because they couldn't agree on location. From what I know of him, he does not seem to be the sort to easily condone divorce.

I have been watching the flooding in England with great sympathy. We have had this scale tragedy in this area 30 years ago. My heart goes out to these people.

Are you a part of the Lloyd family? I will be sharing this info with my cousins here and I know they too will be appreciative of your help.

Bonnie

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

shepway — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:24:34 +0000

Elizabeth's marriage:
Year 1879
Month Nov
Day 2
Groom Surname HALFORD
Groom Forename(s) John
Groom Age at Marriage 26
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Labourer
Groom Residence Over-thorn Farm
Groom Father's Surname Halford
Groom Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Labourer
Bride Surname LLOYD
Bride Forename(s) Elizabeth
Bride Age at Marriage 26
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence Poole Green
Bride Father's Surname Lloyd
Bride Father's Forename(s) Myler
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Collier
Licence or Banns [not stated]
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of Frederick Hathaway
Witness 2 Mark of Elizabeth Evans
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister Henry Proctor Vicar
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P93 IN 1/11
Page No 37
Parish/Chapel Coleford

1891 Census:
Albert Halford abt 1877 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Raglan Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Halford abt 1856 Berryhill, Gloucestershire, England Wife Raglan Monmouthshire
John Halford abt 1856 Tiverton, Gloucestershire, England Head Raglan Monmouthshire

Tiverton = Tibberton

Mike

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

shepway — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:17:02 +0000

It would appear that Milo's children moved to the South Wales coalfield:
Marriages Dec 1889
BATTEN Rhoda Crickhowell 11b 195
Lloyd Reuben Crickhowell 11b 195

1901 Census
Aberystruth.
Elizabeth E Lloyd abt 1900 Nantyglo, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth Monmouthshire
George Lloyd abt 1894 Nantyglo, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth Monmouthshire
John H Lloyd abt 1896 Nantyglo, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth Monmouthshire
Reuben Lloyd abt 1867 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth Monmouthshire
Rhoda Lloyd abt 1865 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Aberystruth Monmouthshire

Marriages Mar 1889
Davies Mary Ann Bedwelty 11a 82
LLOYD Frederick Bedwelty 11a 82

1891 Census
Aberystruth.
Frederick Lloyd abt 1859 Dean Forest Head Aberystruth Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Lloydk abt 1869 ??, Abertylery Wife Aberystruth Monmouthshire
Phyllis Lloyd abt 1891 ??, Abertylery Daughter Aberystruth Monmouthshire

Mary A Lloyd abt 1870 Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales Boarder Aberystruth Monmouthshire
Oliver Lloyd abt 1869 Forestaf Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Aberystruth Monmouthshire

Mike

Lewis LLOYD 1806 - 1886 White Cliff nr Coleford (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:33:45 +0000

LEWIS LLOYD
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 NOV 1806 Newland, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS LLOYD
Mother: MARY
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C036202 1560 - 1565 0423272 Film 6911882 Film
C036202 1583 - 1812 0425476 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

Year 1806
Month Nov
Day 30

Parents Surname LLOYD
Child Forename(s) Lewis
Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Mother's Forename(s) Mary
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Whiteclift
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/10
Page No 27
Parish/Chapel Newland

Year 1886
Month Feb
Day 14

Surname LLOYD
Forename(s) Lewis
Place of Residence Tinman
Age at death 79
Officiating Minister Rob[er]t Stevens
Event Interment
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes Additional information re this grave is available on request.
Register Reference DA25/204/2
Page No 43
Parish/Chapel Coleford Cemetery

Milo LLOYD 1836 Berry Hill FoD (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:04:35 +0000

Milo appears to be stray for 12 years between 1861 and your 1873 record.
Its possible he travelled to and from America , perhaps returning to encourage his family to cross the Atlantic (?).

Perhaps he was the Black sheep only because he choose to return to America and start a new family(?).

Much speculation !

Year 1836
Month May
Day 19
Parents Surname LLOYD
Child Forename(s) Milo

Father's Forename(s) Lewis
Mother's Forename(s) Maria
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Lower Berry Hill
Occupation Tinman
Officiating Minister T.R. Garnsey

Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference 8212
Page No 39
Parish/Chapel Christchurch

1841 Lower Berry Hill
Lewis Lloyd abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire Tin Plate Man
Maria Lloyd abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Ellenor Lloyd abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Milo Lloyd abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Thomas Lloyd abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
William Lloyd abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire

1851 Berry Hill
James [LEWIS] Lloyd abt 1806 Hessle Cliff, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Maria Lloyd abt 1807 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Ben Lloyd abt 1844 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Edwin Lloyd abt 1828 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza Lloyd abt 1840 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Oliver Lloyd abt 1846 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Thomas Lloyd abt 1831 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
William Lloyd abt 1834 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Wilson Lloyd [MILSON} abt 1836 Bury Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire

Hessle Cliff = WhiteCliff
Bury Hill = Berry Hill

1861
Milo Lloyd abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Lloyd abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Lloyd abt 1855 West Dean Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Frederick Lloyd abt 1860 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Berry Hill
Ann Lloyd abt 1836 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire Washer woman ( Husband in America)
Elizabeth Lloyd abt 1856 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Frederick Lloyd abt 1859 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Lloyd abt 1863 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Oliver Lewis Lloyd abt 1869 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Reuben Lloyd abt 1866 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire

1881 Joyford Hill
Ann Loyd abt 1834 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Frederick Loyd abt 1861 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Oliver Loyd abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Reuben Loyd abt 1866 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1891 White Cliff
Ann Lloyd abt 1837 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire

Milo LLOYD

byuscavage — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:46:37 +0000

My greatgrandfather, Milo Lloyd, was born in about 1837 to, according to his obituary, Lewis and Maria Lloyd in a town which I cannot find in the UK. I have found a Milo Lloyd born to parents of the same name from the Forest of Dean area. I have followed him the in census including his marriage to Ann (Halfour) and the birth of his children. They lived in Newland, Coleford, and Christ Church, I believe. The 1871 census, states that he went to America. The 1881 UK census states that a woman matching Ann's desription was a widow.

The only immigration record I can find for a Milo was for 1873, which first makes me wonder where he was for 2 years.

My Milo married in the US and had a family. One daughter had the same name as the English Milo's siter- Therza. My Milo named a daughter Elizabeth- the same as the English Milo.

My Milo would not discuss his backround and would only say that he was the "black sheep" of the family dispite the fact that he was quite religious.

It certainly appears that these are the same men. I am searching for any descendants of Milo's English family in the hope that there is some oral tradition that might explain why this family may have separated.

Many thanks for your help in advance.
Bonnie