Forest of Dean FHT Forum - PENN link with MORSE in AWRE

PENN link with MORSE in AWRE (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:58:36 +0000

We're still trying to find a link between your STEPHENS/MORSE/WICKENDEN etc

previous thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=39414

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Today I've received the death certificate of Henry WICKENDEN who died age 74 years -22 May 1861 in Etloe Awre (Farmer) - cause of death: Old Age, No Medical Attendant, but Richard PENN Etloe, Awre - was.

?? Richard MORSE PENN - christened 13 November 1831 in Blakeney, and although when Richard PENN (Carpenter) married Susan POWELL -17 May 1856 at Newnham and Blakeney Tabernacle - (his father's name wasn't given).

1861 Census, Etloe Awre Road

Richard PENN - Carpenter 29
Susan - 28
James W - 2
Richard T - 9 months
James POWELL - 23

Richard Morse PENN 1831 Blakeney (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:12:43 +0000

Year: 1831
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: PENN
Child_Forenames: Richard Morse
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blakeney
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: T Morgan Off[iciatin]g Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN1/1
Page_Number: 125
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney

1841 Blakeney
William Pena abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire Wheelwright
Mary Pena abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire
William Pena abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire
Richard Pena abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire
next door to
George CLARK approx 1800 Cabinet Maker

1851
William Penn abt 1797 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Head Etloe, Gloucestershire Carpenter
Maria Penn abt 1802 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Etloe, Gloucestershire
William Penn abt 1828 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son Etloe, Gloucestershire
Richard Penn abt 1830 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son Etloe, Gloucestershire
Emma Penn abt 1842 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Etloe, Gloucestershire
next door to
James CLARK 1825 Tailor

Thomas and Amy PENN Blakeney -children & possible deaths (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:57:04 +0000

1801 PENN Richard Richard Amy [nee](Morse Sp[inste]r) Awre
1799 PENN Thomas Thomas Amy [nee](Morse S[pinster]) Awre
1797 PENN William Thomas Amy [nee](Moss S[pinster]) Awre

Year: 1836
Month: Aug
Day: 15
Surname: PENN
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: [not stated]
Age_at_death: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: John Jones Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not stated]
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: MF1267
Page_No: 4
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney Baptist

Name: Amy Penn
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 376

PENN link with MORSE in AWRE (reply)

mrsbruso — Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:48:56 +0000

Record ID 67087
Entry Number 345
Year 1796
Month Apr
Day 29
Grooms Surname PENN
Grooms Forenames Thomas
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Batchelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence of this Parish
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname MORSE
Brides Forenames Amy
Brides Age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence of this Parish
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Licence
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Tho[ma]s Holder
Witness 2 Sarh[sic] Mors[sic]
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Edward Jones Curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P30 IN 1/3
Page Number 88
Parish Chapel Awre

Charles George Cross(?) CLARKE 1835 Blakeney Hill (reply)

mrsbruso — Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:28:51 +0000

POSSIBLE FAMILY LINK WITH CROSS

Record ID 91347
Entry Number
Year 1740
Month May
Day 27
Grooms Surname CROSS
Grooms Forenames John
Grooms Age
Groom Condition
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname STEPHENS
Brides Forenames Sarah
Brides Age
Brides Condition
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence St. Catherines
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark
Witness 1
Witness 2
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P154/12 IN 1/1
Page Number 34
Parish Chapel Gloucester St Mary de Lode

Patience Nellie CROWDER 1893 (reply)

mrsbruso — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:20:05 +0000

Note on Elizabeth Crowder's birth. It wasn't in America. It was in Canada. Philip worked in Ontario digging the sewer along Yonge Street and working on the railroad (across the Holland Swamp) while sending stories back to a newspaper in Birmingham. He had been a very active union organizer before he left England. When his first wife died he packed the three children up and returned home, where he married Emma and went on to have ten more children.

Patience Nellie CROWDER 1893 (reply)

mrsbruso — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:10:59 +0000

Yes, that's us. Emma's maiden name was Harris (parents William Harris and Patience Roper). Patience Roper later marries Walter Rudd. I've been working on the tree in fits and starts. "Nell" was one of 13 so and one od my cousins, also working on a family tree named her tree "too many of us". The Crowders were coopers. A generation or two were in the B'ham area but I think they were originally in Shropshire.

Thanks again, Slowhands.

Patience Nellie CROWDER 1893 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:40:24 +0000

Name: Patience Nellie Crowder
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 877

<><><> Potential family

WILLIAM CROWDER
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Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH GITTUS
Marriage: 23 FEB 1806 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M010723 1796 - 1817 0919779-781 Film 6900689 Film
M010723 1817 - 1831 0919782, 0919783 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

JAMES CROWDER
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Event(s):
Birth: 23 OCT 1813
Christening: 30 SEP 1814 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM CROWDER
Mother: HANNAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C010723 1813 - 1815 0501834 Film 6900588 Film
C010723 1815 - 1817 0501835 Film NONE
C010723 1818 - 1820 0501836 Film NONE
C010723 1820 - 1822 0502177 Film NONE
C010723 1823 - 1825 0502178 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

1851
James Crowder abt 1814 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham, Warwickshire Master Cooper & Grocer
Ann Maria Crowder abt 1813 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham, Warwickshire
Hariett Crowder abt 1835 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
George Crowder abt 1839 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham, Warwickshire
James Crowder abt 1842 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham, Warwickshire
Phillip Crowder abt 1845 Aston, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham, Warwickshire
Ann Marin Crowder abt 1848 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
Edward Crowder abt 1850 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham, Warwickshire

1871 Birmingham
Philip Crowder 26 Aston Cooper
Elizabeth Crowder 24 Birmingham
Rosina Crowder 1 Birmingham
Philip Crowder 1 Month Birmingham

1881
Phillip Crowder abt 1845 Head Birmingham, Warwickshire
Emma Crowder abt 1856 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham, Warwickshire
Rosina Crowder abt 1870 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
Phillip Crowder abt 1871 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Crowder abt 1874 America Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
Alfred Crowder Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham, Warwickshire

1891
Phillip Crowder abt 1845 Aston, Worcestershire, England Head Oldbury, Worcestershire
Emma Crowder abt 1856 Birmingham, Worcestershire, England Wife Oldbury, Worcestershire
Alfred Crowder abt 1881 Birmingham, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury, Worcestershire
Frank Crowder abt 1883 Birmingham, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury, Worcestershire
Albert Crowder abt 1885 Birmingham, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury, Worcestershire
Emma Crowder abt 1887 Birmingham, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury, Worcestershire
Marian Crowder abt 1889 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury, Worcestershire
Clara Crowder abt 1891 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury, Worcestershire

1901
Emma Crowder abt 1856 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Oldbury, Worcestershire
Alfred Crowder abt 1881 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Oldbury, Worcestershire
Frank Crowder abt 1883 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Oldbury, Worcestershire
Albert Crowder abt 1885 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Oldbury, Worcestershire
Marrian Crowder abt 1889 Langley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury, Worcestershire
Clara Crowder abt 1891 Langley Green, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury, Worcestershire
Nellie Crowder abt 1893 Langley Green, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury, Worcestershire
Clarence Crowder abt 1895 Langley Green, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury, Worcestershire
Florence Crowder abt 1899 Langley Green, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury, Worcestershire

1901
Philip Crowder abt 1845 Aston, Warwickshire, England Boarder Lower Mitton, Worcestershire Cooper

Name: Philip Crowder
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 65
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 90

1911
CROWDER EMMA F 1856 55 Kings Norton Worcestershire
CROWDER CLARENCE M 1895 16 Kings Norton Worcestershire
CROWDER FLORENCE F 1899 12 Kings Norton Worcestershire
CROWDER NELLIE F 1893 18 Kings Norton Worcestershire

Charles George Cross(?) CLARKE 1835 Blakeney Hill (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:56:33 +0000

CLARKE : William George COSS?

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28987

Year: 1835
Month: Sep
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: CLARKE
Child_Forenames: Charles George Goss
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blakeney Hill
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: G Colebrook Jordan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN1/1
Page_Number: 146
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney

I wonder if it was CROSS not GOSS - sort of visualise the handwritten Cr blending to look like G ?

1841 CROSS's in the area
Thomas Cross abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Harriett Cross abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Unice Cross abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Cross abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Ann Cross abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Harriett Cross abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Charles Crosse abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire

and at least one CROSS in the Blakeney / Awre area ...

Year: 1781
Month: Nov
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: PENN
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Wid[owe]r
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: CROSS
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_Number: 341
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1782
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Surname: PENN
Forenames: Ann
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Sandiford Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 1 IN 1 Part 2
Page_No: 533
Parish_Chapel: Awre

(Minister) George Colebrook JORDAN 1798-1842 Gosport -> Awre (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:46:28 +0000

Trying to find the Officiating Minster's christian : G Colebrook JORDAN -

GEORGE COLEBROOKE JERDAN
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Event(s):
Birth: 08 AUG 1798
Christening: 28 OCT 1798 High Street-Independent, Gosport, Hampshire, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN JERDAN
Mother: HEPHZIBAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C069361 1786 - 1837 0595453 (RG4 401) Film 0883961 Film
Sheet: 00

1841
George C Indan abt 1806 Awre, Gloucestershire
Sarah Millington abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire
John Millington abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire
Betsey Millington abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Payne abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Awre, Gloucestershire

Year: 1842
Month: Sep
Day: 15
Surname: JORDAN
Forenames: George C
Residence: Woodside House
Age_at_death: 43
Officiating_Minister: J H Malpes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/10
Page_No: 108
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Name: George Colebrook Jordan
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 350

Charles George Goss Clarke/Charles George Morse 1835 ? (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:25:01 +0000

Looking at my Gloucestershire Family History Society CD

This baptism has been transcribed with a question mark after COSS?

CLARKE : William George COSS?

!!!

Trying to find the Officiating Minster's christian : G Colebrook JORDAN -

Charles George Goss Clarke/Charles George Morse 1835 ?

mrsbruso — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:50:07 +0000

(From Prior Thread)
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=28467#p30293

I think I may have finally solved the mystery regarding the name of Charles George Goss Clarke (born 1835 to William Clarke and Elizaeth nee Griffiths), and it wasn't by finding the mysterious Charles George Goss.

CGG Clarke had an older cousin (by 23 years) named Charles George Morse, who lived next door on Blakeney Hill.

There is a possibility, if not a probability, that the minister may have heard "Goss" rather than "Morse". Or am I stretching it a bit too far?

When my gran was christened, the minister asked "what do you name this child", and her mother said, "Patience Nellie, Sir". And that is how he christened her . . . as Patience Nellie Sir Crowder! Her siblings thought it was hilarious.