Forest of Dean FHT Forum - James COLE, Chelsea Pensioner

James COLE, Chelsea Pensioner (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:31:11 +0000

James Cole b.1791 (Ruardean) married to Hannah Morgan b.1793 (Ruardean).They had 14 children. On the 1851 census it states that James is a Chelsea Pensioner. Does anyone know anything about his military career.

No but he would have been serving around the time of the Napoleonic Wars circa 1811

Wellington's best known battle and
resulted in the final defeat of Napoleon and
peace in Europe for 99 years, shaped
modern Europe

‘Did more than any other battle I know
towards the true object of all battles – the
peace of the world.' Duke of Wellington

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=15146

The Glosters http://www.glosters.org.uk/ have a :-

Cole, James - Statement of Service
Surname: Cole
First Name: James
SERVICE DETAILS
Service Number: 182

might be him

James Cole, Chelsea Pensioner (reply)

Tombs — Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:26:06 +0000

James Cole b.1791 (Ruardean) married to Hannah Morgan b.1793 (Ruardean).They had 14 children. On the 1851 census it states that James is a Chelsea Pensioner. Does anyone know anything about his military career.

George and Jane COLE (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:51:32 +0000

Jane and George Cole were given the house that they were living in , plus 3 pieces of land : open to F.O.D on one side , and the land of Thomas Beal on the other 3 sides .
Joseph Cole is given the house that he lives in , plus 4 pieces of land : one piece adjacent to the house , and the others as above .

George and Jane Cole appear to be living in Crossways on the Staunton Rd ( Berry Hill way) does that make sense ?

Year: 1884
Month: Nov
Day: 9
Surname: COLE
Forenames: Jane
Residence: Dau[ghte]r of Geo[unstated] Lucas Cole and Jane his wife
Age_at_death: 13
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Williams
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Staunton Road Coleford (2) South Div'n Adults Gr (3) F 49 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

Moorwood Coppice - prior thread (reply)

rosalind@jmb — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:40:29 +0000

Jane and George Cole were given the house that they were living in , plus 3 pieces of land : open to F.O.D on one side , and the land of Thomas Beal on the other 3 sides .
Joseph Cole is given the house that he lives in , plus 4 pieces of land : one piece adjacent to the house , and the others as above .

Moorwood Coppice - prior thread (reply)

slowhands — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:07:19 +0000

I am trying to trace the subsequent owners of land and houses given to my relative Joseph Cole by his father James Cole of Moorwood Coppice , in his will dated 1877 .
How would I go about doing this ?
Also , where is Moorwood Coppice ? I can see Moorwood on an old map , but Coppice is not marked .
I am thinking I will have to go to Glos Record Office maybe .
Any help would be gratefully received !

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=5868

The Coppice here
http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO6016

You could share the names on here from the will and maybe we can track down the land/houses for you
otherwise maps held at GRO or possible Dean Heritage might help. http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=39781

Tracing land and houses given in a will dated 1877 . (reply)

rosalind@jmb — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:03:03 +0000

I am trying to trace the subsequent owners of land and houses given to my relative Joseph Cole by his father James Cole of Moorwood Coppice , in his will dated 1877 .
How would I go about doing this ?
Also , where is Moorwood Coppice ? I can see Moorwood on an old map , but Coppice is not marked .
I am thinking I will have to go to Glos Record Office maybe .
Any help would be gratefully received !

Albert Cole 1866 Lydbrook Photo (reply)

admin — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:26:03 +0000

The URLs of the photos often change as new photos are added but if you go to the Lydbrook section of the Photo Gallery you will find the photo there, it is titled 'Knight and Cole Wedding' and is currently on page 3.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/lydbrook/

Albert Cole 1866 Lydbrook . (reply)

rosalind — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:09:33 +0000

Sorry , I have had a break from doing ancestors ! I tried looking at the photo of Albert Cole , but the link had an error message : would it be possible for you to re - send the photo ?
Regards ,
Rosalind .

Thomas Maurice COLES 1894 Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:20:59 +0000

1881 Lydbrook Coppice, Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Cole abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Marr
Isabele Cole abt 1864 Whitchurch, Hereford, England Daughter
James Cole abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Thomas Cole abt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son

Thoms Cole 1871 = Morris Cole 1871 ??

1891
Morris Cole abt 1871 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Aberystruth Monmouthshire

Name:Mabel Gane
Name: Morris Coles
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Bedwelty
County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 181

Name: Thomas Maurice Coles
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11a
Page: 25

1901
Maurice Cole abt 1871 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Stoke Staffordshire
Mabel Cole abt 1872 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Stoke Staffordshire
Albert Cole l abt 1896 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Stoke Staffordshire
Arthur Cole abt 1892 Wales Son Stoke Staffordshire
Maurice Cole abt 1894 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Stoke Staffordshire

Albert COLE 1866 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:36:33 +0000

This is Albert ( Thomas's grandson) in the front row of the family portrait (?
)
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/watkins_lydbrook/pages/page_4.html

1881 Copper Tavern, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England (next to Bell Inn Lydbrook)
Thomas Coles abt 1823 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head
Mary A. Coles abt 1824 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife
Abert M. Coles abt 1876 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson
Albert Coles abt 1866 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson
William Coles abt 1874 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson

1891
Albert Cole abt 1863 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Fulham London
Sarah Cole abt 1867 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Fulham London
Caroline L Cole abt 1890 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Fulham London
Mabel Cole abt 1887 Chelsea, London, England Daughter Fulham London
Thomas Cole abt 1889 Battersea, London, England Son Fulham London

1901
Albert Cole abt 1866 Lydbrook East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Fulham London
Sarah Cole abt 1867 Lydbrook East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Fulham London
Caroline L Cole abt 1891 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Fulham London
Thomas W Cole abt 1889 Battersea, London, England Son Fulham London

Thomas COLE / Mary Ann EDDY (?) (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:52:06 +0000

1851 Moorwood
Moorwood
Thomas Cole abt 1823 East Deane Head East Dean Gloucestershire
H Ann Cole abt 1824 E Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Cole abt 1848 East Deane Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Cole abt 1850 East Deane Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Moorwood
Thomas Cole abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Cole abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Peter Cole abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Cole abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Cole abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joel Eddy abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother in Law East Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Lydbrook ( next door to Hannah Cole)
Thomas Cole abt 1822 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Cole abt 1823 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Cole abt 1844 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Cole abt 1866 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Cole, Thomas
Record Type: Deaths
Age at death: 28
Quarter: June
Year: 1878
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire Herefordshire Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 13

James COLE 1874 Lydbrook (reply)

Rosalind — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:57:52 +0000

Looking through your data , it would seem that Grandpa Cole's father WAS called Thomas/Tom b.1850 and this Tom was the 3rd child ( b. 1820 ) to James and Hannah . I had not been able to find this link , as he did not appear in the earlier censuses that I checked : many thanks ! I think I may have found his death in 1878 aged 28 in Monmouth , which means he DID die shortly after my Grandpa was born in 1874 .

James COLE 1874 Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:06:39 +0000

A birth Cert might help, I guess it realy depends how deeply the family was prepared to go if a "skeleton" needed to be hidden - assuming Joseph is not the Father.

Its always possibly Joseph had a pet name of Tom or Thomas, perhaps his middle name ?? The first born son was also called Thomas (?)

Year: 1870
Month: Apr
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: COLES
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age: 39
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Lydbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Coles
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Harriett
Brides_Age: 32
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lydbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jarrett
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Fisherman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Philip Phelps
Witness_2: Matilda Hiley
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 8
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

COLES Maurice
COLES WILLIAMS
1870 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 32 259

1871 Lydbrook hill
Joseph Cole abt 1832 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Harriett Cole abt 1838 English Bicknor Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Morris Coles abt 1868 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean
Ezabela Cole abt 1863 Whitchurch Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1891 Lydbrook
Joseph Cole abt 1829 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire Widow
James Cole abt 1874 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Jamima Cole abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Sister West Dean Gloucestershire

James (1790?) and Hannah (1795?)COLE Moorwood (reply)

Rosalind — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:01:12 +0000

This is my maternal great great grandfather : I am trying to solve a family mystery about James Cole b.1874 to Joseph b.1831 in Ruardean . He always told his family that his father's name was Thomas , but in all the censuses he is named as Joseph : did he lie about his father , or maybe was he orphaned and then lived in Joseph's house as his" son " ? I really need to see James's birth certificate , I guess : are you able to check out these registers ? I cannot get any further back than James who married Hannah - do you know any more ?

James (1790?) and Hannah (1795?) COLE Moorwood

slowhands — Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:24:27 +0000

1841 HO 107 /364 /7 Folio 49

Moorwood
All born in county

James COAL 55 Labourer
Hanah 50
James 25 Labour
Richard 21 Labour
Thomas 20 Labour
Eliza 19
Ann 15
John 13
Joseph 11
Jane 10
Jemima 9
Mark 8
Benjamin 7
Peter 4
George 1

1851 Moorwood Coppice
James Cole abt 1807 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire Pensioner Chelsea
Hannah Cole abt 1797 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Berffamin Cole abt 1836 Md Coppice East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire
George Cole abt 1840 Md Coppice East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jamimah Cole abt 1833 Md Coppice East Dean Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Cole abt 1831 Md Coppice East Dean Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
John Cole abt 1827 Md Coppice East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Cole abt 1825 Md Coppice East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Malik Cole abt 1834 Md Coppice East Dean Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Mariah Cole abt 1843 Md Coppice East Dean Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

Moorwood
Thomas Cole abt 1823 East Deane Head East Dean Gloucestershire
H Ann Cole abt 1824 E Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Cole abt 1848 East Deane Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Cole abt 1850 East Deane Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Moorwood / Lydbrook Hill
James Cole abt 1791 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Cole abt 1794 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
George Cole abt 1840 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jemima Cole abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Cole abt 1831 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Maria Cole abt 1843 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Lydbrook
Hannah Cole abt 1797 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
George Cole abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jamima Cole abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Cole abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Ruben Cole abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Benjamin Cole abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire
Peter Cole abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Phelps 27 East dean
Maria Phelps 28 East dean
Fanny Phelps 4 East dean
Clara Phelps 1 year, 9 months East dean

next door

Thomas Cole abt 1822 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Cole abt 1823 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Cole abt 1844 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Cole abt 1866 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire