Forest of Dean FHT Forum - George Bradley linked to Fountain Inn Parkend ?

George Bradley linked to Fountain Inn Parkend ? (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 06 May 2017 21:49:15 +0000

Hi Alan, thanks for explaining. I did think you might be one & the same, but as your "old" Fountain Inn username is still active/live (it displays as a blue hyperlink, not black), then I guessed not; ah well no matter.

Did you find George on the Gazette's website ?. If so I'm impressed, I usually struggle with it, it's ECR computer seems to struggle to recognise the names I search for, sometimes have to rely on Google doing it instead !. But big thanks for the tip, never thought to look-up landlords on it, I've a fair few in my trees so that's worth following-up, thanks.

Funny really, I spent a hour last night trying to link your Bradley landlord with one of mine, aka the landlord of the Farmer's Boy in Longhope c1940, as his dad was before him.
Took me ages to eventually realise I had my memory-wires crossed, and the pub landlord was in fact Sidney COMPTON, as was his father George, whereas Jack BRADLEY was the local butcher c1950 and son of Fred and also butcher before him..., and not a landlord at all, duh... It amused me to find that Sidney Compton's brother was a long way from being a pub landlord, as in 1911 he was Dean or similar at Chester Cathedral.

I expect like us you've tried searching this site's BMDs for George, and the Census' too, and similarly found no obvious tie-ins ? I therefore suspect the ever-reliable MPG may well be correct with her suggestion, and that George wasn't a local Parkend resident unlike so many landlords in those times, but a "placement" by the brewery, hence my thinking he was a "temporary" one.

Good luck with your researches, I'll have to look-up your book. I did look-up the Fountain in Heather Hurley's RFoD Pubs book, but nothing new there. Shame her book doesn't have an index of the many & various landlords names it contains, maybe that's a project for me after I finish doing my planned catalogue of all the people named in the otherwise excellent Humphrey Phelps FoD old photo books. Unfortunately my books are boxed-up awaiting our moving-house, otherwise I'd have a look for the Fountain.

atb Jeff

George Bradley linked to Fountain Inn Parkend ? (reply)

obscurasky — Sat, 06 May 2017 21:10:17 +0000

Hello Jeff. It hadn't occurred to me that my name isn't shown - I am Alan Powell. My wife and I wrote a history of our pub in 2015, to mark our 25 years as publicans here. It was rather 'encyclopaedic' - largely a list of bullet points, so I'm revisiting, and rewriting, it in a more interesting format.

The 1878 reference to George Bradley in the London Gazette is all I have on him I'm afraid. We know that John Ellsmore was the publican here until 1876 and that Richard and Elizabeth (Martha) Scott were publicans from at least 1881.

Cheers, Alan.

George Bradley linked to Fountain Inn Parkend ? (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 06 May 2017 19:17:11 +0000

I found this application for bankruptcy (left column, half way down). At the time the Fountain was owned by Redbrook Brewery, so George would have been a tenant landlord.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/24558/page/1864

Fair enough.

Apart from having the name, do you have any other reasons to believe the George Bradley you know at the Fountain is linked to this thread's George Bradley of Ruardean.

Thanks.

BTW, this old thread also mentions the Fountain, do you know Alan Powell ?
aka "Fountain Inn", may be worth contacting by direct mail ?
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=39025

Fountain Inn (Previous thread) (reply)

obscurasky — Sat, 06 May 2017 18:54:23 +0000

They were. Richard and Elizabeth (Martha) Scott's daughter, Margaret, married George Gunter in 1887 and they took over management of the Fountain Inn soon after (initially still on behalf of Redbrook Brewery). And when they died.... two of their daughters took it on as well.

Fountain Inn (Previous thread) (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 06 May 2017 18:41:17 +0000

It would seem that the SCOTT's and the GUNTER's were related

Probate

GUNTER Margaret Malina of the Fountain Hotel Parkend, Widow, died 12 April 1934 at the Picture House, Lydney, Glos
Adminstration Llandaff 6 November to Harry SCOTT GUNTER, farmer.

Effects: £10,593 1s 4d.

Fountain Inn (Previous thread) (reply)

obscurasky — Sat, 06 May 2017 18:37:25 +0000

Thank you, yes I saw that.

George Bradley linked to Fountain Inn Parkend ? (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 06 May 2017 18:35:15 +0000

Lloyd George Land Survey 1909-10

GA/D2428/1/80/1/- Hereditament Number 1544

Income Tax Parish: West Dean

Person(s) served with valuation: Owner

Occupied by: GUNTER, George

Owned by: GUNTER, Margaret M (Parkend)

Type of Property: Business

Description: Hotel

Address: Fountain Hotel, Parkend

Poor Rate:

Number 1508
Size: 1 rood 3 perches
Gross Value: £29 5s
Rateable Value : £25

George Bradley linked to Fountain Inn Parkend ? (reply)

obscurasky — Sat, 06 May 2017 18:29:16 +0000

I found this application for bankruptcy (left column, half way down). At the time the Fountain was owned by Redbrook Brewery, so George would have been a tenant landlord.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/24558/page/1864

Fountain Inn (Previous thread) (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 06 May 2017 18:23:41 +0000

There is a previous thread on

The Fountain Inn Parkened - (10 July 2006)

Admin - listed previous Landlords

mentions an old picture of the pub in the Photo Gallery

The photograph is under Parkend

George Bradley linked to Fountain Inn Parkend ? (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 06 May 2017 17:03:47 +0000

Hi Alan,
Doesn't look like George was at the Fountain for very long, so may have been a "temporary" landlord supplied by the Brewery, perhaps in-between them appointing a more permanent landlord ?. This prior thread lists other landlords around his time, obtained from Census data, old newspapers, etc;
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=3451

George Bradley & Elizabeth Lewis (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sat, 06 May 2017 13:54:51 +0000

Did George move briefly from Gloucester - living in Gloucester 1871 and again.... in

1881 Glos
Barton St Mary

2 J ersey Road

George BRADLEY - 40 - Landlord of Beerhouse, born Dymock, Glos
Elizabeth BRADLEY - wife - 45, born Corse, Worcestershire
Anna M WAKEFIELD, - Dau-in-lau : 19 - unmarried, Barmaid, born Newent, Glos **
Kate BRADLEY, 7 - daughter - born Glos
Charles BRADLEY - 5 - son - born Glos

Glosbmd: Hannah Maria WAKEFIELD, 1860 Glos. Newent, mother's maiden name THOMAS

----

1881 Census, West Dean, District 11 Park end
Page 10 of 25

Fountain Inn

Richard SCOTT, 54, Born Staffordshire
Martha SCOTT - 36, born Glos
Mary FOX - Barmaid, unmarried, 27 born Glos
George FOX - 75 - visitor, born Glos. Stow on the Wold

George Bradley & Elizabeth Lewis (reply)

obscurasky — Fri, 05 May 2017 21:01:50 +0000

It's been 12 years :), did you find anything else on George Bradley? I'm researching the history of the Fountain Inn, Parkend, and came across someone of this name who was running the pub (on behalf of Redbrook Brewery) in 1878.

Eliza Kate BRADLEY 1901 Bream (reply)

marycallen2 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:14:46 +0000

I haven't worked forward to Kate but James Bradley and Elizabeth Harris married 24 October 1811 in Walford were my 3x great grandparents. I'm descended from their eldest son George aged 14, already working away from home by 1841 census on a nearby farm, moved to Swansea where he married Julia Ann Gayton from North Devon. James and Elizabeth were listed as porters at Coughton in some records.

Elizabeth was born in Holm Green, Ross on Wye daughter of James and Hannah Harris. James said he was born in Ruardean in the census returns but I haven't been able to find a matching baptism or any clues as to his parents.

Eliza Kate BRADLEY 1901 Bream (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:12:24 +0000

Name: Eliza Kate Bradley
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 29

1901
Alfred Bradly abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Maggie Bradly abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Bessie Bradly abt 1897 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Lilian Bradly abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Mildred Bradly abt 1899 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire

1891
William Bradley abt 1828 Walford, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Bradley abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Bradley abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Bradley abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Amy Bradley abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Bradley abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
James Bradley abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1881
William Bradley abt 1826 Walford, Hereford, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Bradley abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Bradley abt 1877 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Bradley abt 1872 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Annis Bradley abt 1871 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Harry Bradley abt 1874 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
James Bradley abt 1869 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Bradley abt 1861 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
James Henderson abt 1863 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean Gloucestershire

1871

William Bradley abt 1829 Ross, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bradley abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Amey Bradley abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bradley abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
James Bradley abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom Bradley abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
William Bradley abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1861
William Bradley abt 1828 Walford, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Bradley abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Bradley abt 1861 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
William Bradley abt 1860 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1851
William Bradley abt 1827 Walford, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean Gloucestershire

1851
James Bradley abt 1785 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Walford Herefordshire
Elizabeth Bradley abt 1786 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Walford Herefordshire
Sarah Bradley abt 1832 Walford, Herefordshire, England Daughter Walford Herefordshire
John Bradley abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Walford Herefordshire

1841
James Bradley abt 1784 Herefordshire, England Walford Herefordshire
Elizabeth Bradley abt 1786 Herefordshire, England Walford Herefordshire
Eliza Bradley abt 1829 Herefordshire, England Walford Herefordshire
Sarah Bradley abt 1831 Herefordshire, England Walford Herefordshire
William Bradley abt 1827 Herefordshire, England Walford Herefordshire

George Bradley & Elizabeth Lewis (reply)

Sue Birch — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:23:26 +0000

Trying to find ancestors of Eliza Kate Bradley born West Dean, Bream
Her father was Alfred Watts born 1872
Alfreds father was William born 1826
Williams father was James 1784

Have you come across these?

George Bradley & Elizabeth Lewis (reply)

Don Davis — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:58:47 +0000

Hello Graham:
As a Bradley researcher descended from George Bradley and Elizabeth Lewis I am interested in your question. While I don't yet know the answer I have brought it to the attention of a few other Bradley researchers.
I am descended from GB and EL through Willam. Are you also a descendant? Let's share information.
Cheers
Don Davis
Vancouver BC Canada

George Bradley & Elizabeth Lewis

Graham Davison — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:23:15 +0000

George Bradley married Elizabeth Lewis at Ruardean on 22 September 1765, they had 6 children: William bapt 1767, Margaret bapt 1769, George bapt 1772, Charles bapt 1774, Elizabeth bapt 1776 & Richard bapt 1779 (all in Ruardean).
Does anyone know where George & Elizabeth were buried?