Forest of Dean FHT Forum - James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

probinson — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:29:46 +0000

Email sent.

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:36:31 +0000

Hello Dianne,

As soon as we can establish direct contact and somewhere to dispatch it to I will send it on its way. It’s not large – about five inches by three – and I suspect it may have been given to Charlotte on her Confirmation. It’s in more or less the same condition as when I acquired it – the front cover and most of the spine is missing but everything else is there, including the Epistle Dedicatory which you don’t often find in modern bibles. I suppose that after at least 173 years some kind of wear might be expected.

Alice Minnie Parry born Newent, lived Canada (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:02:08 +0000

FamilySearch has;

1891 Scarr Cottage, Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Parry Head M 36 Agricultural labourer. Gloucestershire, England
Mary Jane Parry Wife F 32 Gloucestershire, England
Gertrude May Parry Daughter F 8 Gloucestershire, England
George Raymond Parry Son M 7 Gloucestershire, England
Alice Minnie Parry Daughter F 5 Newent, Gloucestershire, England

1901 The Scar, Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Parry Head M 40 Groom (Not Domestic). Newent, Gloucestershire
Mary J Parry Wife F 42 Sherborne, Gloucestershire
George R Parry Son M 17 Ordinary Agricultural Lab. Newent, Gloucestershire
Alice M Parry Daughter F 16 General Servant Domestic. Newent, Gloucestershire
Elsie M Parry Daughter F 8 Newent, Gloucestershire
James E Parry Son M 5 Newent, Gloucestershire
Herbert J Parry Son M 2 Newent, Gloucestershire

Alice M's most-welcome post this afternoon has reminded me I didn't properly follow-up the original Alice Minnie Parry off the above Census transcripts. I recall I had to be careful as there was also Alice Maud Parry born Newent abt 1887.

Record_ID: 375993
Entry_Number: 137
Year: 1885
Month: Jul
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: PARRY
Child_Forenames: Alice Minnie
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Scarr
Occupation: Groom
Officiating_Minister: A. Bannister Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/32
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: P600

Interestingly to me she found employment in the same town in southeast London as one of my ancestors did, and at the same time too, perhaps even using the same GWR train ?

1911 Beckenham, Kent, England,
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Alfred Garry Head M 54 GENT IMPORTER AND MERCHANT, SILK GOODS. Dominica West India Resident
Helen Garry Wife F 48 Sandbach, Cheshire
Leslie Alfred Garry Son M 21 CLERK SILK MERCHANT. Brockley S E, Kent
Minnie Parry Servant F 25 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC. Goucestershire Newent, Gloucestershire

Familysearch also has these records;

Canada Passenger Lists
Name Alice Minnie Parry
Event Type Immigration
Event Date Jul 1914
Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Gender Female
Age 29
Birth Year (Estimated) 1885
Birthplace England
Ship Name Scotian

The image of the original document shows a little more information, despite the very neat handwriting the final destination is hard to read, it looks like Mannatow or Marraton, Saskatchewan ?.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6RWS-D5Y?i=8&cc=1823240

Alice sailed on the SS Scotian, built in 1898 at Harland & Wolff's of Titanic fame. This page has photos and a detailed history of her interesting life, which includes several mentions of voyages twixt London and Montreal between 1911 and 1914, I think this was Alice's voyage. The passenger count is only 1/3 of previous trips, odd..
"10 July 1913 sailed London to Quebec and Montreal with 362 passengers. Captain B Henry was the ship's Master."

I think this must be her burial, in 1960. The fact that our new forum member "Alice M" aka Dianne Wilson of Saskatchewan is her Grand-daughter appears to confirm this.

Find A Grave Index
Name Alice Minnie Parry Wilson
Maiden Name Parry
Event Type Burial, 1960
Event Place Marieton, Regina Census Division, Saskatchewan, Canada
Photograph Included Y
Affiliate Record Identifier 79291976
Cemetery Saint John Anglican Cemetery

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Alice M — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:23:42 +0000

Hello Mike,

I am a descendant of James Maywell and Charlotte Hooper (paternal GG grandparents). I am very interested in this bible, and I have siblings and second cousins who would also be interested in this. My grandmother Alice Minnie Parry (daughter of John Parry and Mary Jane Maywell) was born in Newent and emigrated to Canada in 1914. Mary Jane Maywell was a daughter of James Maywell and Charlotte Hooper.

I have asked a Peter Robinson (ancestry.com communication) to forward my email to you, so we may communicate more directly.

Thanks,

Dianne Wilson
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 19:59:53 +0000

Looks good, thanks Mike.

It seems that was Herbert's second marriage in that area, FreeBMD has;

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1925
Jenkins May M Parry Pontypool 11a 279
Parry Herbert J Jenkins Pontypool 11a 279

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1929
Parry Herbert J Williams Pontypool 11a 376
Williams Doris Parry Pontypool 11a 376

These surnames are not rare in the area, so hard to predict likely offspring, if any.

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 18:55:07 +0000

There is this one which seems to fit,

1939 Register, Richmond Street, Cwmbran

PARRY Herbert J, Male, 4th March 1899, Married, First Helper Tinplate Mills H W
PARRY Doris, Female, 1st November 1901, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 17:48:09 +0000

Cheers Mike, and a good full set of Records for him for a change. Re the possibility of the brothers serving in the War, I checked this site's database but no luck, similarly my check of the CWGC site suggested neither were killed.

So it does seem possible Jame's early death was due to the War. And as a bonus you found sister Gertrude too, excellent.

Have you looked for Herbert in the 1939 Register ?
Nothing certain but this is the nearest Death record I can find to fit him, age fits and not too far away;

Deaths Mar 1968
PARRY HERBERT J 68 PONTYPOOL 8C 350

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 17:22:31 +0000

It seems Herbert John served in the Great War. His Ancestry records show he survived.

Name: Herbert John Parry
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1899
Enlistment Age: 18
Document Year: 1917
Residence Place: Station Road, Newent Gloucestershire
Regimental Number: 4173
Regiment Name: Dorsetshire Regiment
Number of Images: 17
Form Title: Record of Service
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Herbert John Parry Self (Head)
John Parry Father

I can’t yet find anything in the Military records for James Edward but here he is in the 1939 Register living with Oliver MALSOM.

Beaufort Villas, Newent

MALSOM Gertrude, Female , 5th Nov 1887, Married, Household duties
MALSOM Oliver, Male, 25th March 1872, Married, Builders Labourer retired
FISHER Sarah, Female, 11th January 1869, Widow, Old Age Pensioner
PARRY James E, Male, 13th April 1895, Single, General Labourer (Invalid)

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

probinson — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 17:07:45 +0000

Taking a different tack, I looked on Ancestry for any trees including James Maywell and there is one public one and a couple of private ones. The public one has some living descendants listed so I've sent a message to the owner to see if they can help. I'll let you know if I get anything.

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 16:48:24 +0000

Searching for Worsfold/Parry births on FreeBMD shows no likely offspring to Frederick Worsfold and Gertrude Parry after their aforementioned 1917 marriage.
Perhaps not surprising seeing as the PR states Frederick was a "retired widower", and Gertrude was aged 34.

Searching for possible births of Frederick J Worsfolds on FreeBMD suggests he's from the Greater London, South East England area, with a few records to choose from. FamilySearch confirms;

1911 Newent, Cliffords Mesne Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Frederick James Worsfold Head M 55 RETIRED COMMERCIAL CLERK. London Battersea, London
Sarah Ann Worsfold Wife F 49 Shillington, Bedfordshire
Esther Worsfold Mother F 82 Croydon, Surrey
Mary Jane Fossey Neice By Marriage F 33 Shillington, Bedfordshire

Hence;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1856
WORSFOLD Frederick James Wandsworth 1d 412

So by time of his marriage to Gertrude he was aged abt 61.

Sadly it seems it was a short marriage, this is the only Death Record I can find anywhere that might be him;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1919
Worsfold Frederick J 62 Cardiff 11a 676

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Gertrude married again and apparently stayed local;

Record_ID: 144433
Entry_Number: 96
Year: 1935
Month: Nov
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: MALSON
Grooms_Forenames: Oliver
Grooms_Age: 63
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Retired
Grooms_Residence: Newent
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Malson
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner (decd)
Brides_Surname: WORSFOLD
Brides_Forenames: Gertrude Mary
Brides_Age: 53
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newent
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Parry
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer (decd)
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: William Fisher
Witness_2: Beryl Daw Field
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cyril J K Burnell Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/34
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex_Groom: M425
Soundex_Bride: W621

(NB: No PARRY family witnesses ?)

Record_ID: 2117
Entry_Number: 344
Year: 1873
Month: Jan
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: MALSON
Child_Forenames: Oliver
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J. Davies Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex: M425

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1950
Malsom Oliver 78 Gloucester R. 7b 437

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1976
MALSOM GERTRUDE MAY 5NO1882 GLOUCESTER 22 97S

I wonder if the Bible that Mike bought came from Gertrude ?

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 18:11:13 +0000

I can think of only one PARRY during my school days, from Hartpury. There used to be plenty in the Huntley/Blaisdon area in the 19C - I even have one in my tree albeit on the left hand side. I guess they must still be around but I've been away a long long time and couldn't even guess at the present situation.

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 17:30:11 +0000

Oops, thanks for clarifying the precise address details Mike.
I've actually been adding to my original post while you made yours which I didnt see until now. Using my free month's access to The Genealogist website I'd found those address details, I wouldn't have bothered using that site as don't like the format, but for some odd reason I'd struggling to find the 1891 Census of FamilySearch.

As it seems you're familiar with Newent (I'm NOT !) - am I correct in guessing there are still PARRYs in the town, if only because it's a fairly common surname across the whole area ?

Cheers J

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 16:45:43 +0000

Thanks for that Jeff. To add a little more to the 1911 Census they were, by then, living in Station Road in Newent itself. Previously they had been at The Scarr a couple of miles north of Newent. Station Road is properly Bridge Street but it was often referred to as the former.

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 16:10:40 +0000

Wow, great post Mike, and lovely to try to get your Bible back with the family. I guess the best chance is to find descendants of Mary Jane MAYWELL born 1858. I appreciate this site isn't aimed at finding living relatives, but I hope we can help point the way, if there is one.

There are just 2, yes two, Maywell PRs within this site's database, but I'm pleased to find our target;

Record_ID: 143991
Entry_Number: 153
Year: 1882
Month: May
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: PARRY
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Bran Green
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Parry
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: MAYWELL
Brides_Forenames: Mary Jane
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bran Green
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Maywell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: James Maywell
Witness_2: Rosehannah Parry
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Peter A L Wood Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/33
Page_Number: 77
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex_Groom: P600
Soundex_Bride: M400

FamilySearch has;

1891 Scarr Cottage, Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Parry Head M 36 Agricultural labourer. Gloucestershire, England
Mary Jane Parry Wife F 32 Gloucestershire, England
Gertrude May Parry Daughter F 8 Gloucestershire, England
George Raymond Parry Son M 7 Gloucestershire, England
Alice Minnie Parry Daughter F 5 Newent, Gloucestershire, England

1901 The Scar, Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Parry Head M 40 Groom (Not Domestic). Newent, Gloucestershire
Mary J Parry Wife F 42 Sherborne, Gloucestershire
George R Parry Son M 17 Ordinary Agricultural Lab. Newent, Gloucestershire
Alice M Parry Daughter F 16 General Servant Domestic. Newent, Gloucestershire
Elsie M Parry Daughter F 8 Newent, Gloucestershire
James E Parry Son M 5 Newent, Gloucestershire
Herbert J Parry Son M 2 Newent, Gloucestershire

1911 Station Road, Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Parry Head M 50 FARM LABOURER. Newent, Gloucestershire
Mary Jane Parry Wife F 52 Sherborne, Gloucestershire
Elsie Mary Parry Daughter F 18 Newent, Gloucestershire
James Edward Parry Son M 15 FARM LABOURER. Newent, Gloucestershire
Herbert John Parry Son M 12 Newent, Gloucestershire

So plenty of scope there for descendants...

This site's PRs include several Baptism for the above children, such as;

Record_ID: 376615
Entry_Number: 759
Year: 1899
Month: Jun
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: PARRY
Child_Forenames: Herbert John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: The Scarr
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Samuel Bentley Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/32
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: P600

However struggling to find any of their Marriage PRs, except for;

Record_ID: 92131
Entry_Number:
Year: 1917
Month: Oct
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: WORSFOLD
Grooms_Forenames: Frederick James
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: widower
Grooms_Occupation: retired comml clerk
Grooms_Residence: Cliffords Mesne
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WORSFOLD
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: gardener
Brides_Surname: PARRY
Brides_Forenames: Gertrude May
Brides_Age: 34
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newent
Brides_Fathers_Surname: PARRY
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: sawyer
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Parry
Witness_2: Elsie Mary Parry
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W H Fane Dickson vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P155 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Gorsley
Soundex_Groom: W621
Soundex_Bride: P600

Wondering if Herbert and James survived WW1 ? Needs more work.

Perhaps James survived but was injured, is this him ?, in Newent district;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1940 (>99%)
Parry James E 45 Gloucester Rural 6a 745

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No sign of these burials in the PRs, but FreeBMD has;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1927
Parry Mary J 68 Newent 6a 468

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1931
Parry John 69 Newent 6a 310

James MAYWELL - Charlotte HOOPER Family Bible

Mike Pinchin — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 12:36:40 +0000

I have just revisited an old Bible I have on my shelves. I acquired it so long ago that I cannot remember where or when. I guess it was at a jumble sale or the suchlike in Newent. It is in a somewhat distressed condition but all the text is there.It retains a pressed flower, and a scrap of fabric as a bookmark.

On the first page of Genesis is written “Charlotte HOOPER 1846”. I imagine this was the date she was given the bible.

Before the New Testament is written,

James MAYWELL born August 28th 1829
Charlotte HOOPER born February 8th 1834
Married September 19th 1857
Mary Jane MAYWELL born October 11th 1858
William MAYWELL born September 5th 1865, Died May 24th 1866

This is some of their history.

GR 1861 Census,Sherborne, Glos.

James MAYWELL, Head, Mar, 31, Carpenter, Glos. Sherborne
Charlotte, Wife, Mar, 27, Glos, Sherborne
Mary J, Daur, 2, Glos, Sherborne

GR 1871 Census, Sherborne, Glos

James MAYWELL, Head, Mar, 41, Carpenter, Gloster, Sherborne
Charlotte, Wife, Mar, 37, Gloster, Sherborne
Mary Jane, Daur, 12, Scholar, Gloster,Sherborne

GR 1881 Census, Newent, Bran Green

James MAYWELL, Head, Mar, 51, Carpenter, Gloster, Sherborne
Charlotte, Wife, Mar, 47, Dress Maker, Gloster, Sherborne
Jane, Daur, 22, Un, Gloveress, Gloster, Sherborne

GR 1891 Census, Peters Grove, Bran Green, Newent

James MAYWELL, Head, M, 61, Carpenter, Gloucestershire, Sherborne
Charlotte, Wife, M, 57, Dressmaker, Gloucestershire, Sherborne

Glos BMD

James MAYWELL died 1900, aged 70, Gloucester, Newent
Charlotte MAYWELL died 1896, aged 60, Gloucester, Newent

This may account for the relocation from Sherborne to Bran Green (modern Brand Green),

BNA Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard – Saturday 14 March 1874,

NORTHLEACH
PETTY SESSIONS, Wednesday
………. On the application of Mr James Hodges, agent to Lord Sherborne, a warrant was granted to eject James Maywell from a cottage at Sherborne………..

This seems to be their parentage,

GR 1841 Census, Sherborne, Glos. All born in county.

Jane HOOPER, 35, Sawyer’s Wife
Mary, 15
George, 9
Elizabeth, 11
Charlotte, 7
William, 4
Hannah, 2
Martha, 3m
Thomas, 13

GR 1841 Census, Sherborne, Glos. All born in county.

William MAYWELL, 50, Carpenter
Alice, 50
Harriett, 14
James, 11
William, 8
John, 50, Ag. Lab.

GR 1851 Census, Sherborne, Glos.

William MAYWELL, Head, M, 63, Carpenter, Glos, Sherborne
Alice, Wife, M, 60, Glos, Buckland
Harriett, Daur, U, 24, Glos, Sherborne
James, Son, U, 21, Farm Labourer, Glos, Sherborne
William, Son, U, 18, Farm Lab, Glos, Sherborne

I have no connexion with this family and, rather than it languishing on my shelves for more years, I am posting this in the faint hope I can find a more appropriate home for it with someone who does have connexions.