I was wondering what happened to her brother Benjamin Taylor and why he died so young? Also i did visit coleford last year to try and find the graves of Anne and Henry but were unable to locate them. I am wondering if they have gravestones.

Regards
Gary Duncan

GR 1891 Census, Hill Barn, Yanworth, Northleach, Glos
Edwin HUNT, Head Mar, 49, Ag. Lab., Oxon. Swincombe(?) Swyncombe?
Sophia, Wife, Mar, 42, Glos, Aldsworth
William, Son, S, 19, Ag. Lab., Glos, Aldsworth
James, Son, S, 16, Ag. Lab., Glos, Poulton
Rose Hannah, Daur, 13, Glos. Aldsworth
John, Son, 9, Glos, Filkins (actually Oxon)
Margaret, Daur, 1, Glos, Aldsworth

GR 1901 Census, Yanworth, Glos.
Edwin HUNT, Head, Mar, 59, Ordinary Ag. Lab., Oxon. Swincombe(?)Swyncombe?
Sophia, Wife, Mar, 57, Glos, Aldsworth
John, Son, 19, Carpenters Labourer, Oxon. Filkins
Margaret, Daur, 11, Glos, Aldsworth

Record_ID: 151791
Entry_Number: 481
Year: 1896
Month: Jun
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: MOORE
Grooms_Forenames: Theophilus
Grooms_Age: 70
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Miller
Grooms_Residence: Upper Mill Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morse
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: DAVIES
Brides_Forenames: Mary Jane
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Davies
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Luke
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Oliver F. Oldland
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Oldland
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Ranolph H. Evered Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 241
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: M600
Soundex_Bride: D120

So MARY Jane Davies was born abt 1874, a fair match for the 1911 census quote earlier.

Record_ID: 267462
Entry_Number: 1691
Year: 1903
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: MOORE
Forenames: Theophilus
Residence: Upper Redbrrook
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H. Evered Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 212
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M600

Explains why I couldn't find Mary Jane with John Hunt in 1901 census.

Record_ID: 396688
Entry_Number: 136
Year: 1898
Month: May
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: MOORE
Child_Forenames: Edith Catherine Jane
Fathers_Forenames: Theophilus
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Mill Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M600

Sadly

Record_ID: 267444
Entry_Number: 1673
Year: 1901
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Surname: MOORE
Forenames: Edith
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Age_at_death: 3
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H. Evered Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 210
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M600

But still gives us;

1901 Newland All Saints to Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theos Moore Head M 75 Baker. Penalt, Monmouthshire
Mary J Moore Wife F 27 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Frances M Moore Daughter F 5 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Edith C Moore Daughter F 3 Redbrook, Gloucestershire

Looks like "Frances M" = "May" in the 1911 census?
Cannot find any other records for her tho ??

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1891 Newland, Monmouthshire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theophilus Moore Head M 64 Miller & Corn Merchant. Monmouthshire, England
Sarah Moore Wife F 65 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Jane Davis Servant F 17 Gloucestershire, Newland

1881
Event Place: Newland (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theophilus Moor Head M 54 Miller. Penalt, Monmouthshire, England
Sarah Moor Wife F 57 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
George Smith Nephew M 28 Miller. Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England

1871 Upper Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theophilus Moore Head M 46 Miller. Penalt, Monmouthshire
Sarah Moore Wife F 46 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith Niece F 13 Scholar. Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
George Healing Servant M 22 Gardener. Coleford, Gloucestershire

Name: Theophilus Moore
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 08 Dec 1856
Event Place: Newport, St Woolos, Monmouthshire, Wales
Age: Full
Spouse's Name: Sarah Izarel
"Wales, Monmouthshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912," database, FamilySearch

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1881 Lower Redbrook Bunkers Hill, Newland (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Luke Davis Head M 54 Widower. Labr In Tin Plate Works. Shropshire, England
George Davis Son M 16 Roller Tin Plate Works. Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
James Davis Son M 8 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Jane Davis Daughter F 7 Scholar. Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Emily Davis Daughter F 5 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Powell Stepson M 18 Drawer In Tin Plate Works. Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Howel Housekeeper F 60 Widow. Housekeeper Com Serv. Staunton, Gloucestershire, England
Emily Howel Visitor F 24 Com Serv Nurse Out Employ. Tippingdale, Staffordshire, England

Redbrook has a long history of metal-working, back to the copper works of the 1700s. The village name is derived from when the brook thro' the village looked dark red due to the local iron ore deposits.
http://www.overlookingthewye.org.uk/index.php/hidden-industry/redbrook/redbrook-history...

Re Redbrook tinplate works see, as just one example;
https://www.redbrookvillage.co.uk/history.html

Young George and Henry's jobs demanded great skill and physical fitness in very difficult hot conditions.
This site has several old photos of Redbrook including the tinplate works, eg
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Redbrook/Redbrook-Tinworks-1900.htm
https://www.sungreen.co.uk/Redbrook/Tinplate-Works-c1914.html
etc

FamilySearch;

1871 Upper Redbrook, Coleford, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Luke Davis Head M 44 Labourer At Iron Foundry. Shiffnall, Shropshire
Eliza Davis Wife F 42 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
George T Davis Son M 5 Scholar. Redbrook, Gloucestershire

Name: Luke Davies
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 5 Nov 1826
Event Place: Shifnal, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom
Father's Name: Thomas Davies
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Davies

Name: George Thomas Davis
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Jul 1865
Christening Date (Original): 09 JUL 1865
Christening Place: NEWLAND,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Luke Davis
Mother's Name: Eliza

??
Name: Mary Jane Davis
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 24 May 1874
Christening Date (Original): 24 MAY 1874
Christening Place: NEWLAND,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Luke Davis
Mother's Name: Caroline

Interesting John was "in fact" born in 1881. ???

Seeing as Alice's father was a baker, and John was a waggoner, quite possibly working for his father who was a miller, it seems reasonable to think the couple met as a result of their parent's work.

Despite several searches struggling to definitely find John, or Edwin, in the earlier Censuses, locally or elsewhere.
???

However searching Lilian Hunt, witness at his wedding, I eventually find this record which seems relevant, our John's daughter ? (presumably from his previous marriage).

Record_ID: 40045
Entry_Number: 51
Year: 1932
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: MORRIS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 28
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Bus Driver
Grooms_Residence: Usk [?]
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morris
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Fred
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Lillian Beatrice
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Alexander Hook
Witness_2: J Hunt
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C. Hubert of Fasson Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Groom's father Deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93/1 IN 1/23
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex_Groom: M620
Soundex_Bride: H530

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1932
Hunt Lillian B Morris Monmouth 11a 30
Morris Thomas Hunt Monmouth 11a 30

So Lillian was born abt 1907.

GlosBMD has;
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HUNT Lilian Beatrice DAVIES 1906 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 62 366
HUNT Lilian Beatrice MOORE 1906 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 62 366

FamilySearch gives;

1911 Newland, Coleford, Monmouthshire, England UK
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Hunt Head M 29 Flour miller. Filkins Oxford, Oxfordshire
Jane Hunt Wife F 34 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Lillian Hunt Daughter F 5 school. Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Arthur Hunt Son M 0 Redbrook, Gloucestershire
May Moore Ste Daughter F 15 Redbrook, Gloucestershire

Which helpfully confirms the GlosBMD record which showed Jane Hunt nee Davies was previously married to a Moore.

Despite age discrepancy this looks relevant;

Record_ID: 396858
Entry_Number: 306
Year: 1909
Month: Apr
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Arthur John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 39
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530

Record_ID: 396822
Entry_Number: 270
Year: 1906
Month: Mar
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Lilian Beatrice
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530

Record_ID: 396930
Entry_Number: 378
Year: 1914
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: HUNT
Child_Forenames: Dorothy Margaret
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Redbrook
Occupation: Warehouseman
Officiating_Minister: Ranulph H Evered Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: at Redbrook Church
Notes: memo in left hand margin
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/24
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H530

Not a miller anymore ?.

Struggling to find any later records for Dorothy.
??

Record_ID: 151884
Entry_Number: 24
Year: 1931
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Forenames: Arthur John
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tinplate Worker
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Mabel Agnes
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Redbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hunt
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Haulier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Francis James Simmonds
Witness_2: Olive May Trotter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Griffin Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Bride's father deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H530
Soundex_Bride: H530

Is Mabel a cousin etc given her father's trade etc ?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1913
Hunt Mabel A Beach Monmouth 11a 50

Her possible parents ?

Record ID 138795
Entry Number
Year 1894
Month Aug
Day 18
Grooms Surname HUNT
Grooms Forenames Samuel
Grooms Age 21
Groom Condition bachelor
Grooms Occupation labourer
Grooms Residence Weirhead St Monmouth
Grooms Fathers Surname Hunt
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation farmer
Brides Surname BEACH
Brides Forenames Isabella Maria
Brides Age 23
Brides Condition spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Buckholt
Brides Fathers Surname Beach
Brides Fathers Forenames James
Brides Fathers Occupation labourer
Licence or Banns banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark both sign
Witness 1 Wm Beach
Witness 2 Annie Mason
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference
Page Number
Parish Chapel Monmouth
Soundex Groom H530
Soundex Bride B200

Searching Mary Jane Davies' earlier marriage to a Moore, a possible ?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1896
Davies Mary Jane Monmouth 11a 57
Moore Theophilus Monmouth 11a 57

(cont)

HUNT John, Male, 26th June 1881, Married, Flour Miller and Mill Wright
Two redacted entries
HUNT Alice E, Female, 11th June 1884, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties

Record_ID: 151855
Entry_Number: 45
Year: 1922
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 40
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Waggoner
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: HUNT
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miller
Brides_Surname: HEAD
Brides_Forenames: Alice Elizabeth Ann
Brides_Age: 37
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Redbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HEAD
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Baker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Edwin James Mitchell
Witness_2: Lillan Hunt
Other_Witnesses: Gertrude Midwinter
Officiating_Minister: R Hamilton Evered Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/14
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H530
Soundex_Bride: H300

So Alice def born abt 1885.
and groom John Hunt (widower) born abt 1882, father Edwin(a miller) and maybe mother or sister Lilian.

Searching the PRs for Alice Elizabeth Ann Hunt's burial gives this possible ?;

Record_ID: 50093
Entry_Number: 486
Year: 1940
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Surname: HUNT
Forenames: Elizabeth Alice
Residence: 15 St Anns Street Chepstow
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister: Rev[erend] Canon D Hughes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1][Date of death] 27.9.40 [2]Consecrated ground Plot A [number of grave] 127
Notes: Place or Parish from which the Body was brought Chepstow. Signature of Person making the Entry of Burial M Turner
Register_Reference: G
Page_No: 61
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Municipal Cemetery
Soundex: H530

So again confirms Alice born abt 1883.

FreeBMD confirms it's our Alice;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1940 (>99%)
Hunt Alice E A 57 Chepstow 11a 22

Sadly she lost her husband several years earlier, I wonder why so young ?
This site doesn't have an Inquest for him. Neither can my admittedly short search find any mention of his death in the BNA old newspapers site.

???

Record_ID: 48661
Entry_Number: 60
Year: 1918
Month: Jan
Day: 26
Surname: HUNT
Forenames: John
Residence: 34 Lower Church S[tree]t Chepstow
Age_at_death: 42 years
Officiating_Minister: Rev[erend] D Hughes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1]Labourer [2]M[ale] [3][By whom Certificate was given under Burial Laws Amendment Act 1880] Alice Hunt [4][place of burial] Plot H [5][Consecrated ground] Yes
Notes:
Register_Reference: E
Page_No: 3
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Municipal Cemetery
Soundex: H530

So suggests John was actually older than he claimed in his marriage day, born abt 1876.

No matches in the FoD PRs.

???

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So Alice is buried in Chepstow Cemetery, Plot A, grave 127. I think this is the same cemetery but not certain.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2411492/chepstow-cemetery

The Cemetery Service is managed by the Cemeteries Officer, tel 01873 735852, cemeteries@monmouthshire.gov.uk
https://www.monmouthshire.gov.uk/services/the-register-office/deaths-and-cemeteries/cem...

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For completeness perhaps someone could please lookup Alice & John in the 1939 Register, thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_SS_Princess_Alice

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Regarding searching the graves of your ancestors, we posted Hannah's burial record earlier, at Staunton. (The one twixt Monmouth & Coleford, not to be confused with Staunton near Corse on the far northeast of the Forest).

Record_ID: 337404
Entry_Number: 647
Year: 1935
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Hannah Maria
Residence: Staunton Coleford Glos
Age_at_death: 75 years
Officiating_Minister: L W E Aylmer Kelly Asst Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC310 1/11
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex: M625

Staunton church isn't included within the Memorial Inscriptions section of this site.

Searching for prior mentions of this Church within this forum gives these notes from 2017, happily all the links still work, hopefully it will help you.

"Re the burials in Staunton All Saints, I suggest you contact the church well in advance of your visit, hopefully they will be able to assist in locating the grave. Also don't forget that sadly many Churches lock their doors these days unless expecting visitors.
https://www.achurchnearyou.com/staunton-all-saints/

also http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS463.php

For background info see
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/StauntonColeford/Gaz1868

You might consider buying this GFHS cd in advance, it might help, unless of course any other forum members already have it and can please do a lookup for you."
http://gfhs.org.uk/products-page/cddvd/monumental-inscription-2003-2/

Online photos and Streetview images suggest the graveyard is well-kept and in good upkeep, so hopefully you can find the grave. I see there are other Morgans there too, I don't know if relations or not. Some of them have been named on the Find-a-Grave site page, but sadly not yours, yet.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2612991/all-saints-churchyard

Staunton is also the final resting place of world-famous engineer and metallurgist David Mushet, who along with his son Robert Forrester Mushet performed important pioneering work in steel-making at the Whitecliff and Darkhill ironworks, I see mentions of the Morgan name ? in these pages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mushet

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A George Morgan, Blacksmith, is listed in this Staunton Trade Directory from 1927, a possible relative, perhaps ?
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cbennett/genealogy/staunton1927.htm

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As posted earlier here is Alfred Head's burial record, at Coleford Cemetery.

Record_ID: 77975
Entry_Number: 2954
Year: 1928
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Retired Baker
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d C H M Fasson
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) 33 Newland St[reet] Coleford (2) [not stated] (3) CC 18 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 47
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300

Record_ID: 75812
Entry_Number: 808
Year: 1885
Month: Jan
Day: 4
Surname: HEAD
Forenames: Alfred and James
Residence: Son of Alfred Head and Hannah his wife
Age_at_death: 2
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Williams
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div'n 1/2 Adults Gr (3) F 32 west (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H300

Sadly this cemetery doesn't seem to be in the aforementioned GFHS cd.

More Cemetery info here, which helpfully advises we have a plan on this FoDFHT website.
http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS152.php

For plan etc see
https://forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Coleford_Cemetery_Guide.pdf
https://forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Coleford_Cemetery_Plan.pdf

Also see https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/1972386/coleford-cemetery

Hopefully the Memoranda and possibly Register Reference details within the PRs will help locate the graves within the cemetery.

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Re daughter Alice's final resting place, altho we did post her marriage to Edwin Hunt, that line needs further research...

speak again later, thanks again, Jeff.

This 1868 Gazetteer entry shows it has no obvious links to the Forest, especially Coleford on the far side.
J

"BECKFORD, a parish in the hundred of Tibaldstone, in the county of Gloucester, 6 miles to the E. of Tewkesbury, its post town. It lies on the confines of Worcestershire, not far from Bredon Hill, and includes the hamlets of Bangrove, Didcote, and Grafton."

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Beckford/Gaz1868

Yes you would think Alfred would have avoided the name Alice, seems very strange, the stories told seemed to indicate that the loss effected him badly and his daughter Alice looked after him while Hannah was off nursing the sick, Alice was 30 when she married my Grandfather. My father was also called Alfred.

Elizabeth had several children, Florence, Alexander, James and George, I guess they must have become fairly wealthy to be able to travel backwards and forwards from SA so frequently. Unfortunately Elizabeth did die young in 1895,

I thought the Millbank prison connection may not turn out to be relevant, but it was very interesting to look at the history and yes the location now the Tate. This is what I love about FH it can turn up interesting avenues in social history which are great to follow up.

I will keep looking for the Hannah / Alfred connection in London.

I will be visiting relatives in Chepstow this summer and would like to see if I can find any remaining graves etc for Hannah/ Alfred / Alice, where would you advise to get this information?

Once again I am very grateful that you have taken an interest in my story.

Kindest regards

Jan

Glos BMD

TAYLOR, Hannah Maria, Mother’s former Name WEAVER, 1847, Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Cleeve
TAYLOR, Caroline, Mother’s former Name WEAVER, 1843, Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Cleeve

GR 1851 Census, Gloucestershire, Beckford (now in Worcestershire, I think)

Thomas TAYLOR, Head, Mar, 54, Carrier, Gloucester, Bishops Cleeve
Ann Wife, Mar, 48, Gloucester, Forthampton
William, Son, Un, 25, Joiner, Gloucester, Beckford
John, Son, Un, 22, Ag Lab, Gloucester, Beckford
Charles, Son, Un, 18, Ag Lab, , Gloucester, Beckford
Mary, Daur, Un, 17, Gloucester, Beckford
Jane, Daur, Un, 16, Gloucester, Beckford
Julia, Daur, Un, 13, Gloucester, Beckford
Emma, Daur, Un, 11, Gloucester, Beckford
Sophia, Daur, Un, 9, Gloucester, Beckford
Caroline, Daur, 7, Gloucester, Beckford
Hannah, Daur, 4, Gloucester, Beckford
Thomas, Grandson, 3, London

GR 1861 Census, Malthouse, Ashton under Hill, Worcs,
Thomas TAYLOR Head, Mar, 65, Butcher, Gloucester, Bishops Cleeve
Ann, Wife, Mar, 58, Gloucester, Forthampton
John, Son, Un, 32, Butcher, Gloucester, Beckford
Charles R, Son, Un, 29, Ag Lab, Gloucester, Beckford
Hannah M, Daur, Un, 14, Gloucester, Beckford

This suggests that the Hannah Maria in the Hospital may not be the daughter of Henry Taylor.

1. Alice died too.
2. There were four children. Listed in one of my previous posts. But can only find local baptism for George.
3. Typo. She died 1895.
4. I found the prison records too but discounted them due to age difference. It is a big difference.

1. What happened to Alfred's first wife Alice after their son died ? Not essential but would like to know out of pure interest if ok with you. The fact his next daughter was also named Alice suggests he didn't completely fall-out with his first wife despite his illness, I do hope so.
And what a terrible coincidence, the boat also being called Alice.... if I was in his position I think I'd be trying to erase that name from my memory, not give it to my next child, ah well.

2. You mention Elizabeth came back to Coleford to give birth to her children - it seemed quite normal in those days to return to your mother for childbirth. However you say children - did she have more than one, I'm not sure we looked for others but I only recall seeing the baptism record for one, George, so if you have other names and dates that would help. Especially if she returned from South Africa to give birth to them.

3. You say Elizabeth died in S.A. in 1884. I hope this is a typo error, and she lived a much longer life than that ?

4. Interesting you mention Hannah may have been at Millbank prison, in Westminster London. That building has itself a very interesting history, it's now the sight of the Tate Britain Gallery !. I don't know how common a nameset this was, but it does seem more than a coincidence and maybe the matron is indeed your Hannah. Have you found her later in life (sorry can't recall if we did in this thread) ? Re the Alfred Head inmate, as soon as I first saw your enquiry I thought there would be a London or Southeast England link, as that's a surname I associate with this area (I've lived in West London for 35 years and know some Heads), but not the Forest. I'm sure there were a great many men called Alfred Head in the area, and I guess the Prison in 1881 had a fair few inmates, so maybe it is just a coincidence ?. Again would be interesting to try and trace his life a little if possible. I see the prison's function changed shortly after the 1881 census, see
https://www.prisonhistory.org/prison/millbank-prison/

I look forward to your thoughts when convenient.
Thanks again for your interesting posts.
atb J

More interesting background reading re Millbank prison..
http://www.choleraandthethames.co.uk/cholera-in-london/cholera-in-westminster/millbank-...

I thought you may all be interested in the following:-

Alfred Head first marriage was to Alice Stevens and they lived in Camberwell, Alice and their son Alfred died when the Princess Alice pleasure boat sank in 1878. Alfred was a Baker in the old kent road and was so distraught that he slept on the floor of the bakery until he became ill, hence a stay in hospital nursed by Hannah Taylor, they married and Alice Head daughter was born. The doctors said that Alfred needed clean air for his lungs so the family moved to coleford where Hannahs parents lived and where she was born.

Elizabeth Taylor, Hannahs sister emigrated to South Africa where she met and married George Duncan in Port Elizabeth in 1884. I have found the family tree of the Duncans on Ancestry and have been in contact with a distant cousin. He has confirmed that Hannah was related, what we still cant find or work out is why Elizabeth emigrated, she seems to come back to coleford to give birth to her children and then goes back to SA, she died in Barbeton SA in 1884. George Duncan emigrated from Scotland in 1882 and was a very successful business man during the gold rush, opening general stores and investing in a gold mine.

I have found an entry on the 1881 census for Hannah Marie Taylor as a matron at the millbank prison, although I was unsure at first it was her because of the different birth year given as 1848, previous posts suggest she falsified her dob so could this be her, having printed out the census I find an Alfred Head listed as a soldier from Albury Surrey also on this census, coincidence !! I know that the prison was used as a medical facility,his age doesn't fit either.

would appreciate your thoughts.

kindest regards
Jan

That does seem fairly conclusive, especially given the Baptism record in Coleford, and possibly their choice of second names (Benjamin & Henry) for couple of their sons.

Also matches well with Mike Shepway's posts.

Thanks all, think we got there in the end.

Thanks for helping me see the woods for the trees.

J

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Still confused why GlosBMD have JOYNES as Benjamin's mother tho.
Could this mean she (Ann) had been married previously ?

Or just a transcript error ?

Or is Ann not Ben's mother ?

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Maybe best stick to searching Hannah & Elizabeth, as per the question haha

Altho I did wonder if she was trying to seem older than she actually was because of her job. Altho I guess it didn't matter in those days ??