Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Albert Walford, Lydbrook

Albert Walford, Lydbrook (reply)

julie whitworth — Tue, 09 May 2006 11:13:34 +0000

Hi Carol

Looked on the 1851 census, the only Albert Walford that came up was
Albert Walford born abt 1850 Bridgewater, Somerset Nephew.

I did find on the bmd a marriage for Thomas Walford 1842 Ross dist vol 26 page 320, also on the same page was a Elizabeth Janes.

1861 census Elizabeth Walford age 48 born Newnham glos
Thomas Walford age 56 born Allerbridge, Worcester occ tailor

source info R99/3983, Monmouth, Coleford, folio 57 page p4.

Julie

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

Andrew Walford — Mon, 08 May 2006 11:07:07 +0000

Hello Carol,

I believe Michael Gwilliam may be right in that Martha Williams and Martha Walford are the same person.

In my records I have the following:-

1871 Census Lydbrook Hill

Martha Walford 59 widow Home Duties born Kidderminster
Frederick Walford 23 son Coal Worker born Lydbrook

If you look at the 1851 census that Mike supplied including Albert Williams and replace the surname Williams with Walford then you surely have the same family.

As I mentioned in my earlier message Richard Walford and Mary Coley had a daughter Martha c 1812. They also had a son William Walford 1814(my greatx3 grandfather) when William married his second wife in 1867 at Lydbrook a witness was Martha Walford.
When Mary Walford 1819 the daughter of Richard Walford married at Ruardean in 1852 a witness was Martha Walford. This suggests that Martha 1812 also moved to Lydbrook.
Another son of Richard and Mary also moved to Lydbrook his name was Thomas Walford who was a tailor as was his father Richard Walford. Thomas was married to Charlotte on the 1841 census and Elizabeth 1851, 1861. There's no sign of him marrying a Martha.
Mike Gwilliam mentioned a Martha Walford died in 1878 at Lydbrook, she would be the correct age to be Martha c1812 .
Is it not possible that Martha Walford 1812 married a Thomas Williams and reverted to Walford for whatever reason after being a widow, her children also changing surnames to their mother's name of Walford.

Albert Walford, Lydbrook (reply)

Carol Walsh — Mon, 08 May 2006 10:53:26 +0000

Hi Julie
Thank you for your reply to my message. Do you happen to have access to an 1851 census? Our Albert was born early in the 1840's so presumably after the 1841 census was taken, and when I find a cesnsus report with "Albert Walford" on it, I will be a very happy person indeed.
Thank you once again.
Cheers
Carol

Albert Walford, Lydbrook (reply)

julie whitworth — Mon, 08 May 2006 09:19:46 +0000

1841 census: place Lydbrook (Lidbrook) Civil parish Dean Forest/St. Briavells, Glos

Charlotte walford born abt 1796
Harriet " " " 1833
Henry " " " 1827
John " " " 1831
Kezia " " " 1838
Mary " " " 1829
Samuel " " " 1826
Sealena " " " 1835
Thomas " " " 1801 occupation tailor

source info H010107/364/11 reg dist Ross/ sub reg dist Ross
ED instition 11a
folio 55

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

shepway — Mon, 08 May 2006 05:49:51 +0000

I have a suspicion that Martha WILLIAMS is in fact Martha WALFORD.
1841, 1861 and 1871 Census entries for Martha and family may help as may this death registration:

Deaths Mar 1878
WALFORD Martha 67 Westbury S. 6a 168

This is the entry from the Burial Register:
Martha WALFORD

Entry Number: 564
Year: 1878
Month: Feb
Day: 13
Surname: WALFORD
Forenames: Martha
Place of Residence: The Lime Kilns, Lydbrook
Age at Death: 67 years
Officiating Minister: H. T. Hoitt, Vicar
Cause of Death:
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P208 IN 1/11
Page Number: 71
Church/Chapel: Lydbrook

Mike

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

Carol Walsh — Sun, 07 May 2006 22:45:03 +0000

Hi Mike
Thank you for your reply. The family I am trying to locate is surname WALFORD. In particular Albert Walford, born Lydbrook c1844, son of Thomas Walford and possibly Martha. The birth doesn't seem to have been registered as I have been unable to find it within civil registration. The only other thing I can think of is that he had another given name, but used Albert. Albert came to New Zealand in 1875 with his wife and five children, the youngest of whom was my grandfather, Samuel Walford. Samuel had three daughters, so with the death of my mother, his youngest daughter, that particular line has died out here in New Zealand. I do not know if Albert Walford had any brothers or sisters, as none came to New Zealand with his family as far as I know.
Anything else you can dig up will be most welcome.
Thanks again
Carol

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

shepway — Sun, 07 May 2006 21:15:26 +0000

Is this the family that is being sought?
from 1851 Census:
All that Part of the Township of East Dean which Comprises Lydbrook Hill, Moorwood, Vention Joys Green Hausley Reddings Pludds and Aston Bridge Lodge In Herberts Walk Eclesiastical District Holy Trinity

1959 0132 081 Moorwood Coppice WILLIAMS Martha HD W 38 - WOR Kiddermi[n]ster
1959 0132 081 Moorwood Coppice WILLIAMS Richard SO U 16 Coal Miner GLS Lydbrook
1959 0132 081 Moorwood Coppice WILLIAMS Marey DA U 14 - GLS Lydbrook
1959 0132 081 Moorwood Coppice WILLIAMS Alfred SO U 13 Coal Miner GLS Lydbrook
1959 0132 081 Moorwood Coppice WILLIAMS Harriet DA U 10 - GLS Lydbrook
1959 0132 081 Moorwood Coppice WILLIAMS Albert SO U 6 At Home GLS Lydbrook
1959 0132 081 Moorwood Coppice WILLIAMS Frederick SO U 3M At Home GLS Lydbrook

We have Albert born Lydbrook and of correct age with a mother Martha who is widowed. Did Martha marry again?

Mike

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

Carol Walsh — Sun, 07 May 2006 16:09:30 +0000

Hi Andrew
Thank you for your reply. My great-grandfather Albert was born (as far as we know) in Lydbrook, Gloucestershire about 1844, so on the fact of it, it doesn't look as though there is a connection, but the dates would tie in and a couple of the names have repeated themselves in later generations, e.g. Harriet and Selma/Selena. My grandfather who was born in Gloucestershire (registration is Newnham) in 1875 was Samuel. However, all this could be coincidence, but I welcome anything at all that may help.
Thanks again
Cheers
Carol

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

Andrew Walford — Sun, 07 May 2006 07:52:12 +0000

Richard Walford married Mary Coley 13 Dec 1802 Old Swinford, Worcs

Had children:- Jane Walford c 10 Feb 1805 Old Swinford
Thomas Walford born Stourbridge abt 1805
Martha Walford c 3 Apr 1812 Kidderminster
William Walford c 18 March 1814 Kidderminster
Richard Walford c 14 December 1815 Kidderminster

Mary Walford died December 1815 aged 33

Richard Walford re-married Charlotte Matthews 15 Sep 1818 Halesowen

Had child:- Mary Walford c 12 July 1819

Thomas Walford 1805 married Charlotte who died November 1841

Had children:- Samuel Walford born abt 1825
Henry Walford born abt 1826
Mary Walford born abt 1828
John Walford born abt 1830
Harriot Walford born abt 1832
Selena? Walford born abt 1834
Keziah Walford born abt 1837

Remarried Elizabeth James, Widow daughter of John Cooper 25 Dec 1842

William Walford 1814-1890 married Eliza Dovey

Had children:- Abiah Walford c 14 Jan 1838 E Bicknor
Mary Anne Walford c 14 Apr 1839 E Bicknor
Richard Walford born 9 Apr 1841
Elizabeth Walford c 2 Apr 1843 E Bicknor
William Walford c 1 Dec 1844 E Bicknor
Samuel Walford c 8 Nov 1846 E Bicknor

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

Carol Walsh — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:31:38 +0000

Once again - thank you
Yes I have seen the BMD entries. The Albert Walford marriage of 1866 - Ross-on-Wye is the correct one.
But Thomas has me stumped. According to Albert's death certificate, his father was Thomas and his mother Martha. I can't find a match anywhere. The Thomas Walford marriage of 1842 ddoesn't have a match with a Martha.
A Thomas Walford did marry a Martha in (I think) 1858, so it is possible that he was married twice, and the Martha listed on Albert's death certificate as his mother was actually his step-mother. It is all just guesswork really.
However, if I am really lucky someone else may see this and have the answers I am seeking.
Your help has been great in reinforcing some of my theories and making them fact.
Thanks again
Carol

BMD Stuff - may help with Thomas (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 04:51:42 +0000

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1842
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Walford Thomas Ross 26 320

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Marriages Sep 1852
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WALFORD Mary Ann Ross 6a 707

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Marriages Mar 1866
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WALFORD Albert Ross 6a 592

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Blake, Walford (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:50:09 +0000

» census material containing Thomas Walford, born approx 1820 - give or take

No young children listed - but a William was found boarding - could he be a William Albert >?

1851
WALFORD Thomas 45 Tailor Stourbridge
Elizabeth 40 Newnham
John 21 Labourer Lydbrook

1861
Anchorberry - Thomas a sailor - no children listed
Thomas Walford abt 1805 Atterbridge, Worcestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Walford abt 1813 Newmain, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

Eliza Walford abt 1857 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Tipton Staffordshire
Emily Walford abt 1829 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tipton Staffordshire
John Walford abt 1830 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Tipton Staffordshire
John Walford abt 1860 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son Tipton Staffordshire

another Walford - but Albert does not fit ! (reply)

Carol Walsh — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:46:05 +0000

No he doesn't.
Albert was married in Ross-on-Wye in Feb 1866, so the c1844 birthdate is much more likely. According to his death certificate, his father was Thomas, and his mother Martha, but I haven't been able to pick up a likely marriage match
after 1837. I have no idea, either about Albert's siblings, which was why I was hoping for a census with Thomas as the head of house. Given that all the data I have seems to include Lydbrook,Walford, Ross-on-Wye and other places roughly in the same area, I can't imagine that they went very far until Albert decided to emigrate to New Zealand.
Thank you for all your help to date.
Kind regards
Carol

another Walford - but Albert does not fit ! (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:27:41 +0000

1861 Farm hand / Carpet Weaver
Mary Ann Walford abt 1818 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Wife Kidderminster Worcestershire
Thomas Walford abt 1816 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Head Kidderminster Worcestershire
Albert Walford abt 1853 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Son Kidderminster Worcestershire
Eliza Walford abt 1847 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Daughter Kidderminster Worcestershire
Elizabeth Walford abt 1855 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Daughter Kidderminster Worcestershire
Ellen Walford abt 1857 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Daughter Kidderminster Worcestershire

1871
Albert Walford abt 1853 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Assistant Bromsgrove Worcestershire

1881
Albert Walford abt 1855 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Unknown "Norton Barracks" Worcester Pershore, Norton By Kempsey, Worcestershire, England

explanation (reply)

Carol Walsh — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:22:13 +0000

Thank you
Of course I should have picked up on that.
I am still interested in Thomas Walford if you can find him anywhere.
Kind regards
Carol

explanation (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:06:47 +0000

Emma Blake abt 1854 Baerston, Herefordshire, England Daughter Walford Herefordshire

NAME; DoB; where born; relationship to Head; Census "parish"

Blake, Walford (reply)

Carol Walsh — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:41:00 +0000

Dear Slowhands
Thank you very much once again. This is great. Can you tell me please, exactly which census areas these come from, and do you possibly have any census material containing Thomas Walford, born approx 1820 - give or take a few years?
I look forward to hearing from you again.
Kind regards
Carol

Blake, Walford (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:18:44 +0000

1861
Emma Blake abt 1854 Baerston, Herefordshire, England Daughter Walford Herefordshire
James Blake abt 1851 Baerston, Herefordshire, England Son Walford Herefordshire
Martha Blake abt 1844 Baerston, Herefordshire, England Daughter Walford Herefordshire
Rosanna Blake abt 1808 Walford, Herefordshire, England Wife Walford Herefordshire
Samuel Blake abt 1847 Baerston, Herefordshire, England Son Walford Herefordshire
Thomas Blake abt 1809 Bridstow, Herefordshire, England Head Walford Herefordshire
William Blake abt 1838 Baerston, Herefordshire, England Son Walford Herefordshire

Albert Walford, Lydbrook (reply)

Carol Walsh — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:19:40 +0000

Thank you so much for your prompt reply.
The 1871 census information is exactly the correct family, although we have Rosannah Blaker as Rosannah Blake. The elder Ellen Walford named in the census was Ellen Blake(r) and daughter of Rosannah. Albert and Ellen Walford came to New Zealand with their five children in 1875. Three of the children are named in the census - Harriet, Ellen and Emma. Rosannah and Samuel were not yet born. Rosannah was born in 1873 and Samuel in 1875. Samuel was my grandfather.
If there is any further information you know of, I would be even more grateful than I am already.
Thank you once again
Carol

Albert Walford, Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:36:04 +0000

Probably adds more confusion, but I suspect this family is linked !

1841 Bicknor English
Lydbrook HO107 /364/ 2 folio 13

William WALFORD 25 Coal Miner N
Eliza 30 Y
Abia 3 Y
Mary 2 Y
Richard 2 months Y

1851
WALFORD William 36 Waterman Ruardean
Eliza 37 English Bicknor
Abia 14 Scholar English Bicknor
Mary Ann 12 Scholar English Bicknor
Richard 10 Scholar English Bicknor
Elizabeth 8 Scholar English Bicknor
William 6 Scholar English Bicknor
Samuel 4 Scholar English Bicknor

1861
William Walford abt 1816 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Walford abt 1811 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Walford abt 1841 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Samuel Walford abt 1847 Lybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

Elizabeth Walford abt 1843 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Servant Cheltenham Gloucestershire

Henry Sovey abt 1816 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head English Bicknor Gloucestershire
William Sovey abt 1814 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Brother English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Mary A Walford abt 1836 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Niece English Bicknor Gloucestershire
William Walford abt 1844 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Boarder English Bicknor Gloucestershire

1871
William Walford abt 1816 Kidderminster Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Walford abt 1816 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

Patrick Clark abt 1823 Ireland Lodger Tipton Staffordshire
William Walford abt 1845 Bichna, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Tipton Staffordshire

1871
Rossannah Blaker abt 1812 Walford, Herefordshire, England Head Widow Ross Herefordshire
James Blaker abt 1851 Bishopston, Gloucestershire, England Son Ross Herefordshire
Samuel Blaker abt 1847 Walford, Herefordshire, England Son Ross Herefordshire
Albert Walford abt 1844 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son-in-law Ross Herefordshire
Ellen Walford abt 1842 Bridstow, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross Herefordshire
Ellen Walford abt 1869 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandchild Ross Herefordshire
Emma Walford abt 1870 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandchild Ross Herefordshire
Harriett Walford abt 1866 Ross, Herefordshire, England Grandchild Ross Herefordshire