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Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

angell201056 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:39:33 +0000

I will look into that thank you.

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

john vaughan — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:47:04 +0000

In Hewelsfield church directly in from the door or perhaps at 11 o-clock , there is a tapestry style map of the graveyard, done by the local ladies. Underneath it is a beautiful copperplate book with the names and legend of the map. Well worth having a look . Done in 2000 I think.

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:03:00 +0000

Anyone have a photo of this inscription.?

Thanks you

Yes I have visited this afternoon and found the tombstone. Images supplied off line

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

angell201056 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:44:56 +0000

That could be the answer as to why WM is not in the burial register, I will have to look into this further. Anyone have a photo of this inscription.?

Thanks you

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

angell201056 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:42:02 +0000

Thanks for that information. I have already looked into this birth of 1792 on Ancestry, but so far it has not helped. I will keep trying.!!

Best wishes

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

HarryBrook — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:30:45 +0000

The churchyard at St. Mary Magdalene, Hewelsfield is just a small rural burial ground, probably about one hundred grave memorials, or thereabouts. Some are relatively modern since part of the cemetery is being re-used. There is no military section.
I believe the M.I.s which slowhands quoted from were recorded in 1988 so it is possible the stone no longer exists or is now so dilapidated or overgrown as to be unreadable.
As there is no burial recorded in the parish records on this site it is possible the M.I. recorded could be just a commemoration and Lt.-Col. Moule is buried elsewhere.

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

Roger Griffiths — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:01:42 +0000

Slowhands has done his usual magic as to family connections. I think it would be useful to look further into Charles Paget, baptized St Georges, Hanover Square, Westminster 1792 (Entry is on Ancestry but I don't subscribe). It may just lead to why they were buried together. I know nothing, but CP may have acted as a mentor to a 30 year younger soldier of promise.

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

Roger Griffiths — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:50:54 +0000

Any chance of a Link to his photograph?

William MOULE 1824 - 1880 marr. in Gloucester Harriet HOWARD (reply)

angell201056 — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 08:35:30 +0000

Thank you for all that information and the time you have taken to help me.

Best wishes

William MOULE 1824 - 1880 marr. in Gloucester Harriet HOWARD (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:51:54 +0000

Many Thanks

It appears as thought the Inscription is on the same "stone"

William dies and probate granted to his brother - assume no wife or children

Charles Paget dies probate to his niece, again assume no wife or children

Both men have an Army background.

So is Charles an uncle of William ? or related to his wife Louisa ???

Assumption partially incorrect !!!

William MOULE was married and she is Charles PAGET's Niece - Harriet Louisa

1851 Swansea
Charles Howard 45 Little Baddow Essex
Harriet Howard 40 Mildenhall
Harriet C Howard 11 Reading
Emma Howard 9 marstow Wilts
Charles F Howard 8 Childrey Berks
Sidney Howard 6 Wickwar
Sarah A Howard 4 Swansea
Rosa F Howard 2 Swansea

1861 ????
Edward Head abt 1823 Shornport, Worcestershire, England Head Gloucester St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Harriet Head abt 1840 Kent, England Wife Gloucester St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire

1861 Spring Vale
Charles Paget abt 1792 St Georges Hasvon Sq, London, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire Rtd Army Captain
Louisa Howard abt 1842 Windsor, Berkshire, England Niece Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

Name: William Moule & Harriet Louisa Howard
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1862
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 489

MOULE William
HEAD Harriet Louisa
HOWARD Harriet Louisa
Gloucester Gloucester St Michael
1862 35x No 2 80

1881
Louisa Moule abt 1841 Windsor, Berkshire, England Boarder Portsea, Hampshire Widow

Name: William Meymott Farley & Harriet Louise Moule
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1881
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 711

1891
Louisa Friley abt 1838 Windsor, Berkshire, England Lady's Companion (Companion) Kensington, London

1901
Louise Farley abt 1836 Windsor, Surrey, England Visitor Liverpool, Lancashire

1911
Louisa Farley abt 1838 Windsor Visitor Tanworth, Warwickshire

possible death
Name: Louisa Farley
Birth Date: abt 1840
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1918
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Ticehurst
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 154

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/features/murder_at_the_vicarage_but_who_did_it_1_191259

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

angell201056 — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:22:24 +0000

Yes I was aware of the New Zealand connection thank you, but just confused as to why both the names are on the same stone. Does anyone have a photo of this stone.? Is this a military part of the cemetery?

Thanks for your reply anything you can come up with would be great.

Best wishes

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

angell201056 — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:17:48 +0000

Thanks for that, yes maybe they are related somehow,I will have to look into it.

Best woshes

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

Roger Griffiths — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:59:36 +0000

I can't help much, but can point you to some considerations. I did some searches on the net and came up with a lot of references. Lt. Col. Moule was military and police commander for NZ, or part of it in the 1860's. NZ is referred to in a foregoing post. He named the now city of Hamilton after an RN captain of HMS Esk.

Charles Paget was also army. He may have been from THE Paget family (Marquess of Anglesey). St Georges, Hanover Square (see earlier post) was where the great and the good got baptized and or married. One branch of the Paget family was at Rogate, Surrey.

I tried to find a connection to Hewelsfield. I found some references, but not the substance. It may not be of any significance, Neville Chamberlain is buried in North Hampshire, not Birmingham.

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:54:12 +0000

Thank you for all the information,that's a great help. I still cannot understand why someone who died in Surrey was buried in Gloucestershire.!! Why also was the memorial inscription with Charles Paget!! Are they buried together or is this inscription in the church or just a plaque somewhere in the churchyard.?

Many Thanks

It appears as thought the Inscription is on the same "stone"

William dies and probate granted to his brother - assume no wife or children

Charles Paget dies probate to his niece, again assume no wife or children

Both men have an Army background.

So is Charles an uncle of William ? or related to his wife Louisa ???

<><><>< mention of a scandal and wife Louisa ?????

Moule was later Lt. Col commanding the Armed Constabulary and Waikato Militia in New Zealand.

William Moule was born in Middlesex 1824 and enlisted in the 10th Hussars c.1842. Obviously a man of talents, he rose through the ranks of the regiment quickly in India in the late 1840's and by the time of the Crimean War in 1854 was a senior NCO, as Troop Serjeant Major. It was here that his abilities were once more recognised and he was appointed Cornet, without purchase, in the 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons in 1855. (It is in this rank that his Crimea medal is named). In 1858, the Inniskillings were sent to India, but did not take part in the Mutiny campaigns. It is from this period that the oval photograph shown here is taken; in fact, in Brighton, in early '58 just on the eve of departure to India. Moule exchanges into the 15th Foot in 1861 (see below).

Cornet and Adjutant William Moule 6th Dragoons to have the rank of Lieutenant. Dated 23rd October 1857.
Lieutenant William Moule, from the 6th Dragoons, to be Lieutenant 15th Foot . Dated 9th April, 1861.

Moule arrives in New Zealand somewhere around 1862-3. By July 1863, he is Captain and Adjutant of 2nd class Battalion of the Auckland Militia.
Moule progressed rapidly through the ranks in the Militia from Captain in later July to Major in November, indicating that he did have an established military background. He was c ommissioned Lieutenant Colonel, 21 April 1864. He was relieved from service on 20 July 1865.
William Moule was gazetted Hamilton's first J.P. 1865
Feb 1866 - Lt. Col. Moule is in command of the 4th Waikato Militia and subsequently was made Colonel Commandant of all the Waikato Forces.
In 1870, Colonel Fraser, commanding the militia and in charge of the Armed Constabulary in the Bay of Plenty, had died, and Colonel Moule was appointed to take his place. Shortly after his arrival at Tauranga he was also made Resident Magistrate there. He was to finish his official life in New Zealand as Under Secretary for Defence and Officer in command of the Armed Constabulary. It was said of him that:
"He had a very keen sense of duty, and there is no doubt that he carried out his responsibilities as fairly and justly as he was able. But his very conscientiousness made him impatient of those who were less scrupulously exact. His luxuriant curly brown beard lay below a long nose and rather worried, though kind eyes."
Moule's private life was embroiled in scandal by an acrimonious divorce petition in March 1864, well reported in the NZ press. He was accused of deserting his wife, who it was inferred was having another liason with a man....this same woman, his wife, Louisa, was also later embroiled in a murder case back in England when she had remarried following Moule's death.

William Moule died in Surrey, England after a long a painful illness, on 25th June 1880. He had never claimed a New Zealand medal awarded for the Maori wars of this period, despite his long service in the field. Indeed, there is no record of him ever petitioning for one.

An important medal awarded to an important man for New Zealand's Military during this period of turmoil. With copy photos and lots of research. Well worthy of further study - his letters written during his time as Lt Col commanding are held extensively in NZ Archives.

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

angell201056 — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:29:56 +0000

Thank you for all the information,that's a great help. I still cannot understand why someone who died in Surrey was buried in Gloucestershire.!! Why also was the memorial inscription with Charles Paget!! Are they buried together or is this inscription in the church or just a plaque somewhere in the churchyard.?

Many Thanks

Lt Col William MOULE 1824 - 1880 Hewelsfield burial (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:59:19 +0000

I found a burial record on another site for Col William Moule who died 25th June 1880 aged 55 and was buried in St Mary Magdalene Churchyard Hewelsfield Gloucester.

I have searched parish records on this site but have been unable to find a burial record.!! Does anyone have a photograph of the headstone or any details at all about William please. He may have been buried next to or with Charles Paget who died 31st March 1862 aged 70 again a photograph would be fantastic.

Many Thanks

Memorial Inscription - Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
St Mary Magdalene's Churchyard (Slowhands, 18th Feb 2012)

Single Tombstone on West of Graveyard, to left of main path

{south face}
In Memory of Charles PAGET,
31 March 1862, Aged 70 Years
{north face}
Also of L Col William MOULE
Formerly Commissioner of Armed Constabulary in New Zealand
who died at East Mousley, Surrey, 25th June 1880, Aged 55
Waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1

BMD entry:-
Name: William Moule
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1880
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Kingston
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 188

Probate:-
Name: William Moule
Probate Date: 15 Sep 1880
Death Date: 25 Jun 1880
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: Principal Registry

at 3 Thyra Villas Vine Rd East Mousley
by Brother Robert Wine Merchant of Ilfracombe Devon

1881 9 Hillsborough Terr Ilfracombe
Robert Moule abt 1828 Brighton, Sussex, England Head Ilfracombe, Devon
Julia Moule abt 1831 Frome, Somerset, England Wife Ilfracombe, Devon
Julia M. Moule abt 1857 Tredegar, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Ilfracombe, Devon
Annie C. Moule abt 1861 Ilfracombe, Devon, England Daughter Ilfracombe, Devon
Emma E. Moule abt 1862 Ilfracombe, Devon, England Daughter Ilfracombe, Devon
Louisa E. Moule abt 1864 Ilfracombe, Devon, England Daughter Ilfracombe, Devon
William J. Moule abt 1866 Ilfracombe, Devon, England Son Ilfracombe, Devon
Charlotte R. Moule abt 1868 Ilfracombe, Devon, England Daughter Ilfracombe, Devon

name:Robert Moule
gender:Male
baptism/christening date:15 Jul 1827
baptism/christening place:St. Nicholas', Brighton, Sussex, England
father's name:John Moule
mother's name:Mary Moule

probable William

name:William Moule
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:28 Nov 1824
baptism/christening place:Royston, Hertford, England
father's name:John Moule
mother's name:Mary

<><><> Captain Charles PAGET, Dragoon Guards

The Examiner Feb 1826

"on the 9th inst at Cheltenham Captain Charles PAGET Second [Regiment of ]Dragoon Guards to Frances, third daughter of the late William EDWARDS of New Broad St"

WAR-OFFICE, July 20, 1832.
2d Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Captain Charles Paget,
from half-pay of the Regiment, to be Captain, vice Curtit,
deceased.

Reference:PROB 11/2115/133
Description: Will of Charles Paget, Late in the 2nd Dragoon Guards of Sussex Gardens Hyde Park , Middlesex
Date: 29 June 1850

<><><> Charles PAGET 1792 ?

1861 Spring Vale
Charles Paget abt 1792 St Georges Hasvon Sq, London, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire Rtd Army Captain
Louisa Howard abt 1842 Windsor, Berkshire, England Niece Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Hannah Park abt 1845 Windon, Somerset, England Servant Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

Year: 1862
Month: Apr
Day: 7
Surname: PAGET
Forenames: Charles
Residence: Hewelsfield
Age_at_death: 69
Officiating_Minister: L Lukin Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Capt[ai]n & Paymaster. Rifle [?]
Notes: written under name
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/6
Page_No: 57
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Probate
Name: Charles Paget
Probate Date: 17 Apr 1862
Death Date: 31 Mar 1862
Death Place: Gloucestershire, England
Registry: Gloucester

Sole executor Louisa HEAD otherwise HOWARD spinster

Current address
Spring Vale Mill Hill Brockweir, Gloucestershir NP16 7NW

Col William Moule Burial Hewelsfield 1880

angell201056 — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:49:21 +0000

I found a burial record on another site for Col William Moule who died 25th June 1880 aged 55 and was buried in St Mary Magdalene Churchyard Hewelsfield Gloucester.

I have searched parish records on this site but have been unable to find a burial record.!! Does anyone have a photograph of the headstone or any details at all about William please. He may have been buried next to or with Charles Paget who died 31st March 1862 aged 70 again a photograph would be fantastic.

Many Thanks