Forest of Dean FHT Forum - William Henry Hawkins, and HUFC

William Henry Hawkins, and HUFC (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 16:43:43 +0000

Hi Sheila,
thats great news to hear of a happy ending to your long hunt, thanks so much for posting !. Sounds like the good old GWR played it's part again ?...
No doubt like many of us I've found a few possible ancestors in London, it's easy to discount them as coincidental matches due to their apparent distance from home, but maybe not especially if they're in the Western end, what with Paddington railway station or even Paddington Canal Basin before that.
Indeed my mum always thought my dad's elderly mother was from London, purely as her sister lived there - it turned out she was the only one of eight siblings who'd left their Forest homeland, to work in service in Ealing. Yet when I did much the same 80 years later mum thought I was mad !!
Re my Longhope mum I have also been hunting some Hawkins' lately, originally from Tewkesbury way but married into our family, plenty of William & Henrys in there too. Perhaps we're related ?.

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Talking of me being "mad", yes I do follow Hereford United with a passion, thanks for asking. I have no family connection with the city whatsoever. However like all Foresters with a "real" understanding of roundball football they're the traditional automatic "local" team to follow..... yet sadly I know some poor unfortunates including my nephew who have sadly been drawn to the dark side and even dare I say it Ashton Gate, so very sad... ;-)
I guess it's an age thing; as a kid in the late 70s Hereford were successful with full houses and, having not seen live football before, their little stadium was an exciting place to go, regular buses ran from all over the Forest including my Cinderford home. My first memory of them was aged 10 visiting my nan's pub at Longhope in '73, watching the Newcastle FA Cup game on MOTD in her sittingroom, and "that" goal. I recall it was a busy, happy, night; we usually visited if they were extra busy so dad could help behind the bar - I still drive past the pub on the main road from here (West London) via Gloster for football, so I like to think there were some happy fans in that night on their way home from the game.
I know quite a few Foresters of my age or older who still follow the Whites, including some despite having to move far away for work. Up until the 80s or so they were heavily covered by the Forest issue of the Gloster Citizen paper, more recently that had to switch to young upstarts Cheltenham Town for business reasons. Quite understandably given our poor showings these last few years my nephew also visits Ashton Gate, I think influenced by his driver dad - he took me to my first game there, a late 70s First Division game against Birmingham, to watch Trevor Francis just before he became Britain's "first million pound player - a relative bargain now !! A year or two later I worked with a City fan who took coaches from the Forest to their away games, in the interest of young romance I saw City well beaten at Anfield, Wolves, etc etc; but my heart was and still is with the Whites, especially after City miraculously stopped us getting to a Wembley Final in 86 !.
Thankfully and unlike many other lower/nonleague clubs HUFC are known & even fondly regarded throughout the land, part of Cup folklore, which makes it easier to support them especially when living so far away. Judging by both our clubs' current form it seems possible that we're be playing City again in a few years, something I thought impossible 15 years ago, but if little Cheltenham can be on the verge of it now then so can we ..??. On that depressing thought for your family please accept my sympathy to their current plight, I know how dismal they must be feeling at the moment, but when all is said and done it really is ONLY a game despite what others have famously said.
atb Jeff.
(Seriously tho' I applaud all who follow their local(ish) team, at any sport, especially unglamourous & largely unsuccessful ones like ours...).

William Henry Hawkins (reply)

selbyfamily — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 15:23:46 +0000

Thought everyone would like to know I have now been contacted by a member of the Hawkins family and between us we have sorted out the family of William Henry Hawkins. He was married to Beatrice G M Bush in Sept q 1918 in Paddington and died in Bristol in 1969. Members of his family still live in the Forest. Just shows you must never give up searching. There is always someone out there who can help.

Thanks to all. Sheila

William Henry HAWKINS 1885 Coleford ->Lydney (reply)

selbyfamily — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:34:19 +0000

Thanks for your trouble Slowhands. However, I know there are several William Henry Hawkins of about the right age living in the Pontypridd area (where a lot of this family went) but equally they were born there and not in Fod so without the 1921 Census I think we are stuck at the moment. Maybe something will turn up - it quite often does if you wait a while!

Sheila

William Henry HAWKINS 1885 Coleford ->Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 08:56:26 +0000

1911 46 Newerne Street Lydney Glos
Charles Hawkins 54 Coleford
Ellen Hawkins 54 Coleford
William Hawkins 25 Coleford Tinplate worker
Katherine Hawkins 23 Coleford
Beatrice Hawkins 19 Coleford
Charles Hawkins 17 Coleford
Milsom Hawkins 15 Coleford
Hilda Hawkins 12 Lydney

So where did he go?

I cannot find a reasonable match for a death / marriage in Chepstow registration district (yet) so perhaps he moved away.

South Wales was the centre of tinplate Swansea/ Port Talbot to Llanelly area in particular.

So a "person" to investigate out of the possible death records might be :-
William H Hawkins abt 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep 1950 Bridgend Glamorganshire

Name: William Henry Hawkins
Probate Date: 3 Feb 1955
Death Date: 20 Dec 1954
Death Place: Glamorgan, Wales
Registry: Llandaff

... of 23 Meadow St Ogmore Vale
admin to widow Alice Sophia Lawrence
effects £227 17s 5d

or
William Hawkins abt 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep 1955 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
or
William Hawkins abt 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec 1968 Don Valley Yorkshire West Riding

There are numerous others , but I would struggle to find a steel / tin plate connection with these.......

William Hawkins abt 1884 Jul-Aug-Sep 1945 Dover Kent

William Hawkins abt 1884 Apr-May-Jun 1948 Norwich Norfolk

William H Hawkins abt 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec 1958 Wantage Berkshire

William H Hawkins abt 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec 1965 Surrey North Western Surrey

William Hawkins abt 1885 Jan-Feb-Mar 1943 Surrey Mid Eastern Surrey

William Hawkins abt 1885 Jan-Feb-Mar 1952 Ealing Middlesex

William Hawkins abt 1885 Apr-May-Jun 1952 Norwich Norfolk

William Hawkins abt 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep 1960 Nuneaton Warwickshire

William Hawkins abt 1885 Jan-Feb-Mar 1961 Battersea London

William Hawkins abt 1885 Jan-Feb-Mar 1963 Bedford Bedfordshire

William Hawkins abt 1885 Oct-Nov-Dec 1965 Yarmouth Norfolk

William Hawkins 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep 1970 Winchester Hampshire

William H Hawkins abt 1885 Jan-Feb-Mar 1924 Petersfield Hampshire

William H Hawkins abt 1885 Oct-Nov-Dec 1944 Derby Derbyshire

William H Hawkins abt 1885 Jan-Feb-Mar 1968 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

William Henry Hawkins 1885 Oct-Nov-Dec 1969 Bristol Gloucestershire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jan-Feb-Mar 1918 St Albans Hertfordshire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jan-Feb-Mar 1937 Newton Abbot Devon

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jan-Feb-Mar 1941 Birmingham Warwickshire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jul-Aug-Sep 1943 North Bucks Buckinghamshire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jan-Feb-Mar 1949 Woolwich London

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jan-Feb-Mar 1949 Gloucester Rural Gloucestershire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Apr-May-Jun 1949 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Apr-May-Jun 1952 Chesterfield Derbyshire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jul-Aug-Sep 1958 Bristol Gloucestershire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Jul-Aug-Sep 1960 Ely Cambridgeshire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Oct-Nov-Dec 1963 Newbury Berkshire

William Hawkins abt 1886 Oct-Nov-Dec 1968 Tonbridge Kent

William Hawkins 1886 Oct-Nov-Dec 1979 Bournemouth Dorset

William Henry Hawkins 1886 Apr-May-Jun 1971 Brentwood Essex

William Henry Hawkins (reply)

selbyfamily — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:41:37 +0000

Hi Jefff

Thanks for all the information. Taken a while to answer as I am suffering from a terrible cough and cold. Feel a bit better this morning! I had checked out all the relevant military records but they give the place of birth and not one of them belongs to our William Henry unfortunately. Military and Passenger Lists are the first port of call when someone is missing! William was with his family up to 1911 so none of the census entries people refer to belong to him. Can't see any connections with Wedmore - no relevant deaths there. I understand there are some nice shops there if you want a wedding outfit!
I'm pleased to see you support Hereford United! What is your connection? I am a Hereford girl myself though I'm afraid this household now supports Bristol City for their sins!

There are other Hawkins in another part of the Selby family but don't know if they re all connected. Will look into this sometime. Hopefully something will turn up for William in the future. Will keep looking and thanks for your help.

Sheila

William Henry Hawkins 1902 Berry Hill, (reply)

Llangrove — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:27:54 +0000

RE: "I presume this is the Marriage you found ?.
Being as its a Registry Office wedding I wonder if it's his second, so maybe the age isn't unusual ?

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HAWKINS William Henry BALDWIN Alice Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1936 34 6 "

BAPTISM Transcript Details FoDFH
Record_ID: 6472
Entry_Number: 756
Year: 1902
Month: Nov
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: HAWKINS
Child_Forenames: William Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Fanny
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C. Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Oct 23rd 1902
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: H252

MARRIAGE BMD Index
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1936
Baldwin Alice Hawkins Monmouth 11a 93
Hawkins William H Baldwin Monmouth 11a 93

William Henry Hawkins (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:02:44 +0000

Hi again Sheila,
I've just been searching for William on LDS and wonder if the following leads are worth further investigation ?. As you know there are a lot of William Hawkins to consider and even William Henry Hawkins, so it's a puzzle, but I have tried to be specific based on his birth year to narrow things down.
Hopefully your FindMyPast access will help sort these "possibles" very quickly.

William N Hawkins, "England and Wales Census, 1901"
Name: William N Hawkins
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender:
Age: 16
Relationship to Head of Household: Brother
Birthplace: Lydney, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: Coleford
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints Viney Hill
Civil Parish: West Dean (Gloucs)
District/Parish/County: Monmouthshire

Could this "N" be a misheard "Hen" ??. Or is it just a transcript error. The age and particularly location fits ?... is this the same William as per your 1901 Census records ?, sorry I cannot find rest of the household.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%2...

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I know FindMyPast has some good Army Records, I wonder if these men bear further checking ?

William Henry Hawkins, "United Kingdom, Militia Service Records, 1806-1915"
Name: William Henry Hawkins
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1806-1915
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: Gloucester
Birth Year (Estimated): 1887

William Hawkins, "United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913"
Name: William Hawkins
Event Type: Pension
Event Year Range: 1760-1913
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: Monmouthshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885

I do hope this helps clear rather than cloud your search - I thought I had problems searching out my William Jones in the multitude, but it seems we both have a huge choice to work thro !. Ah well its good to be busy...

All the very best !

UPDATE FOR SHEILA, ADDED SUNDAY 17th:
The following thread also has a few posts which refer to this Selby/Hawkins thread which may possibly be relevant to your family.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=40433#p40448

William Henry Hawkins (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:47:48 +0000

Thanks for clarifying Sheila, a shame for cheapskates like me who keep looking for PRs across the border and hence associated free sites; at the mo I don't like the chilly walk to my local library and the subscription sites.
(Please see my amended post above)

William Henry Hawkins (reply)

selbyfamily — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:28:25 +0000

Hi Jeff, I use findmypast and they are on there.
Sheila

William Henry Hawkins (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:16:29 +0000

No problem Sheila, thats good research insofar as one "possible" is ruled out.
Yes William Henry was a popular nameset in the area in those days, I've seen plenty in my Jones researches, grr ;-)

Your earlier post mentions your checking Monmouthshire Parish Registers. Are these available online without subscribing to Ancestry etc, if so where please ?
Thanks a lot, J.

PS re your finding the following marriage of Eva Hawkins:

Record_ID: 18040
Entry_Number: 487
Year: 1929
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: BARNFIELD
Grooms_Forenames: George Anthony Augustus
Grooms_Age: 38
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Yorkley Slade
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: BARNFIELD
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Frank
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Gardener
Brides_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Forenames: Eva
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Danby Lodge
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: William Henry Hawkins
Witness_2: George Vaughan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles R Williams
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Father of Groom deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 244
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

To me this marriage is clearly linked with the I quoted, all the Hawkins family home details match very well. To recap

Record_ID: 103429
Entry_Number: 60
Year: 1936
Month: Dec
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: HART
Grooms_Forenames: William James
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Soldier
Grooms_Residence: Danby Lodge Yorkley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: HART
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tax Collector
Brides_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Forenames: Doris May
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Danby Lodge Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Crown Worker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: William Francis James Hawkins
Witness_2: Albert Stanley Hawkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles R Williams Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Groom's father is deceased
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

Her Baptism seemed odd wrt quoted mother of Kate not the expected Elizabeth.
Record_ID: 106587
Entry_Number: 469
Year: 1913
Month: Nov
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: HAWKINS
Child_Forenames: Doris May
Fathers_Forenames: William Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Kate
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Purlieu Farm
Occupation: Haulier
Officiating_Minister: J Kyrle Chatfield Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Oct 9 1913
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 59
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H252

Altho it could be Kate Hendy, perhaps this is more probably the same Kate/Katherine (Hawkins) that appears in the 1901 & 1911 family Census as William's sister, but maybe not just that in later years ?.

In general, when I searched the FoD Hawkins PRs earlier Viney Hill Chapel appeared regularly in my findings, eg William Henry Hawkins b1884 of Yorkley parents James & Sarah.
Coincidence or ??. I suggest you search all Hawkins PRs for Viney Hill abt then for more possible similarities.

William Henry Hawkins (reply)

selbyfamily — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:50:10 +0000

Sorry everyone. Just re-read the marriage of William to Kate Hendy and it does actually given father's name as James Hawkins and it should be Charles so not the right marriage!
Sheila

William Henry Hawkins b1885, (reply)

selbyfamily — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:43:56 +0000

Just checked Fod Parish Records and Eva m George Barnfield on 16.2.1929 - father and witness William Henry Hawkins. I wonder if this is the right family. Will do a bit more researching.
Sheila

William Henry Hawkins b1885, (reply)

selbyfamily — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:33:13 +0000

Jeff,
I have looked at the Monmouthshire Parish Registers and the marriage you mention is to Kate Hendy on 1.4.1906 at Bedwelty. Unfortunately, William's father's name is just given as "Hawkins" so no help there. Found one child Eva Hawkins, b 5.9.1906, Bedwelty. Will see what more I can find on her.
Sheila

William Henry Hawkins b1885, (reply)

selbyfamily — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:13:39 +0000

Slowhands, the birth and census entries are what I have. Thanks.

Jeff, I will have a look through your information and see if anything rings a bell. Lots of this part of the Selby family did move to South Wales but not having a census to check with makes things more difficult.

From what I have found, there are lots of members of Ellen and Charles family still alive in the Forest area so it may be one of them will see this post and be able to help.

Thanks again. Sheila

William Henry HAWKINS 1885 Coleford ->Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:49:36 +0000

Hi Sheila,
trying to gert the picture, could this be your William ? I can't find his birth in the above thread so don't know what you already have ?

From GlosBMD: Birth Details

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HAWKINS William Henry HAWKINS HAWKINS SELBY 1885 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 43 331
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

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FreeBMD isn't so helpfull, giving these two possibles,

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Hawkins William Henry Monmouth 11a 23

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Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
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HAWKINS William Henry Monmouth 11a 21

I favour the Jan-March 1886 Registration being yours, I think this infers the corresponding GlosBMD birth actually occurred in late 1885.

As you probably know there are more than one William Henry Hawkins births around that time to cloud the hunt
eg the nearest from FoD PRs, right area but wrong parents

Record ID 105824
Entry Number 505
Year 1884
Month Oct
Day 5
Parents Surname HAWKINS
Child Forenames William Henry
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Sarah Ann
Mothers Surname
Residence Yorkley Slade
Occupation Haulier
Officiating Minister E S Smith
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P348 IN 1/1
Page Number 64
Parish Chapel Viney Hill

Hope this helps..

all the feelings of a non-conformist family.....

HAWKINS Charles
SELBY Ellen
Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office
1882 14 52

HAWKINS William Henry
HAWKINS SELBY
1885 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 43 331

Name: William Henry Hawkins
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1886
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

1901
Charles Hawkins abt 1857 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Ellen Hawkins abt 1857 Ellwood, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire
William Hawkins abt 1886 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Milsom Hawkins abt 1896 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Kate Hawkins abt 1888 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Florence Hawkins abt 1889 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Beatrice Hawkins abt 1892 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Hilda Hawkins abt 1899 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Charles Hawkins abt 1894 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire

1911 46 Newerne Street Lydney Glos
Charles Hawkins 54 Coleford
Ellen Hawkins 54 Coleford
William Hawkins 25 Coleford Tinplate worker
Katherine Hawkins 23 Coleford
Beatrice Hawkins 19 Coleford
Charles Hawkins 17 Coleford
Milsom Hawkins 15 Coleford
Hilda Hawkins 12 Lydney

William Henry Hawkins b1885, (reply)

Jefff — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:37:47 +0000

Hi Sheila,
trying to get the picture, could this be your William ? I can't find his birth in the above thread so don't know what you already have ?

From GlosBMD: Birth Details

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HAWKINS William Henry HAWKINS HAWKINS SELBY 1885 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 43 331
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

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FreeBMD isn't so helpfull, giving these two possibles,

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Hawkins William Henry Monmouth 11a 23

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Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
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HAWKINS William Henry Monmouth 11a 21

I favour the Jan-March 1886 Registration being yours, I think this infers the corresponding GlosBMD birth actually occurred in late 1885.

As you probably know there are more than one William Henry Hawkins births around that time to cloud the hunt
eg the nearest from FoD PRs, right area but wrong parents

Record ID 105824
Entry Number 505
Year 1884
Month Oct
Day 5
Parents Surname HAWKINS
Child Forenames William Henry
Fathers Forenames James
Mothers Forenames Sarah Ann
Mothers Surname
Residence Yorkley Slade
Occupation Haulier
Officiating Minister E S Smith
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P348 IN 1/1
Page Number 64
Parish Chapel Viney Hill

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I presume this is the Marriage you found ?.
Being as its a Registry Office wedding I wonder if it's his second, so maybe the age isn't unusual ?

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HAWKINS William Henry BALDWIN Alice Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1936 34 6

From FreeBMD this seems only possiblility for his first Marriage I think ?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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HAWKINS William Henry Bedwellty 11a 119
Hendy Kate Bedwelty 11a 119
Phillips Elizabeth Bedwellty 11a 119
Tipple Walter James Bedwelty 11a 119

But which was William's wife ?
Searching for Births to Hawkins/Hendy I cannot find any in Monmouthshire area, but repeating for Hawkins/Phillips gives the following possibilities:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
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Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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HAWKINS Doris M Phillips Monmouth 11a 50

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Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Hawkins George P Phillips Monmouth 11a 49

So, could his first wife have been Elizabeth Phillips ?.

This death perhaps fits the second marriage theory, the dates and ages tie in, but the second name "L" ?

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
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Deaths Dec 1919
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HAWKINS Elizabeth L 34 Monmouth 11a 17 patrick123

Altho maybe they just separated, there are later deaths for Elizabeth Hawkins' in the Monmouthshire area that also fit age-wise ?.

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Re the above possible Births, a little more from GlosBMD:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HAWKINS Doris May HAWKINS HAWKINS PHILLIPS 1914 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford (Sub-district 4) 4 457

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HART William James HAWKINS Doris May Forest of Dean Viney Hill All Saints 1936 2 60

HOWEVER, from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 106587
Entry_Number: 469
Year: 1913
Month: Nov
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: HAWKINS
Child_Forenames: Doris May
Fathers_Forenames: William Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Kate
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Purlieu Farm
Occupation: Haulier
Officiating_Minister: J Kyrle Chatfield Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Oct 9 1913
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 59
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H252

"KATE" ??? not Elizabeth ?

And:

Record_ID: 103429
Entry_Number: 60
Year: 1936
Month: Dec
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: HART
Grooms_Forenames: William James
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Soldier
Grooms_Residence: Danby Lodge Yorkley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: HART
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tax Collector
Brides_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Forenames: Doris May
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Danby Lodge Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Crown Worker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: William Francis James Hawkins
Witness_2: Albert Stanley Hawkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles R Williams Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Groom's father is deceased
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

Does this fit your family, the witnesses could be very helpful names

???

Hope this helps..

Selby/Hawkins family

selbyfamily — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:32:33 +0000

Ellen Selby married Charles Hawkins in 1882. I am trying to update this family and have come unstuck with a couple of the children.

If David Adams sees this, could he contact me via e-mail regarding his line of the family (he seems to have changed his e-mail address since we last had contact).

I am also having trouble with Ellen's first child, William Henry Hawkins b 1886 - can't find a suitable death for him and the only marriage I can find would make him about 50 at the time. If there are any members of the Hawkins family out there who can help, perhaps they could contact me via e-mail or on this forum.
Thanks, Sheila Selby