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<title>George Jones Whitecroft about 1824 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your help and the research you have carried out. Will try and look for information on the churches you suggested when I go to the archives in Gloucester. It would have been a lot easier if I found a marriage but somehow don't think they married<br />
Many thanks<br />
Angela</p>
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<title>Whitecroft - Parkend (reply)</title>
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2. What, if any, are your thoughts re which Church or Chapel George b1824 might have been Baptised at ?. I suspect you already know what the choice was in the area at that time, whereas I'd have to research the local history (not my patch at all) and then still only make a lessthaneducated guess.</p>
<p>I'm thinking about Angela's visit to the area this weekend.</p>
<p><br />
Thanks in hopeful anticipation, Jeff.<br />
(Still impressed you found John etc !)</p>
</blockquote><p><br />
Parkend is where I would look for a CoE Baptism, followed by Lydney and Bream</p>
<p>If the family is non conformist then one of the Methodist transcriptions ( or similar)  such as Coleford or Monmouth Wesleyan</p>
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<title>GEORGE JONES born about 1824 in Whitecroft (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again<br />
Your info on the 1851 census seems very interesting as Clearwell is close to Whitecroft. I will research this area and try and trace them through the census. One of his daughters was called Jane could just be coincidence. I am only new to this game and I am learning as I go on. Thanks to you all<br />
Angela</p>
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<title>George Jones b1824 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul,<br />
yes I realise it does look rather compelling evidence that this is the correct family, but as yet no certainty that George is a brother. I'm asking as I, like you gents, would very much like to be able to confirm to Angela that she'll definitely be on the right trail when she visits; I even dreamt about this search after finishing my searches last night !. </p>
<p>Atb Jeff.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul,<br />
 The Forums help is greatly appreciated. I have been planning the trip to FOD for a while in the hope I could get some info from the archives but the forum is brilliant wish I had found it earlier. I will print out all information and see what I should do next. <br />
Many thanks<br />
Angela</p>
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<title>George Jones b1824 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother?</p>
<p>The 1871 England Census return for Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire reads:</p>
<p><br />
Victoria Street No. 48<br />
Allerton Bywater<br />
John Jones - Head - Mar - 43 - Coal Miner - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean<br />
Harriet Jones - Wife - Mar - 27 - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean<br />
Elizabeth E Jones - Daughter - 9 - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean<br />
Fanny Jones - Daur - 7 - Staffordshire, Hill Top<br />
William Jones - Son - 5 - Yorkshire, Newton in the Willows<br />
Anne Jones - Daur - 2 - Yorkshire, Newton in the Willows<br />
George Jones - Visitor - 48 - Coal Miner - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean</p>
<p>Unfortunately the return does not give the relationship between John Jones and George Jones, instead listing him simply as a visitor.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul<br />
On the death certificate it does state daughter E Jones and yes you are right she would have only been 14years and not 24yrs my mistake<br />
Thanks<br />
Angela</p>
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<title>James &amp; Daniel JONES born Hewelsfield area c1826 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Slowhands &amp; Paul, thanks for confirming the 1841 Census, my cd scans weren't too clear. Please can you comment on the following, thanks.</p>
<p>1. As per my suggestion above, I realise it's a very difficult search but is there any point in trying to find eldest brothers James born Hewelsfield c1824 and Daniel born Hewelsfield c1828 in the 1841 Census, I can't help think they'll be together and I wonder if this will lead us to find George if indeed he is their brother ??</p>
<p>I've searched this site's Marriage PRs for both James and Daniel, father James, but no luck thus far; I wonder if they've moved away from the area and perhaps taken George too ?</p>
<p>I guess it's almost impossible given their names but one lives in hope ??</p>
<p>From this site's 1841 Census data, which I'm still struggling to piece into households, could these be them ?, if so where:</p>
<p>JONES Daniel 10 HEWELSFIELD 3 365/7 5   (so born abt 1831-??)<br />
JONES James 17 WOOLASTON COMMON 3A 369/6 22 </p>
<p>(However there's also this older James, I think(?) in the same household (wrt the numbers ?)<br />
JONES James 40 WOOLASTON COMMON 3A 369/6 22</p>
<p>Assuming that common folio numbers do indicate a household ?, then the rather more searcher-friendly youngest member or &quot;our&quot; James &amp; Mary Jones household is elsewehere:<br />
JONES Vencention (fem) 1 WOOLASTON 3A 369/6 6<br />
(This name appears similar to my 1841 Census image which was a very poor one).<br />
So it looks like the above mentioned James aged 17 is either a different family, or ours but maybe lodging with his employer ?.    Difficult !</p>
<p>2. What, if any, are your thoughts re which Church or Chapel George b1824 might have been Baptised at ?. I suspect you already know what the choice was in the area at that time, whereas I'd have to research the local history (not my patch at all) and then still only make a lessthaneducated guess.<br />
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I'm thinking about Angela's visit to the area this weekend.</p>
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Thanks in hopeful anticipation, Jeff.<br />
(Still impressed you found John etc !)</p>
<p>PS Re the unusual but refreshingly helpfull daughter's name above, from this site's PRs:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 74268 <br />
Entry_Number: 687 <br />
Year: 1839 <br />
Month: Dec <br />
Day: 1 <br />
Parents_Surname: JONES <br />
Child_Forenames: Vincentia <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Woolaston <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: C Bryan <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: daughter of <br />
Notes: In this record a forename was not clear so the best guess was given. Birth register shows Vincension <br />
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4 <br />
Page_Number: 86 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston <br />
Soundex: J520</p>
<p>I cannot find any later Marriage or Death for her on any website.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1881 George's daughter Emma is aged 4.  When George died in 1891 his daughter Emma would have been 14 and his daughter Eliza 7.</p>
<p>1891 England Census<br />
12 Edward St<br />
Westoe<br />
Durham<br />
District 25a<br />
RG12/4157; Folio:  102; Page:  48</p>
<p>Francis Jones - Head - Widow - 40 - Charwoman - Durham, Hylton<br />
Emma Jones - daur - 14 - Durham, South Shields<br />
Thomas Jones - son - 13 - Scholar - Durham, South Shields<br />
Jane Jones - daur - 9 - Scholar - Durham, South Shields<br />
Eliza Jones - daur - 7 - Scholar - Durham, South Shields<br />
George Jones - son - 3 - Durham, South Shields<br />
Isaac Jones - son - 4 mo - Durham, South Shields</p>
<p>The reason I asked if you knew the name of the informant was because I thought that Emma at 14 years would have been young to give the information to the registrar, and I wondered if there was another older child.  On reflection, considering Frances' situation with such a young family, I accept that Emma was probably the informant.</p>
<p>PS</p>
<p>Just read your last post to S where you mention the death of Isaac in 1891.  Confirms my comment above about Frances' young family.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello I also found the 1871 census of a George in Allerton Bywater and thought this could be him but then drew a blank as I had no way to back it up. It will take a while to digest and understand all of the information I have received and then decide what I have to do next. I also knew that Frances Jones remarried a Matthew Woodhouse on the 18th Sept 1898 she also lost a son the same year as her husband in 1891 he was under one year old. She must have had a tough life.Cannot thank you all enough for the information, will keep you up to date on how I get on</p>
<p>Many thanks</p>
<p> Angela</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to say maybe they didn't marry it states on the census married but I have tried all of the registry offices in this area and looked at microfilms of all marriages and drew a blank. He was a lot older than her maybe he had been married before it is quite possible.<br />
Regards Angela</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jeff<br />
Thanks for info. will take a while to digest all information. What a fantastic site. I have no idea where the Thompson comes from in their childs name as Frances Tomblings mother was called Emma Duckworth and her father John they were born in Ripon. Could not trace her fathers parents he was also called John Tombling and he was born in Wiffin Norfolk. So the Thompson name is baffling.<br />
I also came across the 1871 census and thought this could be him and maybe a brother<br />
living in Allerton Bywater Yorkshire but got no further the ages matched but as you say George Jones is such a common name in the FOD. Will let you know how I get on , cannot thank you enough.</p>
<p>M&lt;any thanks<br />
Angela</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Paul<br />
 Many thanks for information what a fantastic site, just came upon it by chance, trying to digest all of the information received</p>
<p>On the death certificate it states E Jones it could be Emma Jones  she would have been about 24 or it could also have been Eliza aged about 17. He died at home 12 Edward St<br />
Westoe South Shields<br />
Manny thanks Angela</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I must try and work quicker!</p>
<p>&quot;<em>I wonder if he has a brother John born around 1828/1834&quot;</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p>Brother John?</p>
<p>Record_ID: 74166 <br />
Entry_Number: 585 <br />
Year: 1836 <br />
Month: Jun <br />
Day: 12 <br />
Parents_Surname: JONES <br />
Child_Forenames: John <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: [not stated] <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: Thos Vores Curate <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: son of <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4 <br />
Page_Number: 74 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston </p>
<p><br />
and</p>
<p>Record_ID: 14695 <br />
Entry_Number: 484 <br />
Year: 1861 <br />
Month: Sep <br />
Day: 1 <br />
Grooms_Surname: JONES <br />
Grooms_Forenames: John <br />
Grooms_Age: 24 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Collier <br />
Grooms_Residence: Pillowell <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Brides_Surname: KNIGHT <br />
Brides_Forenames: Harriet <br />
Brides_Age: 18 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Knight <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: both mark <br />
Witness_1: Mark of Henry Jones <br />
Witness_2: Henry Gunter <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda: Incumbent <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20 <br />
Page_Number: 242 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Parkend</p>
</blockquote><p>No George yet (!)</p>
<p>1841 Woolaston<br />
James Jones 40<br />
Mary Jones 30<br />
Sarah Jones 9<br />
Fanny Jones 7<br />
John Jones5<br />
William Jones 4<br />
Henry Jones2<br />
Ben Cention1</p>
<p><br />
1861<br />
John Jones abt 1837 Wollastone, Gloucestershire, EnglandLodgerBarton St Michael, Gloucestershire<br />
Margaret Jones abt 1839 Wollastone, Gloucestershire, EnglandWifeBarton St Michael, Gloucestershire<br />
Angelina Jones abt 1861Gloucestershire, EnglandDaughterBarton St Michael, Gloucestershire</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow !, thanks gents, great work, very cunning indeed.</p>
<p>First, for Angela's benefit, the 1881 Census transcript posted by supersleuth Slowhands quoting &quot;Wolverston Glos&quot; as place of birth for John should read Woolaston, on the Severn very near Lydney &amp; Whitecroft (I don't know any Wolverston in our County at all).</p>
<p>Secondly, I've tried searching out John in my 1851 Census cd and think this is him, a close match for Paul's suggestion born 1836. (I cannot see any households with a George in too). As well as being clearly the best match wrt parents, witness &amp; locality out of several &quot;possibles&quot; in the Census, it also nicely echos the 1881 mention of Woolaston. </p>
<p>2443  1851 CENSUS HO107/2443 FF.0482-0494 ED.1A LYDNEY 3                                                                             <br />
Piece: 2443      Folio: 0491     Schedule: 058<br />
Address: Woollastone            </p>
<p>JONES James       HD M  53   Ag Lab   GLS Hewelsfield                  (c1798)<br />
JONES Mary       WI M  46   -         GLS Thornbury                    (c1805)<br />
JONES James     SO U  27   Ag Lab     GLS Hewelsfield                  (c1824)<br />
JONES Daniel    SO U  23   Ag Lab     GLS Hewelsfield                  (c1828)<br />
JONES Sarah    DA U  21   -           GLS Hewelsfield                  (c1830)<br />
JONES Frances       DA U  19   -      GLS Hewelsfield                  (c1832)<br />
JONES John      SO U  17   Ag Lab     GLS Hewelsfield                  (c1834)<br />
JONES William    SO -  15   Ag Lab    GLS Woollastone [Woolaston]      (c1836)<br />
JONES Henery       SO -  13   -       GLS Woollastone [Woolaston]      (c1838)<br />
JONES Vensennon  DA -  11   -         GLS Woollastone [Woolaston]      (c1840)<br />
JONES Emma     DA -   7   -           GLS Woollastone [Woolaston]      (c1844)<br />
JONES Harriet    DA -   3   -         GLS Woollastone [Woolaston]      (c1848)</p>
<p>A shame they're not miners but this is before the mining boon really took off. Given the size of the family perhaps no surprise if one of the eldest brothers might have flown the nest ? </p>
<p>I've also found the above household on my 1841 Census cd, not the best quality scan but it's clear that the oldest child present is Sarah, sadly no George or even James &amp; Daniel in this instance, perhaps they are all together elsewhere ?.<br />
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Many and more of the above Baptisms can be found on this FoD site's PRs, the earliest are at Hewelsfield Chapel with the family resident in the Hart Hill &amp; Brockweir Common areas.<br />
<a href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Hewelsfield/Gaz1868.html">http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Hewelsfield/Gaz1868.html</a></p>
<p>Searching the Jones marriages for grooms Jones, father James, hoping to find a witness George but no luck. However Henry b1838 is living in WHITECROFT when he marries:</p>
<p>Record ID 14669 <br />
Entry Number 458 <br />
Year 1860 <br />
Month Apr <br />
Day 28 <br />
Grooms Surname JONES <br />
Grooms Forenames Henry <br />
Grooms Age 22 <br />
Groom Condition Bachelor <br />
Grooms Occupation Collier <br />
<strong>Grooms Residence Whitecroft </strong><br />
Grooms Fathers Surname Jones <br />
Grooms Fathers Forenames James <br />
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer <br />
Brides Surname BLANCH <br />
Brides Forenames Amelia <br />
Brides Age 22 <br />
Brides Condition Spinster <br />
Brides Occupation [not stated] <br />
Brides Residence Whitecroft <br />
Brides Fathers Surname Blanch <br />
Brides Fathers Forenames Stephen <br />
Brides Fathers Occupation Cordwainer <br />
Licence or Banns Banns <br />
Date of Banns  <br />
Signature or Mark both mark <br />
Witness 1 James Wintle Blanch <br />
Witness 2 Esther James <br />
Other Witnesses  <br />
Officiating Minister [illegible] Ebsworth <br />
Event Marriage <br />
Memoranda Incumbent <br />
Notes  <br />
Register Reference P145 IN 1/20 <br />
Page Number 229 <br />
Parish Chapel Parkend</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<p>Record ID 28142 <br />
Entry Number 137 <br />
Year 1851 <br />
Month Apr <br />
Day 13 <br />
Grooms Surname JONES <br />
Grooms Forenames William <br />
Grooms Age Full <br />
Groom Condition Bachelor <br />
Grooms Occupation Fireman <br />
<strong>Grooms Residence Hewelsfield </strong><br />
Grooms Fathers Surname Jones <br />
Grooms Fathers Forenames James <br />
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer <br />
Brides Surname WYATT <br />
Brides Forenames Amelia <br />
Brides Age Full <br />
Brides Condition Spinster <br />
Brides Occupation [not stated] <br />
Brides Residence Hewelsfield <br />
Brides Fathers Surname Wyatt <br />
Brides Fathers Forenames Charles <br />
Brides Fathers Occupation Labourer <br />
Licence or Banns Banns <br />
Date of Banns [not stated] <br />
Signature or Mark He marks she signs <br />
Witness 1 Mark of William Bird <br />
<strong>Witness 2 Mark of Mary A. Jones </strong><br />
Other Witnesses  <br />
Officiating Minister Ferdinand W. Becker. <br />
Event Marriage <br />
Memoranda  <br />
Notes  <br />
Register Reference P175 IN 1/7 <br />
Page Number 69 <br />
Parish Chapel Hewelsfield</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&quot;I have a copy of his death certificate and he died on the 27th March 1891 it states his age as 67yrs the informant was his daughter&quot;</em></p>
<p>Are you able to share the name of his daughter?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must try and work quicker!</p>
<p>&quot;<em>I wonder if he has a brother John born around 1828/1834&quot;</em></p>
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<p>Brother John?</p>
<p>Record_ID: 74166 <br />
Entry_Number: 585 <br />
Year: 1836 <br />
Month: Jun <br />
Day: 12 <br />
Parents_Surname: JONES <br />
Child_Forenames: John <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: [not stated] <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: Thos Vores Curate <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: son of <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4 <br />
Page_Number: 74 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston </p>
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and</p>
<p>Record_ID: 14695 <br />
Entry_Number: 484 <br />
Year: 1861 <br />
Month: Sep <br />
Day: 1 <br />
Grooms_Surname: JONES <br />
Grooms_Forenames: John <br />
Grooms_Age: 24 <br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Collier <br />
Grooms_Residence: Pillowell <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Brides_Surname: KNIGHT <br />
Brides_Forenames: Harriet <br />
Brides_Age: 18 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated] <br />
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Knight <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: both mark <br />
Witness_1: Mark of Henry Jones <br />
Witness_2: Henry Gunter <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda: Incumbent <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20 <br />
Page_Number: 242 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Parkend</p>
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<title>George JONES born about 1824 in Whitecroft (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if he has a brother John born around 1828/1834</p>
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1871 Allerton Bywater Yorkshire<br />
John Jones 43 FoD<br />
Harriet Jones 27 FoD<br />
Elizabeth E Jones 9 FoD<br />
Fanny Jones 7 Staffordshire<br />
William Jones 5<br />
Anne Jones 2<br />
George Jones 48 FoD</p>
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1881<br />
John Jones abt 1841 Wolverston, Gloucestershire, England Head Kimberworth, Yorkshire<br />
Harriet Jones abt 1843 Yorkshireby, Gloucestershire, England Wife<br />
William Jones abt 1867 Methley, Yorkshire, England Son<br />
Annie Jones abt 1869 Newton Williams, Yorkshire, England Daughter<br />
Elizabeth Jones abt 1872 Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire, England Daughter<br />
Sarah Jones abt 1876 Masbro, Yorkshire, England Daughter<br />
Mary Harriett Jones abt 1880 Masbro, Yorkshire, England Daughter</p>
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1891 Kimberworth Rotherham<br />
John Jones57 FoD<br />
Harriet Jones47 Yorkley FoD<br />
Elizabeth Jones20<br />
Sarah Jones15<br />
Harriett Jones11<br />
John Henry Jones9<br />
Nellie Jones7<br />
Ernest Jones4</p>
<p>1901 Kimberworth Rotherham<br />
Harriet Jones58<br />
John H Jones19<br />
Nellie Jones17<br />
Ernest Jones14</p>
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&lt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;</p>
<p>Name:Matthew Woodhouse &amp; Frances Jones<br />
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1898<br />
Registration District:South Shields<br />
Inferred County:Durham<br />
Volume Number:10a<br />
Page Number:1183</p>
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1901<br />
Matthew Woodhouse abt 1855 South Shields, Durham, England Head South Shields, Durham<br />
Francis Woodhouse abt 1856 Seaham Harbour, Durham, England Wife South Shields, Durham<br />
Thomas Jones abt 1878 South Shields, Durham, England Stepson South Shields, Durham<br />
Jane Jones abt 1880 South Shields, Durham, England Stepdaughter South Shields, Durham<br />
John G Jones abt 1888 South Shields, Durham, England Stepson South Shields, Durham</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Angela and a warm welcome to the forum.</p>
<p>I'm a Jones from Dean, and last year I researched miners in Seaham, but sadly thats where my &quot;speciallist&quot; knowledge ends on this query. However hopefully we'll be able to help you.</p>
<p>To recap, heres the 1881 Census in full, from LDS</p>
<p>&quot;England and Wales Census, 1881&quot;<br />
Name: George Jones  <br />
Age (Original): 60  <br />
Gender: Male  <br />
Birth Year: 1821  <br />
Birthplace: Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Head  <br />
Marital Status: Married  <br />
Occupation: Coal Trimmer  <br />
Address: 49 Princess Street  <br />
Event Place: Westoe, Durham, England  <br />
Disability:  <br />
Record Type: Household  <br />
GS Film number: 1342207  <br />
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11  <br />
Piece/Folio: 5014 / 84  <br />
Page Number: 55  <br />
  Household Gender Age Birthplace <br />
Head  George Jones  M 60 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England  <br />
Wife  Frances Jones  F 27 Seaham Harbour, Durham, England  <br />
Daughter  Emma Jones  F 4 South Shields, Durham, England  <br />
Son  Thomas Jones  M 3 South Shields, Durham, England  <br />
Daughter  Jane Thompson Jones  F 0 South Shields, Durham, England</p>
<p>Sadly for us both, and as I'm sure you know, Jones is statistically the most common surname in the Forest, and George isn't rare either !. At least the Whitecroft record is a good start, more precise than many.<br />
Unfortunately I don't have full access to the Censuses, but looking at this site and also LDS for the 1861 Census these are my initial favourites assuming George is still in the area</p>
<p>&quot;England and Wales Census, 1861&quot;<br />
Name: George Jones  <br />
Event Type: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1861  <br />
Gender: Male  <br />
Age: 37  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Head  <br />
Birthplace: Lydney, Gloucestershire  <br />
Schedule Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Chepstow  <br />
Sub-District: 3 Lydney  <br />
Ecclesiastical Parish:  <br />
Parish: Lydney  <br />
Residence County: Monmouthshire  </p>
<p>Name: George Jones  <br />
Event Type: Census  <br />
Event Date: 1861  <br />
Gender: Male  <br />
Age: 37  <br />
Relationship to Head of Household: Head  <br />
Birthplace: St Briavels Gloucester  <br />
Schedule Type: Household  <br />
Registration District: Chepstow  <br />
Sub-District: 3 Lydney  <br />
Ecclesiastical Parish: Gloucester  <br />
Parish: Woolaston  <br />
Residence County: Monmouthshire  </p>
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HOWEVER there are quite a few possibles, but these two seem mostlikely given age &amp; location, both near Whitecroft.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitecroft">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitecroft</a></p>
<p>But see all these too !<br />
<a href="https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Ageorge~%20%2Bsurname%3Ajones~%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3Afrances~&amp;collection_id=1493747&amp;birth_place2=8,England,Gloucestershire&amp;birth_year1=1800~1820&amp;offset=20">https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Age...</a></p>
<p>Searching this FoD site's PRs gives 16 George Jones baptised 1821-1825, I prefer these:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 36932 <br />
Entry_Number: 567 <br />
Year: 1824 <br />
Month: Apr <br />
Day: 11 <br />
Parents_Surname: JONES <br />
Child_Forenames: George <br />
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Lidney <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Son of <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3 <br />
Page_Number: 71 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Lydney <br />
Soundex: J520 </p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>Record_ID: 59273 <br />
Entry_Number: 283 <br />
Year: 1824 <br />
Month: Mar <br />
Day: 14 <br />
Parents_Surname: JONES <br />
Child_Forenames: George <br />
Fathers_Forenames: William <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Mary <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Lower Meend <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: James Dighton Curate <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/5 <br />
Page_Number: 36 <br />
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels <br />
Soundex: J520 </p>
<p><br />
As Whitecroft's Chapel didnt exist before 1824, it seems likely George would have been Baptised at nearby Bream, Parkend or Lydney. (Of course thats if he was baptised soon after birth, if at all.) <br />
If you &quot;locate&quot; Bream on this map, zoom out to see Whitecroft just to it's northeast, the map shows the various chapels in the area. Then as now Lydney was a bigger, older town, being a port on the Severn.<br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/maps/parishmap.php">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/maps/parishmap.php</a></p>
<p>This website has reminiscinces &amp; photos of Whitecroft including the Chapel.<br />
<a href="http://www.coghlan.co.uk/whitecroft.html">http://www.coghlan.co.uk/whitecroft.html</a></p>
<p>The Chapel was the first Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in the Forest, in 1824,<br />
<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23273">http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23273</a></p>
<p>Also see <br />
<a href="http://www.westdeanpc.org.uk/whitecroft/">http://www.westdeanpc.org.uk/whitecroft/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Stories_Articles/Sixty_Years_Behind_the_Counter.pdf">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Stories_Articles/Sixty_Years_Behind_the_Counter...</a></p>
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<p>Angela, I too havn't been able to find the Marriage Record between George and Frances. However I'm intrigued by the name of their youngest (?) child,  Jane Thompson Jones.  Could the Thompson be a surname clue perhaps to Frances' family ?.  I ask as to properly trace George's birth then we need to track him thro the Censuses as best we can, so all clues can help.</p>
<p>Again using FamilySearch, searching the 1841 Census for George gives several possibilities !!.<br />
<a href="https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Ageorge%7E%20%2Bsurname%3Ajones%7E&amp;collection_id=1493745&amp;birth_year1=1800%7E1820&amp;birth_place2=8%2CEngland%2CGloucestershire">https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Age...</a></p>
<p>???</p>
<p>UPDATE:<br />
Foolishly I forgot I had the 1851 census on cd.<br />
Checking that gives, again, a few &quot;possibles&quot; including in Newland which is not too far from Whitecroft and by far the oldest Church in the area, bearing in mind 1824 or so (I wish we were certain) was early days in terms of Dean chapels &amp; church building. However PURELY based on location how's this household seem to you ?.</p>
<p>Clearwell is very near Whitecroft, then again they could easily have travelled all over the Dean in George's lifetime before 1851.</p>
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2444  1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0026-0041 ED.2A COLEFORD 1                                                                           <br />
Piece: 2444      Folio: 0030     Schedule: 005</p>
<p>Address: Clearwell              </p>
<p>JONES Jane      HD W  60   Ag. Lab. Widdow GLS Newland                      (c1791)<br />
JONES George     SO U  30   Ag. Lab.       GLS Newland                      (c1821)<br />
JONES Mary      GD -   6   -              GLS Newland                      (c1845)</p>
<p>????</p>
<p>The correct way to narrow down all these possibilities is to trace them all thro the various Censuses etc, but this is beyond my ability I'm afraid.</p>
<p>Hope this helps if only a little,<br />
wishing you a pleasant trip to the Dean next week,<br />
Jeff</p>
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