Forest of Dean FHT Forum - just could your man..

just could your man.. (reply)

Janice — Thu, 31 May 2007 23:54:10 +0000

Thanks everyone for all your help.
Janice.

just could be your man..Morris Henry Thomas(?) SMITH (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 31 May 2007 20:31:42 +0000

Saunders Green>>>>>

Name: Morris Henry T Smith
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 22

1901 64 New Town
Harry Smith abt 1875 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Abertillery Monmouthshire
Clara Smith abt 1875 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Abertillery Monmouthshire
Hilda Smith abt 1898 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abertillery Monmouthshire
Maurice Smith abt 1900 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Abertillery Monmouthshire

Getting Birth Certificate (reply)

admin — Thu, 31 May 2007 16:54:43 +0000

These two previous postings will help you.

Link to the entry: http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=5964#p5965

Link to the entry: http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=1016#p1018

Getting Birth Certificate (reply)

Janice — Thu, 31 May 2007 12:08:56 +0000

Hi
Can you help,I have found in Parish Records looks like one of Oliver and Clara's children Maurice Henry Smith Thomas born Dec 4th 1899 Place of residence Sanders Green.how do I find Ref for getting Birth Certificate,Ive looked on find my past and bmd can't find it.This looks like a bit of a break,that this was Olivers name.
Regards
Janice.

THOMAS bapism boxing day 1873 Bream (reply)

Janice — Thu, 24 May 2007 02:03:02 +0000

Some sorting out!!!Just thinking are all my Thomas's really little Birt's,makes me smile for the day.Odd though Oliver married Clara Howells!!

Janice.

THOMAS baptism boxing day 1873 Bream (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:51:46 +0000

it needs further investigation , but the further (Louisa) HOWELLS connection is tempting !

THOMAS bapism boxing day 1873 Bream (reply)

Janice — Thu, 24 May 2007 01:34:50 +0000

Hi slowhands,

A big thank you,what mixed up family!! I just didn't know where to start,I had some info,but was lost so to speak.

Thank you again
Janice.

THOMAS baptism boxing day 1873 Bream (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 24 May 2007 00:33:38 +0000

This transcription looks promising

Year 1873
Month Dec
Day 26
Parents Surname THOMAS
Child Forename(s) Edwin Oliver
Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Mother's Forename(s) Louisa
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence Breams Eaves
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister J F Gosling
Event type Baptism
Memoranda [1] St Stephens[at date] [2] Sponsers Charles Masters Sarah Ann Whiting
Notes
Register Reference P57 IN 1/4
Page No 14
Parish/Chapel Bream

Name: Edwin Oliver Thomas
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 28

1841 Redbrook
Richard Howells abt 1821 Newland Gloucestershire Tin worker
Ester Howells abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Margaret Howells abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire

1851
Richards Howells abt 1820 Pantapool, Monmouthshire, Wales Head English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Esther Howells abt 1824 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife English Bicknor Gloucestershire
George Howells abt 1850 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Helen Howells abt 1842 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Henry Howells abt 1828 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
John Howells abt 1846 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Louisa Howells abt 1841 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor Gloucestershire

Name: Louisa Howell
Name: William Thomas
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 49

1861 William Thomas abt 1837 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Louisa Thomas abt 1840 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizth Helen Thomas abt 1858 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Thomas abt 1860 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1861 St Pauls Cottage Parkend
James Thomas abt 1829 Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Thomas abt 1833 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
William Thomas abt 1856 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

now looks like a change of husband for Louisa

1871 Bream Eaves
James Thomas abt 1829 Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Lousia Thomas abt 1836 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred C Thomas abt 1867 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Margariet L Thomas abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
William Thomas abt 1856 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1881
James Thomas abt 1831 Kidwelly Head Penalt Monmouthshire
Louisa Thomas abt 1836 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Penalt Monmouthshire
Alfred Charles Thomas abt 1867 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Penalt Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Jane Thomas abt 1873 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Penalt Monmouthshire
James Edwin Thomas abt 1880 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Penalt Monmouthshire
Margaret Louisa Thomas abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Penalt Monmouthshire

Oliver Henry THOMAS -1874 Bream (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:49:25 +0000

Looks like George and Esther SMITH are a childless couple living in Saunders Green who take in and adopt Oliver Henry / Henry Oliver.

Looks like Thomas BIRT is the father , before he marries Elizabeth Gassman.
Saunders Green linked to Thomas BIRT.

So who was the mother - a THOMAS ?

where did the Oliver come from ?

Thomas BIRT -1850 Saunders Green pt 2 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 May 2007 23:21:15 +0000

1841 Bream Eaves
Isaac Birt abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Rid James Birt [Richard Jones] abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Harriott Birt abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
James Birt abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Maryann Birt abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Johana Birt abt 1771 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thomas Birt abt 1771 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1841 WhiteCroft
Sarah Birt abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Catharine Birt abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Johannah Birt abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Lydia Birt abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thomas Birt abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Thomas BIRT -1850 Saunders Green (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 23 May 2007 22:42:07 +0000

Name: Thomas Birt
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 78

1851 Saunders Green
Harriet Bert abt 1830 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah A Bert abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Bert abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

next door

Sarah Burt abt 1792 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Catherine Burt abt 1830 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
William Beach abt 1815 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Beach abt 1821 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean Gloucestershire
Esther Beach abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean Gloucestershire
William Beach abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean

1861
Thomas Birt abt 1822 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Birt abt 1829 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza Birt abt 1858 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Birt abt 1854 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Herbert Birt abt 1860 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Birt abt 1848 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Thomas Birt abt 1850 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
William Howell abt 1797 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Newland Gloucestershire

1871

Thomas Birt abt 1823 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Birt abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Agusta M Birt abt 1868 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza J Birt abt 1858 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Henry Birt abt 1863 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Herbert Birt abt 1860 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Mary E Birt abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Sydney Birt abt 1868 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
Thos Birt abt 1849 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland Gloucestershire
William C Birt abt 1865 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland

1881
Thomas Bert abt 1851 Dearfore St, Gloucestershire, England Kentchurch Herefordshire

Name Elizabeth Gassman
Name: Thomas Birt
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 82

1891
Thomas Birt abt 1850 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Birt abt 1859 Germany Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Birt abt 1888 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Maria Birt abt 1890 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1901
Thomas Birt abt 1849 Saundus Green, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Birt abt 1859 Deu Bristish Subject, Naturaliaen Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Elizabeth V G Birt abt 1895 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Gladys Birt abt 1898 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Harriet D Birt abt 1892 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Henry R Birt abt 1888 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Maria C Birt abt 1890 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Thomas Birt abt 1900 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire

Oliver Henry THOMAS -1874 Bream (reply)

Janice — Mon, 21 May 2007 10:45:45 +0000

Hi,

Can you help,Oliver Henry Thomas on Marriage Cert 23yrs 1897,Fathers Name THOMAS BIRT.
1891 Census Living with George Smith,Esther Smith and Kate Webb Niece.as Oliver Thomas Adopted.aged 17yrs. On 1881 Census Bream Eaves George Smith Esther Smith and Harry.O.Thomas Boarder. aged 7 yrs.Esthers maiden name was Webb.But where can Thomas Birt come into this puzzle.Are Oliver Henry and Harry.O.the same person I am getting lost with this.I am trying to find the Thomas Family.

Janice.

Oliver Henry THOMAS -1874 Bream (reply)

Janice — Thu, 17 May 2007 00:31:43 +0000

Thank you,someone has sent me 1891 Living bream Lane West Dean,Thomas Birt 41b Bream Colliery Labourer.Elizabeth Birth (Birt?) 32b Germany.Henry Birt 3b Bream Maria Birt 1b Bream. Could this be his adopted parents??
Janice.

SMITHS & Oliver Henry THOMAS -1874 Bream (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 16 May 2007 07:53:26 +0000

looks like Adopted

1851 Berry Hill
Richard Smith abt 1794 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Susan Smith abt 1817 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Amos Smith abt 1828 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Benjiman Smithn abt 1835 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1826 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Elms Smith abt 1831 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1833 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Smith abt 1822 Perry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Saunders Green
George Smith abt 1833 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Rether Smith abt 1839 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Bream
George Smith abt 1835 N Head Newland Gloucestershire
Esther Smith abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Alfred Webb abt 1862 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Newland Gloucestershire
William Smith abt 1846 N Boarder Newland Gloucestershire

1881 Bream Eaves
George Smith abt 1833 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Esther Smith abt 1839 Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Harry O. Thomas abt 1874 Bream Eaves, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean Gloucestershire

1891
George Smith abt 1830 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Esther Smith abt 1839 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Kate M Webb abt 1883 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean

Oliver Thomas abt 1874 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Adopted West Dean Gloucestershire

1901 Bream Eaves
George Smith abt 1834 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Hester Smith abt 1838 Gorkley, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire

Oliver Henry THOMAS - Bream (reply)

Janice — Wed, 16 May 2007 05:43:37 +0000

Hi Bertha,

No wonder I can't find his Family.Why would he have a different name to his father?mothers name perhaps,thank you for reply I can now understand the certificate that I have got.

Janice

Oliver Henry THOMAS - Bream (reply)

bertha — Wed, 16 May 2007 05:24:02 +0000

This marriage record can be viewed in the Parish Records section of this website
record_id 15354
Entry Number 145
Year 1897
Month Jul
Day 3
Groom Surname THOMAS
Groom Forename(s) Oliver Henry
Groom Age at Marriage 24
Groom condition bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession collier
Groom Residence Bream
Groom Father's Surname BIRT
Groom Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Groom Father's Rank or Profession collier
Bride Surname HOWELLS
Bride Forename(s) Clara
Bride Age at Marriage 23
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Yorkley
Bride Father's Surname HOWELLS
Bride Father's Forename(s) Thomas
Bride Father's Rank or Profession woodman
Licence or Banns banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Richard Jones
Witness 2 Mary Howells
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister John Bond vicar
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P245 IN 1/22
Page No 73
Parish/Chapel Parkend
Soundex Groom T520
Soundex Bride H420

Oliver Henry THOMAS - Bream

Janice — Wed, 16 May 2007 05:09:20 +0000

Please can anyone help with Oliver Henry Thomas,I have his marriage certificate to Clara Thomas 3rd July 1897.he was 23yrs old and a collier his residence at the time looks like Bream,his fathers name also looks like Bert!!!Thomas sorry I can't read the writing very well.The church was St Pauls could be Parkend, or Garsand!!!I am looking for any information on Oliver please.

Janice