yes sorry beatrice nellie symonds was born 1886 in newport moved to cinderford as a child i found alfred g griffiths 1912 son to frank and nellie than iver j in 1913 also to frank and nellie these were in the forest bible christian curcuit sorry but that is all i have to go on as for her marring a second tine that came from one of the harpers that does not have a clue about dates
glyn