Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Tamar CHARLES nee PRITCHARD 1812 - 1888, Viney Hill

Tamar CHARLES nee PRITCHARD 1812 - 1888, Viney Hill (reply)

birdlady sharon — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:09:45 +0000

I am researching Tamar PRITCHARD CHARLES. Our line comes through her son, James. I have all of her children's birth records hoping to find a name other than Tamar. All the certificates say Tamar. I had someone go to the cemetery in Lydney to find the tombstone. He said the tombstones were crumbling and he was unable to find her grave. (the Lydney church records says she is buried there). My question is who is the couple who witnessed the marriage? I know James Charles had a sister, Anne, but I can find no record of her marriage to William Price or find them in the census.

John PRITCHARD 1815 Blakeney (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:12:51 +0000

I'm not "convinced" either - just put it forward as a possible based on the limited number of Pritchard families in the area at the time

John PRITCHARD 1815 Blakeney (reply)

vblease — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:01:57 +0000

I like your reasoning Slowhands, but I'm not convinced there is enough evidence to make that leap of faith that both John and Tamar were illegitimate & from the same mother - and why would one be Baptised and not the other?

However, I will keep your evidence (thanks for the work) and see what comes up later when I hunt again.

Regards
Val

John PRITCHARD 1815 Blakeney (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:49:43 +0000

It is possible that this is a sibling, and might be a clue to Tamar's lineage ( then again it may not be a sibling !)

Year 1815
Month May
Day 21
Parents Surname PRICHARD
Child Forenames John
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Sylvia
Mothers Surname
Residence Blakeney
Occupation
Officiating Minister John Bowen Sub Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda Base son single woman
Notes
Register Reference P50 IN1/1
Page Number 15
Parish Chapel Blakeney

mother Sylvia

Year: 1889
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Surname: JORDAN
Forenames: Sylvia
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: 93
Officiating_Minister: J.Nutt Adams Off[iciating] Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/13
Page_No: 54
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: J635

1881
Angeline Bindall abt 1833 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sylvia Jordan abt 1796 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Mother Lydney, Gloucestershire

1871 Lydney
Silvia Jordan 75 Yorkley
Angelina Bendell 38 Lydney

1861
William Jordan abt 1791 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sophia Jordan abt 1797 Newland Lodger Lydney, Gloucestershire

1851
William Jordan abt 1791 Wichurch, Herefordshire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Silvie Jordan abt 1797 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Ann Jordan abt 1830 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Angeline Jordan abt 1833 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Morgan T Jordan abt 1840 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

1841
Record
William Gordan abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Silvia Gordan abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Jane Gordan abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Gordan abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Ann Gordan abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Angelina Gordan abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Morgan Gordan abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1820
Month: Jul
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: JORDAN
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: Lidney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: PRITCHARD
Brides_Forenames: Silvia
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Awre
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Charles Watkins [?]
Witness_2: Elizabeth Jordan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W.H. White Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Awre

Year: 1796
Month: Sep
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: PRITCHARD
Child_Forenames: Silvia
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Yorkley
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: illegit[imate]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 844
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Tamar CHARLES nee PRITCHARD 1812 - 1888, Viney Hill (reply)

vblease — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:15:54 +0000

Slowhands, you are a star. Thanks so much for the information about the different parish boundarys.

I have all the information on census, marriage and death. She doesn't appear to have been Baptised as all the wonderful work that people have done to transcribe the parish registers doesn't show Tamar at all, although there are Pritchards listed.

Looks like I've come to a blank with Tamar and her family unless anyone else has her in their tree.

Thanks again for the info.

Val

Tamar CHARLES nee PRITCHARD 1812 - 1888, Viney Hill (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:09:36 +0000

The "weight" of evidence suggests she was born 1811/12 in the Awre and Blakeney parish. Viney Hill parish was formed around 1865/6 however prior to that the settlement was "under" Awre and Blakeney Parish. So she may well have been born in the settlement that we now know as Viney Hill, when it was "administered" by clergy from Awre and Blakeney.

The church of ALL SAINTS, Viney Hill, begun in 1865 and consecrated in 1867, was built as a memorial to Charles Bathurst (d. 1863) of Lydney Park by his wife Mary and his brother and heir, the Revd. W. H. Bathurst. (fn. 25) In the mid 1830s the Viney Hill area was visited by the curate of Blakeney and the vicar of Awre. (fn. 26) Later Henry Poole organized missions from St. Paul's church, Parkend,

From: 'Forest of Dean: Churches', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 389-396. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23271 Date accessed: 05 January 2010.

Year: 1888
Month: Mar
Day: 7
Surname: CHARLES
Forenames: Tamar
Residence: Aylburton
Age_at_death: 75 ( inferred 1812/3)
Officiating_Minister: R.T.Deakins
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/13
Page_No: 43
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1881
Tamer Charles abt 1811 Aylburton, Gloucestershire, England Mother in Law Aylburton, Gloucestershire

1871
Samar Charles abt 1819 Viney Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife Aylburton, Gloucestershire

1861
Tammer Charles abt 1811 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Aylburton, Gloucestershire

1851
James Charles abt 1802 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Wife Aylburton, Gloucestershire

1841
James Charles abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1836
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: CHARLES
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PRITCHARD
Brides_Forenames: Tamar
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Price
Witness_2: Mark of Anne Price
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H.H.Morgan Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 70
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

May Gwendoline Pritchard married a Mr. Ross? (reply)

vblease — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:04:55 +0000

Hi
This is nothing directly to do with May Gwendoline Pritchard, but one of my relatives is Tamar Pritchard (abt 1811 - 1888). She married James Charles on the 10 March 1839 in Lydney.

I have no other information about Tamar Pritchard, so wondered if one of her brothers was related to your May Gwendoline. The birth year of Tamar is unclear as in the census's it ranges from 1802 to 1813. Her burial record has her born in 1813. Places of birth range from Awre, Blakeney, Viney Hill (which are all close to one another).

If you have any knowledge of her then I would be please to have it.

Thanks
Val

George ROSS 1877 - 1900 Coleford (reply)

rookancestrybest — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:18:46 +0000

Thanks for all this, what a thorough answer to my question. I am amazed at what you can find Slowhands. Again this is much appreciated.

George ROSS 1877 - 1900 Coleford (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:01:18 +0000

Year: 1900
Month: Feb
Day: 11
Surname: ROSS
Forenames: George
Residence: Insurance Agent
Age_at_death: 23
Officiating_Minister: A H Horlick
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div: Adult Gr. (3) H 6 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 79
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

1891
John Ross abt 1851 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Ross abt 1851 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary A Ross abt 1872 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
George Ross abt 1877 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Albert J Ross abt 1880 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Frederick Smith abt 1864 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Newland, Gloucestershire
James Ellis abt 1861 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Newland, Gloucestershire
John McGough abt 1853 Scotland Boarder Newland, Gloucestershire

1881
John Ross abt 1851 Sellack, Hereford, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah A. Ross abt 1851 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary A. Ross abt 1872 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Alice Ross abt 1876 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
George Ross abt 1877 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Albert J. Ross abt 1880 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

Sydney Martin ROSS 1894- 1980 Coleford (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:33:33 +0000

Name: Sidney Martin Ross
Birth Date: 20 Sep 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: 1980
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1861

1911 ?
ROSS MARTIN M 1895 16 Monmouth Monmouthshire
ROSS EDWIN GEORGE M 1896 15 Monmouth Monmouthshire
ROSS SARAH ANN F 1851 60 Monmouth Monmouthshire

1901
Fred Smith abt 1876 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire
Annie Smith abt 1872 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford, Gloucestershire
Lily E Ross abt 1873 Ellwood Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Sister-in-law Coleford, Gloucestershire Widow
Martin S Ross abt 1895 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Coleford, Gloucestershire

Year: 1900
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: ROSS
Child_Forenames: George Edward
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Edith Lily
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newland Parish Coleford Gloucester
Occupation: Confectioner
Officiating_Minister: Wm Smith
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Clement's End Green Chapel
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/6
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit

Name: Sydney Martin Ross
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 18

Parents marriage ?

Name: George Ross
Name: Lily Edith Blanch
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 73

? looks like George ROSS his father ?

1901
John Ross abt 1851 Sellack, Herefordshire, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Ross abt 1851 Newland; Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford, Gloucestershire
Edwin G Ross abt 1897 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Coleford, Gloucestershire
George Ross abt 1900 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Coleford, Gloucestershire

? looks like Lily ROSS nee BLANCH 1873?

1881
Thomas Blanch abt 1836 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Blanch abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ada Blanch abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lilly Blanch abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Blanch abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Blanch abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Blanch abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Blanch West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

May G ROSS nee PRITCHARD 1888- 1960 Coalway (reply)

slowhands — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:19:38 +0000

one half of the puzzle !

Name: May G Ross
Death Registration Month/Year: 1960
Age at death (estimated): 72
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 437

looks like part 2!

Name: Mary G Prichard
Spouse: Sydney M Ross
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 77

amd a possible child ...

Name: Ethel Z Ross
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pritchard
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1924
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 49

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Name: May Gwendoline Prichard
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 28

May Gwendoline Pritchard married a Mr. Ross?

rookancestrybest — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:06:20 +0000

I've done postings before about May Gwendoline Pritchard/Mary Gwendoline Pritchard/Gwen Pritchard (born 1888) daughter of Arthur William and Mary Teresa (nee Rook(e))Pritchard. However, an elderly relative has now told me that she is of the view that May Gwendoline Pritchard married a Mr. Ross and that this would probably have been in the 1920s or 1930s and that she probably continued to live in either Coleford or Swansea. I am limited as to how I can search this as it is relatively recent. Does anyone have any information to confirm this?