Forest of Dean FHT Forum - St Pauls Newport

St Pauls Newport (reply)

sparkey — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:05:55 +0000

St. Woolos is probably the parish, you're right, although on the document it looks more like "G Woolles." The best I can make out the other name on the document is "Forster Sohwin Curst" or something.

Thank you for the additional information, it's interesting to hear about where they were living. Thanks also for the information on Wanglers and Bakers.

Mary BAKER (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:29:46 +0000

struggling to find an East Dean candidate for Mary , here is the "best" fit so far

1841 Pontypool / Abersychan
Mary Baker abt 1804 Trevethan, Monmouthshire Widow
John Baker abt 1828 Trevethan, Monmouthshire

1851 Abersychan
Mary Baker abt 1808 Iron Acton, Gloucestershire, England Mother Trevethin, Monmouthshire Widow
John Baker abt 1830 Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England Head Trevethin, Monmouthshire

possible match ?
NAME: John Baker BAPTISED: 6 Jul 1828 at Thornbury

FATHER: Samuel MOTHER: Mary
OCCUPATION: Labourer ABODE: Milbury Heath

WANGLER family Newport (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:37:51 +0000

for your records - the witnesses

Name: Susanna Jones
Name: William Waugler
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 131

1851 Queen St, St Pauls Newport
Williams Wangler abt 1826 Newstead, Germany Head Newport, Monmouthshire Clock Maker
Susanna Wangler abt 1828 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newport, Monmouthshire
Edw W Wangler abt 1850 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire
Eliza Janes [Wangler] abt 1797 Bristol Lodger Newport, Monmouthshire

1861 ?
1871 Alma St
E William Wangler abt 1826 Bridge, Germany Head St Woollos, Monmouthshire Watch Maker
Susana Wangler abt 1829 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife St Woollos, Monmouthshire
Edmund Wangler abt 1851 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son St Woollos, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Wangler abt 1853 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter St Woollos, Monmouthshire
William Wangler abt 1859 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son St Woollos, Monmouthshire

Name: William Wangler
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 45
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 117

1881
Susannah Wangler abt 1828 Usk, Monmouth, Wales Head St Woollos, Monmouthshire
Wm. Joseph Wangler abt 1859 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Son St Woollos, Monmouthshire

re-marriage
Stephen Watkins or William Evans
Name: Susannah Wangler
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 289

possible death
Name: Susannah Watkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 57
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 127

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as an aside the Wangler name is still present in the Newport area amongst others as a chain of Opticians - descended from Edmund.

Name: Caroline Lewis
Name: Edward William Wangler
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 282

1881
Edmund Wangler abt 1851 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Head Newport, Monmouthshire
Caroline Wangler abt 1845 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Wife Newport, Monmouthshire
Alice Wangler abt 1875 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Beatrice F. Wangler abt 1877 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Melvin W. Wangler abt 1880 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire
Elleanor C. Wangler Newport, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire

1891
Edmund Wangler abt 1851 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newport, Monmouthshire
Caroline Wangler abt 1849 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newport, Monmouthshire
Alice Wangler abt 1875 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Beatrice Wangler abt 1877 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Melvin Wangler abt 1880 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire
Nellie Wangler abt 1881 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Walter Wangler abt 1884 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire

1901
Edward Wangler abt 1851 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newport, Monmouthshire
Caroline Wangler abt 1850 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newport, Monmouthshire
Melville Wangler abt 1880 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire
Eleanor Wangler abt 1881 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Walter Wangler abt 1884 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport,

Name: Melville Wilfred Wangler
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 441

Name: Melville L Wangler
Name: Dorothy Thomas
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration district: Newport Market
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 259

Full name: Frederick Lyndon Wangler
Born: 29th May 1931, Newport, Monmouthshire, England
Batting: Right-hand batsman
Bowling: Right-arm medium pace
Teams: Glamorgan Second XI (Second Eleven Championship: 1961-1962)

St Pauls Newport (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:19:47 +0000

the church stands today, and was right on Stephen's door step - today the premises of Greggs ( Bakers) 71, Commercial St, Newport, Gwent NP20 1LR :-

St Pauls Anglican church
Commercial St
Newport, NP20
00 44 1633 266 076

http://stpauls.thelabnewport.org/about/

http://www.newport.gov.uk/_dc/index.cfm?fuseaction=thingstosee.churches&contentid=c...

St Wooloos may be the parish on your certificate

a long shot for a Ben Smith (!)
1841 Abersychan
Benjamin Smith abt 1786 Trevethan, Monmouthshire

Stephen SMITH of East Dean, born c. 1812 (reply)

sparkey — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:43:15 +0000

I said I would post a transcription, so here it is. It seems to match up perfectly with the Stephen Smith I was after:

1854. Marriage solemnized at St. Paul's Church in the Parish of [illegible] in the County of Monmouth

No. 417
When Married. May 11th 1854
Name and Surname. Stephen Smith, Mary Baker
Age. 41, 46
Condition. Widower, Widow
Rank or Profession. Collier, -
Residence at the time of Marriage. 71 Commercial St, 71 Commercial St Newport
Father's Name and Surname. late Benjamin Smith, late Thomas Nicholls
Rank or Profession of Father. Laborer, Farmer

Married in the Church of St. Paul according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church, after [illegible] by me, [illegible]

This marriage was solemnized between us, Stephen Smith [his mark], Mary Baker [her mark] in the Presence of us, William Wangler(?), Susanna Wangler(?)

So, now I'm looking for a laborer named Benjamin Smith who was born sometime in the second half of the 1700's, died before 1854, and lived in East Dean circa 1812. Does that description sound familiar to anyone?

Stephen SMITH of East Dean, born c. 1812 (reply)

sparkey — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:09:24 +0000

Thanks for the help. Looking through possible marriages on FreeBMD I tend to agree that the marriage between Stephen Smith and Mary (Baker? Walter?) in Newport looks like the most promising, especially considering that there aren't any in the Pontypool district or the Forest of Dean area between a Stephen Smith and a Mary during that time. As you noted, Jane Smith, daughter of Stephen Smith and his first wife, was born in Newport. Unless something else comes up soon, I'll order that marriage certificate within the next week or two from the GRO and post a transcription here.

As for any connection to other Smiths in the area: it's probably too hard to tell by the last name alone whether or not there is a connection, but maybe we'll figure one out soon.

SMITH; Ruffett / Ruffit Littledean (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:16:04 +0000

Ruffett Littledean R.S.D

I suspect this is Ruffit, Littledean RFD ( Royal Forest of Dean) !!

The Ruffit is the lane that leads from Broad St Littledean , via High St up to the ridge known as Littledean Hill ( towards Collegrove)

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
co-ords 366563,213910

and another spelling !

Name: Eliza Smith
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 247

Stephen SMITH of East Dean, born c. 1812 (reply)

Lawrencef — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:02:50 +0000

I'm not sure if this is of any help but I've an

Olive Elizabeth Smith
Lived in Littledean as a child (white house, lady Hyde?)

She gave birth to Lovell Glendower Tresham in 1906 to a Jack Tresham in or near Cheltenham. Gave birth to Maud Olive Millard 1920 Southend on Sea father William Millard (name on birth cert) or William Ross (Durban South Africa, person identifed as father when child) or Samual Millard (married under the name Olive Beale, Independent chapel Littledean which may be the name the birth cert was based on).

I have quite a bit of information on her but the birth cert she had is belived to have been obtained for frauding a pension in Canada so is not reliable none the less it has her down as:

Eliza Smith
DOB 28 June 1884
Ruffett Littledean R.S.D (I've no idea where or what Ruffett is, or what the RSD refers to).
Mother: Elizabeth Smith late price formerly Hughes
Father: James Smith Iron Miner

Happy to scan and post or email copy of cert if anyone thinks that it may be of help.

Regards

Lawrence

Stephen SMITH of East Dean, born c. 1812 (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:42:25 +0000

1841
Stephen Smith abt 1811 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Am Smith abt 1817 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Jean Smith abt 1836 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Margrat Smith abt 1838 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
William Smith abt 1840 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire

1851
Stephen Smith abt 1813 Gloucestershire, England Head Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Jane Smith abt 1835 Newport Daughter Trevethin, Monmouthshire
William Smith abt 1840 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Mary Smith abt 1843 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trevethin, Monmouthshire

possible marriage
name Mary Baker?

Name: Stephen Smith
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 289

1861
Stephen Smith abt 1813 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Mary Smith abt 1805 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Trevethin, Monmouthshire
William Smith abt 1840 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire

Stephen and Mary appear to have died /emigrated ? by 1871

1871
William Smith abt 1840 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Mary Smith abt 1842 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Trevethin, Monmouthshire
William Smith abt 1869 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire
George Smith abt 1870 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire

1881
William Smith abt 1841 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Head Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Mary Smith abt 1841 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Wife Trevethin, Monmouthshire
William Jones Smith abt 1869 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire
George Jones Smith abt 1871 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Stephen Jones Smith abt 1878 Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Samuel Jones Smith Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire

1891
William Smith abt 1840 Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Mary Smith abt 1843 Suatchwood, Abersychan Wife Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Stephen J Smith abt 1878 Suatchwood, Abersychan Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire
Samuel J Smith abt 1881 Suatchwood, Abersychan Son Trevethin, Monmouthshire

1901 Snatchwood, Abersychan
William Smith abt 1840 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Abersychan, Monmouthshire
Mary Smith abt 1842 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Abersychan, Monmouthshire
Stephen J Smith abt 1878 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Abersychan, Monmouthshire
Samuel J Smith abt 1881 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Abersychan, Monmouthshire

Stephen Smith of East Dean, born c. 1812

sparkey — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:03:57 +0000

I have a census record from Trevethin, Wales indicating that Stephen Smith (who I believe I am descended from) was born in East Dean, Gloucestershire about 1812. I haven't been able to find any records for him in the area, unfortunately. He married a woman named Ann sometime before 1836 but I don't know when or where that would have happened. They had three children: Jane, William, and Mary, all of whom were born in Wales. Ann died sometime between 1842 and 1851, probably in Wales. Stephen later remarried in Wales to a woman named Mary, who was apparently also born in East Dean.

Does anyone have any information or leads about Stephen Smith from the East Dean area? Baptismal and marriage information would be especially useful.