Forest of Dean FHT Forum - The Whittington connection

The Whittington connection (reply)

Dlg — Fri, 02 Nov 2018 23:19:50 +0000

Hi, I have been doing a lot of research in this and recently found out that I was actually working with one of my Whittington descendants , I was shocked as much as him and his family as also been doing a research on our family , he was the one who told me that the Whittingtons left the money to the Hewitt's ? Also I found some write up about the Berkeley family , and also the Spencer's ? This is where I am stuck , the Spencer's was something to do with Joan mansell ( I think ) I'm not sure if that's anything to do with the SPENCER'S " ? maybe more research is needed , the Hamilton's once again popped up in something that I have read online ... Again I'm not sure if it's the HAMILTON'S? Thank you for your reply.
Here's what I have found about the Berkeley family and Whittington's
https://www.geni.com/people/Johanna-Joan-Berkeley-Whittington-le-Archer/600000000644461... , I hope it's alright to post links ? If so I will post more of my findings .
https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/whittington-families/I7364.php this one is the connection of the Berkeley family and Lennox , I might have it wrong but Lennox is the Spencer's family
Here's something else I have found that's interesting...
http://smithtree.info/home.php/places-faces-from-the-past/

The Whittington connection (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:01:17 +0000

Hi again Dawn.

I hoped that searching the forum for prior threads that mention those family names together might help us understand the various connections ? However sadly I didnt find much;

Whittington / Hewitt - sorry I cannot find any previous relevant threads, please clarify what you know about this possible link.

Whittington / Hamilton - sorry, again cannot find any previous relevant threads.

Whittington / Berkeley - please see https://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28602
"Dick Whittington ... was born at Pauntley about 1357, the third son of William Whittington, Lord of Pauntley. In 1352 William had married Joan ... the widow of Sir Thomas (de) Berkeley, of Coberley," so widow Berkeley was Dick's mother.

"Whittington was a younger son of a Gloucestershire landowner, Sir William de Whittington of Pauntley Manor, who, in 1348, represented the county in Parliament. His mother was Dame Joan Mansell or Maunsell, daughter of the Sheriff of Gloucester."
From https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2015/12/search-real-dick-whittington

Please post again with more information re Hewitt, Hamilton, and so help us to help you, thanks.

Note: I did try looking at some of your own posts in earlier threads, but many of them have been "removed" so not very informative. I have no idea why this is so, it would be helpful to know.

atb J

The Whittington connection (reply)

Dlg — Fri, 02 Nov 2018 14:42:06 +0000

Hello,
The Whittingtons,are my family too my great grandmother was a Whittington before she married peats preece/whittington/peats, So without being too forward does make us family?
Also i don`t understand how the hewitt and berkley family are to do with the Whittingtons.
and Hamilton?
:-)

Ernest James Pritchard (reply)

sherriebaby63 — Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:02:11 +0000

Yes this is Edith's marriage

The Whittington connection (reply)

shepway — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:28:03 +0000

Wonder if sister Eliza became witness Eliza Whittington ?.

Frederick Pritchard born 1893 married Flossie Sophie Mary WHITTINGTON:
Marriages Mar 1933
Pritchard Frederick Whittington Westbury S. 6a 399
Whittington Flossie S M Pritchard Westbury S. 6a 399

This is Flossie's Baptism:
Year 1896
Month Feb
Day 5
Parents Surname WHITTINGTON
Child Forenames Flossie Sophie Mary
Fathers Forenames John Frederick
Mothers Forenames Eliza Ann
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Coal Miner
Officiating Minister William Barker Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/5
Page Number 64
Parish Chapel Drybrook

From which you will see that her parents are John Frederick and Eliza Ann who were witnesses at Leah's marriage to Charles Bannister.

Eliza Ann's maiden name was PREECE:

Flossie's Birth Registration from GRO Index:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WHITTINGTON, FLOSSIE SOPHIA MARY PREECE
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 238

Mike

Edith's mother Leah Pritchard (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:41:07 +0000

Searching the Census we find the following:
1891 Census
Drybrook/Harry Hill
Name Relationship Gender Age Birth Year Birth Place Civil parish Ecclesiastical parish Residence Place Registration district Sub registration district ED, Institution or Vessel Piece Folio
Henry Heath Head Male 29 1862 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Leah Pritchard Living As Wife Female 25 1866 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Charles Heath Son Male 7 1884 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Ada Heath Daughter Female 3 1888 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Alice Heath Daughter Female 1 1890 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham

1901 Census:
Harry Hill
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
102 Henery Heath Boarder 40 1861 Male Yorkshire, England
102 Leah Pritchard Head 36 1865 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Charles Pritchard Son 16 1885 Male Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Ada Pritchard Daughter 12 1889 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Fred Pritchard Son 8 1893 Male Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Rhoda Pritchard Daughter 6 1895 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Sarah Pritchard Daughter 3 1898 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Frank Pritchard Son 2 1899 Male Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England

Searching for Leah on FamilySearch

1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
David Pritchard Head M 36 Collier. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Pritchard Wife F 35 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Pritchard Daughter F 15 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Daniel Pritchard Son M 13 Collier. East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Pritchard Son M 12 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Pritchard Son M 10 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Leah Pritchard Daughter F 6 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Wm Pritchard Son M 4 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rhoda Pritchard Daughter F 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire

Which nicely fits this marriage, as per Mike's earlier post. Wonder if sister Eliza became witness Eliza Whittington ?.

Record_ID: 49583
Entry_Number: 92
Year: 1903
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: BANNISTER
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: 45
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Mason
Grooms_Residence: Steam Mills
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Malsom
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: deceased
Brides_Surname: PRITCHARD
Brides_Forenames: Leah
Brides_Age: 37
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Harry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Pritchard
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: David
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of John F Whittington
Witness_2: Mark of Eliza Ann Whittington
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 46
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: B523
Soundex_Bride: P632

1911 East Dean, Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Bannister Head M 44 MASON. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Leah Bannister Wife F 43 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Pritchard Stepson M 27 COAL MINER HEWER. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Fred Pritchard Stepson M 19 COAL MINER LOADER. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Pritchard Stepson M 12 SCHOOL. East Dean, Gloucestershire

Ernest James Pritchard m Agnes Johnston of Aberdare (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:09:57 +0000

Think this MAY be our man given the birthplace and age ?

1911 Abercarn, Abercarn, Monmouthshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Ernest Pritchard Head M 37 Assorter. Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Agnes Pritchard Wife F 29 Aberdare, Glamorganshire

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
COOPER Esther Newport M 11a 420
JOHNSTON Agnes Newport, M. 11a 420
PRITCHARD Ernest James Newport M 11a 420
VENN James Newport M 11a 420

Several Agnes Pritchards in FreeBMD records, but IF this is Earnest's wife ?... the age fits compared to the 1911 Census, it also fits his re-marriage in 1929.

Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%)
Pritchard Agnes R 45 Newport M 11a 399

Luckily post 1911 Birth records give mother's surname as well as father's.

So from FreeBMD, their children may include;

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1911
PRITCHARD Edna M Johnston Newport M 11a 629

Births Mar 1913
Pritchard Ernest R Johnston Newport M. 11a 634

Searching for marriages for these two, cannot see any obvious links to the FoD.

So was this "our man" or not ???

Edith Pritchard (reply)

shepway — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 18:06:50 +0000

Prior threads have already been mentioned.

The 1939 Register gives us some dates of birth but not sure how accurate Edith's is as I am unable to find a matching birth registration:
Morgan Household (9 People)
103 Victoria Street , East Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
George Morgan 04 Jun 1880 Male Coal Miner (Below) Heavy Work Married 54 1
Edith Morgan 09 Sep 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 54 2
Arthur Morgan 10 Jan 1926 Male At School Single 54 3
Leslie Morgan 09 Aug 1928 Male At School Single 54 4
Ronald Morgan 08 Oct 1930 Male At School Single 54 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
May (Edytha) Morgan 28 Mar 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 54 8
John Morgan 18 Apr 1933 Male At School Single 54 9

However the following Baptism is to be found on this website:
Year 1888
Month Feb
Day 6
Parents Surname PRITCHARD
Child Forenames Edith
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Leah
Mothers Surname
Residence Harry Hill
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister William Barker Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda P[rivately?]
Notes
Register Reference PFC109 IN 1/4
Page Number 193
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Searching the Census we find the following:
1891 Census
Drybrook/Harry Hill
Name Relationship Gender Age Birth Year Birth Place Civil parish Ecclesiastical parish Residence Place Registration district Sub registration district ED, Institution or Vessel Piece Folio
Henry Heath Head Male 29 1862 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Leah Pritchard Living As Wife Female 25 1866 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Charles Heath Son Male 7 1884 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Ada Heath Daughter Female 3 1888 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham 8 2004 86
Alice Heath Daughter Female 1 1890 East Dean Gloucestershire England East Dean Holy Trinity East Dean East Dean Gloucestershire England Westbury On Severn Newnham

1901 Census:
Harry Hill
Household Number Name Relation to Head Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
102 Henery Heath Boarder 40 1861 Male Yorkshire, England
102 Leah Pritchard Head 36 1865 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Charles Pritchard Son 16 1885 Male Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Ada Pritchard Daughter 12 1889 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Fred Pritchard Son 8 1893 Male Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Rhoda Pritchard Daughter 6 1895 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Sarah Pritchard Daughter 3 1898 Female Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England
102 Frank Pritchard Son 2 1899 Male Harry Hill, Gloucestershire, England

Henry Heath died in 1902:
Year: 1902
Month: Mar
Day: 9
Surname: HEATH
Forenames: Henry
Residence: Harry Hill
Age_at_death: 47 years
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 145
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

and Leah married Charles Bannister. Leah died in 1926:
Year: 1926
Month: Dec
Day: 18
Surname: BANNISTER
Forenames: Leah
Residence: Nailbridge
Age_at_death: 64 years
Officiating_Minister: W M Bellamy Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 151
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Looking back at the Census returns for 1891 and 1901 we do not find Edith listed but given Ada is of similar age I wonder if they are one and the same?

Mike

Ernest James Pritchard b 1874 Monmouth District (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:46:42 +0000

FreeBMD has this record, which seems to fit the dates and marriage record;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Mar 1874
Pritchard Ernest James Monmouth 11a 47

Monmouth Registration District includes Tintern area.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/monmouth.html

Which perhaps fits this marriage from this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 193259
Entry_Number:
Year: 1929
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: PRITCHARD
Grooms_Forenames: Ernest James
Grooms_Age: 58
Groom_Condition: widower
Grooms_Occupation: tinplate worker
Grooms_Residence: Bay View Tintern
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: PRITCHARD
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Fredk decd
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: woodman
Brides_Surname: VINER
Brides_Forenames: Annie Hamblin
Brides_Age: 43
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Bay View Tintern
Brides_Fathers_Surname: VINER
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Stephen
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: coachman
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Dolly Julia Marshall
Witness_2: Stephen Viner
Other_Witnesses: Charles Pritchard
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Tintern Monmouth
Soundex_Groom: P632
Soundex_Bride: V560

I'm confused that sofar I only get ONE return from the FamilySearch site, which I'm NOT convinced is relevant;

James Pritchard
United Kingdom, Militia Service Records
Name James Pritchard
Event Type Military Service
Event Year Range 1806-1915
Event Place United Kingdom
Birthplace Monmouth
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876

Guessing this record relates to the Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers (Militia) based at Monmouth Castle. Searching their database gives following record, which shows just how common a name this is, and also that one may have a crude sense of humour !!??.

Your search found 2 record(s)
Pritchard, James, Regimental number:5956
Date of attestation: 1875-01-22 Place of attestation: Abergavenny
Age at enlistment: 18 Occupation: Collier Address: John Haleock, Upper Coacher, Blaenavon
Height at enlistment: 5 feet 4½ inches
Notes: Can read and write

Pritchard, James, Regimental number:5998
Date of attestation: 1875-03-04 Place of attestation: Monmouth
Age at enlistment: 18 Occupation: Farm Labourer Address: Arsole Cottage, Raglan
Height at enlistment: 5 feet 4¼ inches

http://www.monmouthcastlemuseum-archives.org.uk/regsearch.php?surnamescope=starts+with&...

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Tweaking FamilySearch gives these more likely hits, especially after adding "Charles Pritchard" (from the above marriage record) to the "others" box.

1891 Works Road, Little Tintern, Monmouthshire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Elizabeth Pritchard Head F 51 Somersetshire, England
Ernest Pritchard Son M 17 Tinplate Worker. Monmouthshire, England
Charles Pritchard Son M 15 Tinplate Worker. Monmouthshire, England
Frederick Pritchard Son M 13 Tinplate Worker. Monmouthshire, England
Frank Pritchard Son M 9 Monmouthshire, England
Flora Pritchard Daughter F 4 Monmouthshire, England

Altho' Tintern's ancient Abbey Wireworks company had closed by 1875, it was reopened by the early 1880s as the Abbey Wire and Tinplate Co, but was closed for good by 1901. This may have been why Ernest moved into the Forest ?
https://www.forestofdeanhistory.org.uk/resources/sites-in-the-forest/wireworks-branch/

See this highly detailed map from 1887, look for "wireworks" in Chapel Hill area west of the Wye.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453871
The Abbey works is clearly marked on this 1900 map
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453868

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1881 Tintern Little, Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Frederick Pritchard Head M 44 Laborer (Gen). Trelleck, Monmouthshire, England
Elizabeth Pritchard Wife F 41 Clevedon, Somerset, England
Albert Pritchard Son M 14 Laborer (Gen). Trelleck, Monmouthshire, England
Alfred J Pritchard Son M 12 Scholar. Trelleck, Monmouthshire, England
Tom Pritchard Son M 9 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, England
Earnest J Pritchard Son M 7 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, England
Charles Pritchard Son M 5 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, England
Frederick Pritchard Son M 3 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, England

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Struggling to find on 1901 Census.
So look for brother Charles instead;

Name Charles Pritchard
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Devonport, Devonshire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish Stoke Damerel St Andrew
Gender Male
Age 24
Occupation INFANTRY
Relationship to Head of Household Private
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Birthplace Tentern, Monmouthshire
Page Number 15

Belatedly and un-connected (moral-keep tweaking the FamilySearch filters);

1901 Cemetery Road, Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Frederick Pritchard Head M 65 MASONS LABOURER. Trellick, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Pritchard Wife F 61 Clevedon, Somersetshire
Tom Pritchard Son M 29 TIN PLATE WORKER. Trelick, Monmouthshire
Ernest J Pritchard Son M 27 TIN PLATE WORKER. Trelick, Monmouthshire
Frederick J Pritchard Son M 23 BLACKSMITH. Trelick, Monmouthshire
Florrie E A Pritchard Daughter F 14 Tintern Abby, Monmouthshire

(cont)

Ernest James Pritchard - prior threads (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:44:07 +0000

Thanks Jeff!

Chris

Ernest James Pritchard - prior threads (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:32:40 +0000

Researchers need to be aware of these prior threads;
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=30872
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=47026

Ernest James Pritchard (reply)

ChrisW — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:23:16 +0000

Hi Sherrie

Was this Edith's marriage please?

Record_ID: 49620
Entry_Number: 130
Year: 1905
Month: Apr
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: MORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: George Thomas
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morgan
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: PRITCHARD
Brides_Forenames: Edith
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Pritchard
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Ernest James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: George James
Witness_2: Edith Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 65
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: M625
Soundex_Bride: P632

Chris

Ernest James Pritchard

sherriebaby63 — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 08:38:26 +0000

Looking for information on my paternal great grandmother Edith Morgan nee Pritchard, born 1887 died 1957, particularly on her father Ernest James Pritchard who I can find no record of save the record of him on Ediths marriage certificate, would especially like to find out who her mother was, the marriage certificate stated that Edith lived at Nailbridge but she may have been welsh