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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the 1851 census - Westbury on Severn</p>
<p>William MAUN (as spelt on Ancestry) aged 71 - Lab <strong>Pensioner</strong> born Hartbury<br />
Mary - wife aged 54, born Westbury on Severn<br />
Hannah - Grandaughter aged 2</p>
<p>Westbury on Severn - baptisms : parents, William &amp; Mary</p>
<p><strong>Jeremiah </strong>- 1830<br />
Ann - 1833<br />
<strong>Henry </strong>- 1837  (John named a Son Henry)</p>
<p><br />
1841 Census, Westbury on Severn</p>
<p>MANN</p>
<p>William - 55<br />
Mary - 45<br />
Jeremiah - 11<br />
William - 10  (GRO has a William MANN 1840 </p>
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? as William is a Pensioner - were he and John soldiers - hence John marrying an Irish girl</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the 1861 census, where John MANNS says he was born c 1783/1786 in <strong>Hartpury </strong>and then look at his children's names (family names go through generations, also mostly nin order of priority, say father's names, grandfather's names etc</p>
<p>John &amp; Mary MANNS names one of their children - Jeremiah - in 1822</p>
<p>other children of John &amp; Mary (just to re-cap)</p>
<p>1820 - Joseph at Dymock<br />
1822 - <strong>Jeremiah</strong> (as above) at Kempley<br />
1824 - John - at Kempley<br />
1826 - <strong>William</strong> at Dymock<br />
1829 - Sarah at Kempley<br />
1831 - Henry at Kempley<br />
1834 - Samuel 1837 - at Kempley<br />
b]Mary Ann[/b] at Kempley<br />
1840 - <strong>Thomas</strong> at Kempley</p>
<p>There is a <strong>Jeremiah MANN</strong> marrying in Hartpury - 12 April 1779 to Ann VENN</p>
<p>and their children at Hartpury  : Jeremiah &amp; Ann or Anne </p>
<p><br />
1781 MANS Mary - buried 12 June 1785, daughter of Jeremiah &amp; Ann MANNS<br />
1783 MANS <strong>William </strong><br />
1785 MANNS <strong>Jeremiah</strong><br />
<strong>1788 MANNS John</strong><br />
1790 MANNS <strong>Mary Anne</strong> - buried 1 April 1794<br />
1795 MANNS <strong>Thomas</strong><br />
1797 MANNS Anne</p>
<p><br />
---Burial at Hartpury: 12 December 1834</p>
<p>Jeremiah MANNS aged 87, residence: Dimock (C1747)</p>
<p>.... Burial at Hartpury: 7 February 1830</p>
<p>Ann MANNS aged 81 (c1749)</p>
<p><br />
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<p>So, we have siblings and had a quick look for marriages (more work needs to be done)</p>
<p>William MANNS  1783<br />
Jeremiah MANNS  1785  - he's on the 1851 census, Hartpury<br />
John MANNS 1788<br />
Thomas 1795<br />
Anne MANNS 1797</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your reply.</p>
<p>Your info looks very promising. My death date for Mary was 1869 and therefore i did not know she had re-married,</p>
<p>Her fathers name of McIntyre seems to confirm that she came from Ireland.</p>
<p>You wonderful people on FOD Forum are clearly far more experience than i am on finding records for which i am very grateful.</p>
<p>If only we could find out for definite who JOhn Manns is and who his parents definitely are as this is preventing me from going back any farther in my research.</p>
<p>Once again, many thanks</p>
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<title>John &amp; Mary Manns, Kempley area, Gloucestershire (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Will check this infor</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your reply.</p>
<p>I have found these records but confusing birth dates and birth places on different census dont help grrrrrrrrr</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your reply</p>
<p>I have found those records but they dont tell me if i have the correct John Manns!</p>
<p>I am assuming he is the correct John Manns because he had a son called William born 1826 who was Gt Gt Grandfather to my husband.</p>
<p>The Census records are confusing with different possible birth dates and places of birth for John &amp; Mary.</p>
<p>I have the death date for himas 1867 and for a Mary Manns in 1869 but not sure if that is correct!</p>
<p>Manns in Gloucestershire is an extremely difficult name to research grrrrrrrrr</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for replying.</p>
<p>I have found those records but they are very confusing.</p>
<p>1841 Census says he was born ???<br />
1851   &quot;      &quot;     &quot;        Kempley<br />
1861   &quot;      &quot;     &quot;        Hartpury</p>
<p><br />
I believe Sarah was their daughter, married to Thomas Goode</p>
<p>So confusing!</p>
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<title>John &amp; Mary Manns, Kempley area, Gloucestershire (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for replying to query.</p>
<p>I have found all the records you mention but i cannot pin down an exact John Manns or his wife Mary.</p>
<p>In 1841 Census says she was born in Kemply<br />
In 1851 Census says she was born in Londonderry</p>
<p>So confusing.</p>
<p>I cant pin down a definite date for John Manns birth and there are numerous couples who could be his parents.</p>
<p>I have found all the children you mentioned.</p>
<p>Brick wall aghhhhhhh!!</p>
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<title>Widowed Mary Manns re-married in 1870, Kempley area. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much MPG for confirming the 1871 info, and that Mary did indeed die vaguely near Redmarley, or at least that's where her death was registered. Anyone know who might register a death, does it have to be family, or her doctor, or ?.  Took me a while to find one of my ancestor's death records - it was recorded in deepest Herefordshire, far from his Longhope home ?? - but then I realised that was where he'd died in a railway accident, so that was where the inquest was held.</p>
<p>Thanks too M for pointing out this record, could've sworn I looked in the PRs but clearly not very well.... </p>
<p>Record_ID: 144796<br />
Entry_Number: 250<br />
Year: 1879<br />
Month: Apr<br />
Day: 4<br />
Surname: MEREDITH<br />
Forenames: Mary<br />
Residence: Kempley<br />
Age_at_death: 82<br />
Officiating_Minister: John C. Weaver<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/18<br />
Page_No: 32<br />
Parish_Chapel: Kempley<br />
Soundex: M633</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to confirm </p>
<p><br />
1871 Census, Dymock</p>
<p>(just outside Dymock Village)</p>
<p><br />
Windcross</p>
<p>MEREDITH</p>
<p>John - 77 - Toll Gate Keeper, born Herefords Ledbury<br />
Mary - 76 - born Ireland</p>
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<p>? there is also a burial of Mary MEREDITH aged 82 in 1879 at Kempley</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After John Manns died in 1867, looks like his widow Mary re-married.<br />
Note maiden name McIntyre as per Mike's post.</p>
<p>GlosBMD;</p>
<p>Marriage Details<br />
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry<br />
MEREDITH John MANNS Mary Ann Gloucester Dymock St Mary the Virgin  1870 16 No 1 325<br />
MEREDITH John MCINTYRE Mary Ann Gloucester Dymock St Mary the Virgin  1870 16 No 1 325</p>
<p><br />
Luckily the FoD PRs include this excellent full marriage record;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 53954<br />
Entry_Number: 325<br />
Year: 1870<br />
Month: Jan<br />
Day: 19<br />
Grooms_Surname: MEREDITH<br />
Grooms_Forenames: John<br />
Grooms_Age: Full<br />
Groom_Condition: Widower<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Gate Keeper<br />
Grooms_Residence: Windcross<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Meredith<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker<br />
Brides_Surname: MANNS<br />
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann<br />
Brides_Age: Full<br />
Brides_Condition: Widow<br />
Brides_Occupation: <br />
Brides_Residence: Windcross<br />
<strong>Brides_Fathers_Surname: McIntyre<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Sea Captain</strong><br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark<br />
Witness_1: Mark of Thomas Smith<br />
Witness_2: Mark of May Smith<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: J G Packer<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P125 IN 1/27<br />
Page_Number: 163<br />
Parish_Chapel: Dymock<br />
Soundex_Groom: M633<br />
Soundex_Bride: M520</p>
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<p>Not easy to find using FamilySearch, but here she is in 1871;</p>
<p>Name  Mary Meredith<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1871<br />
Event Place  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Enumeration District  2d<br />
Gender  Female<br />
Age  76<br />
Marital Status  Married<br />
Occupation  Wife<br />
Relationship to Head of Household  Wife<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1795<br />
Birthplace  Ireland<br />
Entry Number  21<br />
Affiliate Image Identifier  GBC/1871/2608/0158</p>
<p><br />
Think this is husband John, pretty sure it's the same household despite being presented separately, and both same image number;</p>
<p>Name  John Meredith<br />
Event Type  Census<br />
Event Date  1871<br />
Event Place  Dymock, Gloucestershire, England<br />
Enumeration District  2d<br />
Gender  Male<br />
Age  77<br />
Marital Status  Married<br />
Occupation  Toll Gate Keeper<br />
Relationship to Head of Household  Head<br />
Birth Year (Estimated)  1794<br />
Birthplace  Ledbury, Herefordshire<br />
Entry Number  20<br />
Affiliate Image Identifier  GBC/1871/2608/0158</p>
<p>(Oddly I cannot find him locally on the 1861 Census.)</p>
<p>Cannot find any burial records for them in the PRs, but FreeBMD has;</p>
<p>Deaths Jun 1877<br />
MEREDITH  Mary  84  Newent  6a 179<br />
Deaths Jun 1879 <br />
Meredith  Mary  82  Newent  6a 171</p>
<p>Confirmed by GlosBMD;<br />
Surname Given Names Age Year Died District Register Entry  <br />
MEREDITH Mary 84 1877 Gloucester, Newent 11 250 <br />
MEREDITH Mary 82 1879 Gloucester, Redmarley 8 486</p>
<p>IF the 1871 Census age is correct, looks like our Mary died in 1879 - hopefully the subscription websites will show the above Census was in Redmarley area.<br />
N.B. Meredith is a common name in this general area !</p>
<p>I cannot find any likely death record for our John on FreeBMD in Glos or neighbouring Herefordshire &amp; Worcestershire,or GlosBMD or PRs.<br />
???</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FoD PRs have;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 144760<br />
Entry_Number: 214<br />
Year: 1867<br />
Month: Jul<br />
Day: 7<br />
Surname: MANNS<br />
Forenames: John<br />
Residence: Kempley<br />
Age_at_death: 84<br />
Officiating_Minister: Arthur J. Steel<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/18<br />
Page_No: 27<br />
Parish_Chapel: Kempley<br />
Soundex: M520</p>
<p>So born abt 1783</p>
<p>The PRs for Kempley include over 40 more MANNS, so it's disappointing cannot find a burial record for John's wife Mary Ann (as she was named in the 1851 Census) ??. Cannot find her on GlosBMD or FreeBMD either.</p>
<p>Did find their daughter's, though;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 144702<br />
Entry_Number: 156<br />
Year: 1852<br />
Month: May<br />
Day: 17<br />
Surname: MANNS<br />
Forenames: Mary Ann<br />
Residence: Kempley Green<br />
Age_at_death: 14<br />
Officiating_Minister: Arthur J. Steel Curate<br />
Event: Burial<br />
Cause_of_death: <br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/18<br />
Page_No: 20<br />
Parish_Chapel: Kempley<br />
Soundex: M520</p>
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<p>Another PR references MPG's earlier mention of Thomas Goode &amp; Sarah;</p>
<p>Record_ID: 100284<br />
Entry_Number: 18<br />
Year: 1847<br />
Month: Dec<br />
Day: 11<br />
Grooms_Surname: GOODE<br />
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas<br />
Grooms_Age: of age<br />
Groom_Condition: Bachelor<br />
Grooms_Occupation: Husbandman<br />
Grooms_Residence: Kempley Green<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: GOODE<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas<br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Husbandman<br />
Brides_Surname: MANNS<br />
Brides_Forenames: Sarah<br />
Brides_Age: of age<br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster<br />
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]<br />
Brides_Residence: Kempley Green<br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MANNS<br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John<br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Husbandman<br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns<br />
Date_of_Banns: <br />
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs<br />
Witness_1: Mark of Joseph Manns<br />
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Manns<br />
Other_Witnesses: <br />
Officiating_Minister: William Servante Vicar<br />
Event: Marriage<br />
Memoranda: <br />
Notes: <br />
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/15<br />
Page_Number: 9<br />
Parish_Chapel: Kempley<br />
Soundex_Groom: G300<br />
Soundex_Bride: M520</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Glos BMD there is, not too far away,</p>
<p>MANNS  Thomas, Mother’s former name MCINTIRE 1840 District Gloucester, Office Gloucester, Redmarley 1 473</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the 1861 census</p>
<p>John MANN - aged 75 - and the Parish Clerk<br />
states he was born in Hartpury and </p>
<p><br />
Mary MANN 65 -  <br />
states she was born in <strong>Ireland, Derry</strong></p>
<p><br />
Thomas GOOD is next door with Sarah (as they were on the 1851 census)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you search for MANNS baptisms: parents : John &amp; Mary </p>
<p>1820 - Joseph - at Dymock<br />
1822 - Jeremiah  - at  Kempley<br />
1824 - John - at Kempley<br />
1826 - William - at Dymock<br />
1829 - Sarah - at Kempley<br />
1831 - Henry - at Kempley<br />
1834 - Samuel - at Kempley<br />
1837 - Mary Ann - at Kempley<br />
1840 - Thomas - at Kempley</p>
<p><br />
1841 Census, Kempley Green</p>
<p>MANNS <br />
John - 50 - Ag Lab - born in County<br />
Mary - 40 - born I (in end column usually means Ireland)<br />
Sarah - 11<br />
Samuel - 6<br />
Mary Ann - 3</p>
<p><br />
Joseph's marriage in the records - gives his father as John</p>
<p><br />
Checked with the GRO Index - but can't see a record for a Mary Ann MANNS - 1837 or Thomas 1840 - which could give the mother's maiden name.</p>
<p><br />
There are Goal records for a John &amp; Jeremiah MANNS </p>
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<p>On the 1851 census, John gives his age as 64 c1787</p>
<p>Looking at family names it is possible  John is the son of Jeremiah &amp; Ann MANN - born Hartpury, 13 January 1788</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have hit a brick wall trying to find info regarding the above. John Manns is a very difficult name  to research as it is so common in Gloucestershire!</p>
<p>This JOhn &amp; Mary are the parents of 1826 William Manns, born in Kempley, married to Ellen Jenkins,</p>
<p>I have found a John Manns ranging in birth dates from 1786 to 1805!</p>
<p>and his wife Mary Manns - could be Mary Preece, Mary Phillips or any other Mary born in or around Kempley from 1795-1805!!</p>
<p>Grateful for any inspiration!</p>
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