Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Margaret Rose WYNN (nee BUTLER) 1923 -1987 Cinderford

Margaret Rose WYNN (nee BUTLER) 1923 -1987 Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 22:17:09 +0000

1881 Tent, 3, Rodborough Common, Rodborough, Stroud,
Samson Stephens Head Married Male 29 1852 Tinker clothes peg maker Shedworth ? Gloucestershire, England
Clementena Stephens Wife Married Female 30 1851 Pedlar Berkley, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Stephens Mother Widow Female 70 1811 Pedlar on the High Sea English
William Stephens Son Single Male 15 1866 Clothes peg maker (w d) Farnham, Surrey, England
Henry Stephens Son Single Male 5 1876 - Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England
John Stephens Son Single Male 3 1878 - Selsey Gloucestershire, England

Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
STEPHENS Dora Ledbury 6a 455

1901 Harley Wood, Harleywood, Nailsworth,
Samson Stephens Head Married Male 60 1841 Horseman on farm Gloucestershire, England
Clementina Stephens Wife Married Female 60 1841 Hawker Hillesley, Gloucestershire, England
Dora Stephens Daughter Single Female 20 1881 General servant Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Harry Stephens Son Single Male 15 1886 - Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England
Leonard Stephens Son Single Male 10 1891 - Nailsworth, Gloucestershire, England

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Butler Adolphus Ledbury 6a 1016
Stephens Dora Ledbury 6a 1016

1911 New Road Horsley Nailsworth
Samson Stevens Head Married Male 69 1842 Pedlar hawker Glos Nailsworth
Lemintina Stevens Wife Married Female 69 1842 - Glos Hawkesbury
Adolphus Butler Son in law Married Male 28 1883 Pedlar hawker Wilts Swindon
Dora Butler Daughter Married Female 27 1884 - Hereford Bosbury
Alfred Butler Grandson - Male 6 1905 - Glos Randwick
Lily Butler Granddaughter - Female 4 1907 - Glos Horsley
Albert Butler Grandson - Male 2 1909 - Glos Ruscombe
Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Butler Adolphus Ledbury 6a 1016
Stephens Dora Ledbury 6a 1016

1921 Ripple Upton on Severn WOR
Dora Adolphus Alfred and 3 others

1939 Farm Buildings Court y Park, Pixley nr Trumpet cross roads( now a golf course and leisure complex)

Violet Butler 17th August 1907
2 hidden records
Percy Butler 14th Dec 1917
Dora Butler 15th Sept 1881
Adolphus Butler 9th May 1912
Richard Butler 14th June 1916
Rose Butler 14th Sept 1923

First name(s) Margaret Rose
District Forest of Dean
Last name Wynn
Register number 187
Gender Female
County Gloucestershire
Birth day -
Volume 22
Birth month -
Page 1887
Birth year 1922
Country England
Age -
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 1
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Registration Month 1
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1987
Collections from Great Britain, England

Frederick WYNN 1915 -1981 family Cinderford (reply)

Gogirl — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 20:27:24 +0000

Thankyou slow hands anything else you find I would be grateful.

Frederick WYNN 1915 -1981 family Cinderford (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 17:55:39 +0000

Marriages Jun 1945 (>99%)
Butler Rose F.of Dean 6a 824
Wynn Frederick W F.of Dean 6a 824

This would appear to be the off spring, your siblings
Births Jun 1946
Wynn Frederick Butler F.of Dean 6a 567
Births Sep 1947 (>99%)
Wynn Mervin J Butler F.of Dean 7b 681
Births Sep 1954 (>99%)
Wynn Dorothy L M Butler F. of Dean 7b 530
Wynn Lilian M Butler F. of Dean 7b 530
Births Sep 1955 (>99%)
WYNN Mary G BUTLER F.of Dean 7b 502
Births Jun 1956 (>99%)
Wynn Arthur H G Butler F.Of Dean 7b 547
Births Jun 1957 (>99%)
WYNN Albert W BUTLER F.of Dean 7b 565
Births Jun 1962 (>99%)
WYNN George R BUTLER F.of Dean 7b 661

1911 Bilson Green
R Wynn Head Single Male 30 1881 Labourer Stone Mason? Little Dean Glos
Alice James Housekeeper - Female 21 1890 - -
Ivy May James Adopted daughter - Female 4 1907 - -
Percy Charles Wynn Son - Male 0 1911 - Cinderford Glos

1921 Frederick, Robert Alice and 5 others

1939 10 Steam Mills, Cinderford
Reuben Wynn 01 Mar 1880 Male Railway Plate Later Married 57 1
Alice Wynn 27 Dec 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 57 2
Frederick (W) Wynn 22 Nov 1915 Male Poultry (Colliery?) Hauler (Below) Single 57 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
Phyllis (I M) Wynn (Evans) 25 Jun 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 57 5
Dorothy I Whitaker (Brown,Wynn) 31 Mar 1936 Female Under School Age Single 57 6

Deaths Jun 1981 (>99%)
WYNN FREDERICK WILLIAM 22NO1915 GLOUCESTER 22 1873

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Gogirl — Tue, 10 May 2022 17:46:15 +0000

Yes I would like that thank you.

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Gogirl — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:06:40 +0000

Hi I sent a message I can give you my email address if you would like to contact me . Thanks

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Gogirl — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:19:17 +0000

Hi I am one of Rosie and Fred’s daughters we were fostered out in the 60s we were led to believe we had other sisters? born later in the 60s I was born 1954 my sister 1955 plus we have older and younger brothers.my sister and self can remember living in steam mills then in a caravan in. Crumpmeadow for a short time before we were fostered out. Any information we would appreciate it looks like your mum is our cousin wow thank you.

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Rtaylor — Wed, 09 Jun 2021 10:54:17 +0000

Hi. My mum (85) is the daughter of Albert Butler so would make you her cousin. My mum remembers your parents living with Fred’s mother at No. 10 Steam Hills. Fred was known as Flowsy to those that knew him. Fred’s mother kicked them out and they ended up in a tent in the forest. It seems Fred was partial to drink. Rosie had her children removed, some as soon as they were born. Mum remembered that she kept two boys. This is all the information that she told me. I hope this helps.

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MPGriffiths — Sat, 15 May 2021 13:14:03 +0000

GRO Index

BUTLER, Rennie - mother's maiden name: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C - Page: 620

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Eliza BUTLER aged 29 on the 1891 Census: nee SMITH (says born Cranham, Gloucestershire)

and

BUTLER Adolphus - mother's maiden name: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in HIGHWORTH (which cover SWINDON) - Volume 05A Page 32.

? Did mention in previous reply in 1891 census - Adolphus BUTLER had a SMITH family listed next to him -

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MPGriffiths — Sat, 15 May 2021 10:05:21 +0000

Ancestry has a baptism at

Bulkington, Christchurch

7 November 1886

Ettie

Parents: Eliza & Arclas BUTLER - Gipsy (so either known as AMBROSE of Arclas)

Tree on Ancestry has a link to

RENNIE's baptism at Warmley, St Barnabas, Gloucestershire

18 September 1884 (born Sept 12th 1884)

Rennie

parents: Archelaws & Eliza BUTLER - residence: North Common

occupation: Umbrella Manufacturer

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MPGriffiths — Sat, 15 May 2021 09:36:10 +0000

The WW1 records are very clear and interesting, here's the 1911 Census

New Road, Horsley, Nailsworth

STEVENS
Samson - aged 69 - married - Pedlar, Hawker born, Nailsworth, Glos
Lemintina - aged 69 - married 25 years, 5 children born alive, 5 living, born Glos. Hawkesbury

living with them

BUTLER

Adolphus BUTLER - son-in-law - aged 28 - married 10 years, 3 children born alive, 3 living - Pedlar, Hawker, born Swindon, Wilts
Dora - daughter - aged 37 - married ten years - born Hereford, Bosbury
Alfred - grandson - 6 born Glos. Randwick
Lily - grand-daguther - 4 born Glos. Horsley
Albert - Grandson - 2 born Glos. Buscombe

* SWINDON also where I was born.

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1891 Census, Hampshire, Bramshott

House Cart or Caravan, Thornhill Hollywater Road

BUTLER

Adolphus - married 29 - Umbrella trade - born Gloucestershire, Cranham
Eliza - 29 - born ditto
Adolphus - 8 - born Swindon, Wiltshire
Renna - son - 6 - born Blackwater
Etta - 4 - born Wilts, Trowbridge
Florence - 3 - born Blackwater
Ambrose - 2 months ? born Gloucestershire, Stroud Water

(there is a SMITH family next - also in the Umbrella Trade)

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MPGriffiths — Sat, 15 May 2021 09:28:09 +0000

There is a Public members Tree on Ancestry (just reading through)

Adolphus BUTLER was born - 9 May 1912 in Horsley - his parents were

Adolphus BUTLER - born 1883 and Dora STEPHENS - born 1881 - 1953

Seems Adolphus BUTLER Snr - served in WW1 - just reading through the records.

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MPGriffiths — Sat, 15 May 2021 09:22:13 +0000

Since, Mike Pinchin put the 1939 Register for the Butler's at Country Park Farm Buildings, Ledbury, Pixley, Herefordshire (with 3 redacted entries)

Looking at the 1939 Register on Ancestry

BUTLER, Violet - born Aug 17 1907 - there is now

BUTLER Percy - born Dec 14th 1917 - labourer - extra name

as well as Adolphus and Richard (as above)

BUTLER Rose (Margaret R) in green - and then WYNN

Not sure if the same family, but next name

LLOYD Alice (GIBNE or EIBNE - written in Green.

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Marian B BUTLER
birth A/M/J Qtr 1943 -
Registration District, Banbury
Inferred County, Oxfordshire

Mother's maiden name: BUTLER

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Gogirl — Fri, 14 May 2021 22:27:44 +0000

Hi I noticed several post on here referring to Dora butler my mothers Marian name was butler also lots of other names come to light. I was one of several children born to rose Wynn nee butler I was fostered at the age of 7 and would like to know more about my birth mothers side of the family. Thanks

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JaneyH — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:47:48 +0000

For those that may not know, burning a gypsy’s caravan when they die is a traditional custom, not an act of vandalism. I remember it happening in a traveller’s site in the Fens in the 1980s.

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rhianonturrell — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:19:11 +0000

You may find more information on Gypsy genealogy gypsygenealogy.com where there are Butlers mentioned and the Gypsy Family history Society https://rtfhs.org.uk/.
I did some research a few years ago for a friend some of whose ancestors appeared on Gypsy Genealogy including Butlers.

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grahamdavison — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:37:37 +0000

We have in 1945 at the Forest of Dean Register Office

Rose Butler married Frederick William Wynn

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Mike Pinchin — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:41:55 +0000

1939 Register

Country Park Farm Buildings, Ledbury, Pixley, Herefordshire

Butler Violet, F, Aug 17 1907, Married, Domestic duties unpaid
3 redacted entries
Butler Dora, F, Sept 15 1881, Married, Domestic duties unpaid
Butler Adolphus, M, May 9 1912, Single, Labourer
Butler Richard, M, June 14 1916, Single, Labourer
Butler Rose, F, Sept 14 1923, Single, Domestic UNEMPLOYED

[Rose BUTLER amended to WYNN (14/6/45). Rose amended to Margaret R.]

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MPGriffiths — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 08:06:55 +0000

There is a link to a previous thread and a reply from Shepway - 8 August 2018 - with the 1911 census and marriage of Dora STEPHENS to Adolphus BUTLER - 1902 - in Bosbury, Herefordshire.

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MPGriffiths — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 07:40:45 +0000

If you Google

Dora Butler Cinderford

Google Books

The Forest of Dean - Google Books Results

There is long paragraph

Gypies lived in Crump Meadow Wood, Cinderford. BUTLER is a well-known Forest Gypsey name and when Mrs Dora BUTLER died in 1953 her van was burnt at Crump Meadow - the first one to be burnt there for many years. A few yards away was an old frame tent, the home of her husband. they had married and had four sons and two daughters and had separated. And ever since he had paid her 2s 6d. a week, although the the last twelve years her van and his tent had only been a few yards apart. He used to take her a smoke or a bit of sugar. And when she died he decides to burn her caravan - 'And if your father died - would you like to see anyone else wearing his trousers? he said at the time. All Mrs Butler's possession were burnt; her van, furniture, clothes - even her wireless, although Mr Butlere had no wire. etc. etc.

Forest of Dean records

Dora BUTLER buried at Cinderford St John - 23 January 1953 - aged 75 years, residence: Crump Meadow.

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Mike Pinchin — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:46:56 +0000

There are a number of references in the BNA (1900 to 1940) to a Dora Butler. Her husband Adolphus and possible relatives, Albert, Percy and Harold Butler are also mentioned. Most of the references are to court cases concerning various petty offences. It is clear that those involved are gypsies. Most of the action takes place around Stroud. Does this make sense in your context?