Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Harry GRINDLE, father of Percy & Roy, Coach Operators C20th.

Harry GRINDLE, father of Percy & Roy, Coach Operators C20th. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:46:44 +0000

Thanks guys, I hadn't realised oil was used in such quantities in those days.
That said, I spose if you only sell a pint a time, but to every household, thats good steady business.

Harry GRINDLE, father of Percy & Roy, Coach Operators C20th. (reply)

cjk136 — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:56:01 +0000

For what it's worth a couple of my ancestors were in oil!! One an oil 'hawker' delivered oil, mainly paraffin, on his horse and cart to homes, places of work and several inns. Yes, the horse did find it's own way back home all by itself many times with it's owner slightly the worse for wear! The other ancestor an oil 'merchant' owned an oil and hardware shop in Ashley Down Rd for over 60 years, selling paraffin mainly for lighting and heating.

Harry GRINDLE, father of Percy & Roy, Coach Operators C20th. (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:29:29 +0000

Harry sold oil as in a lubricant and heating / lighting fuel rather than petrol.

Roy Grindle's coach (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:29:14 +0000

That's right, we got Grindle's coaches as schoolbuses at my first year at RFDGS at Berry Hill so abt 73/4, then we moved to Ken Beard's. I suspect that was because Beards had a bigger fleet and Grindles were rather upmarket touring coaches for us rabble. Once or twice we did get this same bus when nothing else was available, I remember the metal pennant on the roof, very "flash" !. Had to behave VERY well when on her !.

Roy Grindle's coach (reply)

admin — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:59:10 +0000

Bedford Coach Preserved

For those who remember the 1960's and 1970's
Keep your eyes open for this 1972 Bedford Coach

It is preserved as a "Roy Grindle" coach
This was a familiar sight in the Forest and beyond

The gentleman in the coach is believed to be Roy's son Harry
'I'm sure I met Harry's son Philip in Dockham Road a few years back'

(Photo and details supplied by Slowhands)

Harry GRINDLE, father of Percy & Roy, Coach Operators C20th. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:50:33 +0000

I think I'm beginning to see the Wood for the Trees ! (although I'm not sure whether there is actuall a light at the end of my personal tunnel, Beechings cuts perhaps).

Prior thread:

Joseph GRINDLE 1813 -> Coach Co. Cinderford
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=812

BUT what about that "oil merchant" stuff ?.
Not "petrol" aka filling station presumably

Harry GRINDLE, father of Percy & Roy, Coach Operators C20th. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:38:00 +0000

Dear Slowhands, or anyone else that knows, please help.

I wasn't aware the Grindles were so prevalent in the FoD, yes I knew of one or two at school in the 70s, but the "main" ones I knew were the Cinderford Coach operators Roy and Percy. My father knew them thro the business, and their father Harry.
My eldest sister's wedding car in 1976 was a silver Austin Princess limo belonging to Percy I believe, I remember an elderly gent driving it, possibly Percy.

Anyhow to the point: I see on the other thread the address Hinders Lane crops up a lot, does anyone know whether this explains why Roy Grindle's yard was at the base of Dockham Road "off" Hinders Lane ?.
Secondly, from the following PR, does anyone know what an "oilman" is ?.
Sounds more like a railway term to me, but...?

Thanking you again, Jeff.

Record_ID: 332513
Entry_Number: 71
Year: 1902
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: GRINDLE
Child_Forenames: Roy Harry
Fathers_Forenames: Harry
Mothers_Forenames: Ethel May
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford
Occupation: Oilman
Officiating_Minister: Tho Longstaff
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Born 12 Jan 1901
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: G653

Ah, just spotted this "clarification", he's an "oil merchant"

Record_ID: 332925
Entry_Number: 485
Year: 1909
Month: Jun
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: GRINDLE
Child_Forenames: Alfred Percy
Fathers_Forenames: Harry
Mothers_Forenames: Ethel May
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woodside St Cinderford
Occupation: Oil Merchant
Officiating_Minister: J Martin Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: G653

BUT what sort of oil, and to who ?. Surely oil wasn't used in quantity for heating houses etc in those days ?.
Thanks.

Jonas HEAD 1810 Swindon -> FoD (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:43:58 +0000

JOHN HEAD
--------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH ADAMS
Marriage: 30 APR 1804 Highworth, Wiltshire, England
----------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M152682 1743 - 1895 1279306 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

JONAH HEAD
-------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 APR 1810 Highworth, Wiltshire, England
-------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: JOHN HEAD
Mother: SARAH
--------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C152682 1743 - 1885 1279306 Film NONE
Sheet:

1841 Sevenhampton ?
John Head abt 1761 [1781] Wiltshire, England Highworth Wiltshire Ag lab
Sarah Head abt 1811[1781] Wiltshire, England Highworth Wiltshire
Elizah [ELIJAH]Head abt 1821 Wiltshire, England Highworth Wiltshire

1841
Jonas Head abt 1816 Wiltshire, England Swindon Wiltshire Publican ??

William HEAD 1870 (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:28:47 +0000

Name: Martha Jordan
Name: Jonas Head
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Highworth
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 8
Page: 538

1851 Broad St Littledean
Martha Head abt 1811 Oshburgh, Berkshire, England Head Little Dean Gloucestershire Rail Lab wife
Esther Head abt 1850 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Head abt 1843 Swindon, Wiltshire, England Son Little Dean Gloucestershire
John Head abt 1846 Upper Shatton, Wiltshire, England Son Little Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Head abt 1848 Upper Shatton, Wiltshire, England Daughter Little Dean Gloucestershire
William Head abt 1844 Upper Shatton, Wiltshire, England Son Little Dean Gloucestershire

1861 Ruspidge
John [Jonas] Head abt 1810 Wiltshire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Martha Head abt 1811 Berkshire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Head abt 1854 Blarsdon, Yorkshire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Sara Head Jabt 1848 Stratton, Wiltshire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William G Head Jabt 1844 Trimdon, Wiltshire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Head abt 1851 Littledean, Yorkshire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Head abt 1843 Thorndon, Wiltshire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
John Head abt 1860 Stratton, Wiltshire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Ruspidge
John Jackson Sarah abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Jackson abt 1848 Wiltshire, England Wife East Dean
John Jackson abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Daniel Jackson Jabt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jackson abt 1866 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Jonah Head abt 1810 Wiltshire, England Father-in-law East Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Cinderford Tump
William Head abt 1849 Swindon Head East Dean Gloucestershire Iron Miner
Sophia Head abt 1847 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
John Head abt 1868 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Head abt 1870 Cinderford East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1881 8 Woodsdie Rd Cinderford
Wm. Geo. Head a abt 1844 Swindon (East Dean), Wiltshire, England Head Flaxley Gloucestershire
Sophia Head . abt 1847 Gloucestershire, England Wife Flaxley Gloucestershire
Anne Head abt 1880 Cinderford Daughter Flaxley Gloucestershire
Charles Head abt 1876 Cinderford Son Flaxley Gloucestershire
Florence Head abt 1874 Cinderford Daughter Flaxley Gloucestershire
Harry Head abt 1878 Cinderford Son Flaxley Gloucestershire
John Head abt 1868 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxley Gloucestershire
Wm. Head abt 1870 Cinderford Son Flaxley Gloucestershire

1891
Wm G Head abt 1844 Swindon, Wiltshire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane S Head abt 1847 Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Alice Head abt 1883 Cinderfrod, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Annie C Head abt 1881 Cinderfrod, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Charles Head abt 1876 Cinderfrod, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Florence M Head abt 1873 Cinderfrod, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Harry Head abt 1878 Cinderfrod, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
John J Head abt 1868 Cinderfrod, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Wm Head abt 1870 Cinderfrod, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Fanny Grindle
Name: William Henry Head
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 440

Joseph GRINDLE 1813 -> Coach Co. Cinderford

slowhands — Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:26:54 +0000

1841
GRINDAL Joseph 20 Coal Miner yes
Maria 19 Wife yes
William 2 Son yes
Green Bottom HO107/364b Vol 8 Folio 12

1851
GRINDLE Joseph 39 Coal Miner East Dean
Maria 32 Mitchel Dean
William 12 Hinders Lane
Frances 7 Hinders Lane

In East Dean 1851 :-
102 FORD Thomas 31 Sawyer Nymphsfield
Sarah 31 East Dean
Miriam 10 Scholar at Home East Dean
TINGLE Joseph Father in Law Widow/er 82 Haullier Flaxley

1861
Fanny Webb Grindel abt 1844 Lahawlet, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham Gloucestershire
Joseph Grindel abt 1813 Lahawlet, Gloucestershire, England Head Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham Gloucestershire
Maria Grindel abt 1819 Lahawlet, Gloucestershire, England Wife Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham Gloucestershire
William Grindel abt 1839 Lahawlet, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxby, Littledean and Newnham

WILLIAM GRINDLE marries MIRIAM FORD about 1865 in East Dean

1871
Alice Grindle abt 1870 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxley Gloucestershire
Elizth Grindle abt 1867 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxley Gloucestershire
Ellen Grindle abt 1865 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxley Gloucestershire
Fanny Grindle abt 1869 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxley Gloucestershire
Miriam Grindle abt 1841 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Flaxley Gloucestershire
William Grindle abt 1840 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Flaxley Gloucestershire

1881
Thomas Ford abt 1819 Cinderford Father in Law No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Grindle abt 1871 Cinderford Daughter No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Fanny Grindle abt 1869 Cinderford Daughter No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Fred Grindle abt 1876 Cinderford Son No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Grindle abt 1879 Cinderford Son No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Lizzie Grindle abt 1867 Cinderford Daughter No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Myra Grindle abt 1841 Cinderford Wife No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Wm. Grindle abt 1840 Cinderford (East Dean) Head No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England
Wm. Grindle abt 1877 Cinderford Son No 41 Woodside Rd, Flaxley, Gloucestershire, England

1891
Wm. Grindle abt abt 1840 East Dean Head Gloucestershire, England
Grindle, Edith abt 1887 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Grindle, Eliza abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Grindle, Fanny abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Grindle, Fred abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Grindle, Harry abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Grindle, Meriam abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Grindle, Willie abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Ford abt 1819 Nympsfield, Gloucestershire, England Father-in-law East Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Fanny Grindle
Name: William Henry Head
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 440

The Head family link to the Co-Op in Cinderford

1901
Harry Grindle abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Ethel Grindle abt 1884 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Roy H Grindle abt 1901 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1911
GRINDLE HARRY M 1881 30 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
GRINDLE ETHEL F 1883 28 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
GRINDLE ROY M 1901 10 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Name: Roy H Grindle
Spouse Cecily M Bennett
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1924
Registration district: Westbury-On-Severn
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 709

formed the

The Grindle Coach Co, Cinderford