by francesmillard, (4520 days ago)
15 May 1720 Alicia Hunmande married Jonathan Hare in Gloucester Cathderal. Could this be Alicia (Alice) Hunman de somewhere? (Her residence is listed as de Eaden but I cannot find Eaden). I have found their children but not their forebears. Could anyone be married in the Cathedral? Any help with Hares or Hunman(de)s greatly appreciated.
by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, (4520 days ago) @ francesmillard
15 May 1720 Alicia Hunmande married Jonathan Hare in Gloucester Cathderal. Could this be Alicia (Alice) Hunman de somewhere? (Her residence is listed as de Eaden but I cannot find Eaden).
I wonder if the record is CHURCHAM but transcribed as "de eaden" because that is the way the handwriting looks - "ch" read as "d" or "de"
I have found their children but not their forebears. Could anyone be married in the Cathedral?
I suspect that you would have needed " an introduction" to marry in St Peters unless it was your parish church i.e. the Precincts.
Any help with Hares or Hunman(de)s greatly appreciated.
Year: 1720
Month: May
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: HARE
Grooms_Forenames: Jonathon
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hrdwick {HARDWICKE}
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HUNMANDE
Brides_Forenames: Alicia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: de eaden {CHURCHAM}
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PMF154/2
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Gloucester Cathedral {St PETERS}
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by m p griffiths, (4520 days ago) @ slowhands
Looking at Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD pre 1800 - there are only two male HARE marriages listed
James HARE of Hardwick, married Hannah HALE at Fretherne - 12 June 1724 (where Jonathan HARE is from)
Thomas HARE married Martha WOOD at Slimbridge - 20 August 1764
Can't see any female HARE marriages or
the surname/variants HUNMANDE
Fod Records
15 May 1720
Jonathon HARE - residence: Hrdwick
married
Alicia HUNMANDE
residence: de eaden (?Upleadon)
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Ancestry - two baptism at Hardwick
Ann HARE - 19 April 1747 - James & Mrey
Richard - 25 September 1748 - James & Marey
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Kings Stanley Marriages (on the net)
James HARE of Hardwick married Mary WOOD - 31 October 1743
by jospp, (4520 days ago) @ m p griffiths
I just wonder if it maybe Alice HANMAN, common name in that area. Family Search has two Alice HANMANs, one baptised 14/2/1703 in Elmore (very close to Hardwicke) father John. And another baptised 10/3/1699 in Minsterworth (very close but across the river)(there was a ferry)parents Thomas & Elizabeth. Churcham close to Minsterworth too. You could follow those two up.
by m p griffiths, (4520 days ago) @ jospp
The Glos Marriage Index pre 1800 - only has a few marriage pre 1754 but here is these Groom marriages
Henry HANMAN married at Fretherne to Anna BALL from Wheatenhurst - 5 April 1687
Anselm HANMAN from Elmore - married at Berkeley - Elizabeth HOBBY - 20 December 1753
John HANMAN from Elmore - married at Berkeley - Mary KENN - 22 February 1753
William HANMAN - married at Glos St John the Baptist - Ann LEWIS - 23 September 1793
and Brides
Ann HANMAN married Stephen KING at Elmore - 9 December 1697
Elizabeth HANMAN married John TURNER at Elmore - 30 November 1721
Elizabeth HANMAN married by Lic at Glos. S. Michael, William STOCK - 12 Jan 1779
Hanah HANMAN married (John DAVIS from Arlingham) at Fretherne - 12 April 1701
Joan HANMAN married John WILKINS at Fretherne - 26 May 1684
Mary HANMAN married Thomas HARRIS at Moreton Valance - 2 November 1695
Mary HANMAN from Berkeley married Joseph PEARCE (wid) at Slimbridge - 27 November 1755
Mary HANMAN married William HARRIS from S. Owen at Glos. St Mary de Crypt - 14 April 1772
Sarah HANMAN married John WATHEN at Elmore - 16 February 1719
Anne HANMON married Thomas ALDRIDGE at Arlingham - 25 April 1751
Mary HANNIMAN? of Cold Sapperton - married John DYER of Cold Sapperton at Hampnett - 5 November 1751
by francesmillard, (4520 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Well, it looks as though Hanman is a real possibility. And possibly Churcham is de Eaden (the children were baptised in Churcham).
But I am not sure how to chase this further - I cannot find Alice's or Jonathan's baptism - or even burials. If they were married in St. Peter's 'by invitation' could they be buried there?. They were presumably born c 1700 at the latest, more likely 1690ish. This makes Henry Hanman and Anna Ball the only likely candidates for Alice's parents.
The Hares seem to have large gaps...
by m p griffiths, (4520 days ago) @ francesmillard
If you check the Gloucestershire Records Office - Will base - there are loads of HANMAN/HANDMAN - from Elsmore and other places etc around that time - this should help give some indication where they were all living - can see family names i.e. Anselm HANMAN 1691 Elmore
by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, (4520 days ago) @ francesmillard
Well, it looks as though Hanman is a real possibility. And possibly Churcham is de Eaden (the children were baptised in Churcham).
But I am not sure how to chase this further - I cannot find Alice's or Jonathan's baptism - or even burials. If they were married in St. Peter's 'by invitation' could they be buried there?. They were presumably born c 1700 at the latest, more likely 1690ish. This makes Henry Hanman and Anna Ball the only likely candidates for Alice's parents.
The Hares seem to have large gaps...
You are getting into "misty" times with the records/registers, one to consider
Year: 1705
Month: Dec
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: HANMAN
Child_Forenames: not stated
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Over
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[mas] Thache Vic[ar]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P83 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 89
Parish_Chapel: Churcham
Churcham / Minsterworth not too far apart
Year: 1700
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: HANMAN
Child_Forenames: Alice
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation: Farrier
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Old style date 1699/1700
Register_Reference: P218 IN 1/1
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Minsterworth
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by francesmillard, (4520 days ago) @ slowhands
Thanks, slowhands - it seems likely that Thomas and Elizabeth were the parents of my Alice and a brother or sister. If they were in Over in 1700 and then in Churcham in 1705, reading de Eade as Churcham for the marriage of Jonathan and Alice in 1720 becomes even more plausible.
by m p griffiths, (4520 days ago) @ francesmillard
The earliest so far
Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608
Anelme HANMAN - Sailor A20 (age 20) tallest stature, Sailor, Elmore
Some HANDMAN - various other places.
by francesmillard, (4520 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Many thanks - gives me something to go on.
by francesmillard, (4520 days ago) @ slowhands
Very pleased with new leads, I will keep delving. Thanks all
by grahamdavison, (4519 days ago) @ francesmillard
The term de eadem occurs regularly in the parish registers it means "of the same" and usually indicates that the bride is of the same parish as the groom.
by francesmillard, (4519 days ago) @ grahamdavison
yes, of course, de eadem becomes de eaden in the transcription. Thank you!