Many thanks mike, any luck tracing charles hutton b abt 1826 ( censuses say st weonards / llangarron/ and just herefordshire, he had a son edwin b1865, llangarron, edwin then married mary james in pontypool 1891, i am trying to search her family too, edwin and mary had a son samuel b1898 in whitchurch,f8 herefordshire, he was a prisoner of war in 1917 after the battle of messines, belguim.