Looking for location of land in Westbury Brook (Urgent)

by BelindaHill @, Tuesday, July 08, 2025, 09:53 (45 days ago)

Does anyone have access to tithe maps for plump hill who could help me find the exact location of the lands owned by my ancestor Benjamin Moore (1755-1845), who owned an orchard and a cider mill on land either side of the Westbury Brook. Found an article in Gloucester Journal dated 25/10/1845 where parts of the land were potentially being sold. One was lot 2 - rich pasture land or orchard under occupation of James Phelps on land called "Parker's Patch" (Ben's son Ben junior married and Elizabeth Phelps and had lived on land owned by his dad). Lot 2 was at the foot of Plump Hill nearly adjoining Abenhall parish containing 1 rood and 39 perches. Lot 3 was also Pasture land or orchard called "Moore's Patch" containing 1 rood 17 perches, also in the occupation of James Phelps.

Potentially lot 1 could also have been his land previously? It was also on the east side of Plump Hill, freehold property containing dwelling house, outbuildings and capital garden, 2 roods and 6 perches. But not sure on this.

Does anyone know where these "Patches" were? I already know about his life, children's lives, will and death. I would just love to know the exact place he lived previously. Thanks.

Looking for location of land near Westbury Brook / Abenhall

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, July 08, 2025, 11:20 (45 days ago) @ BelindaHill

Roods & perches. These are subdivisions of an acre. There are four roods in an acre, and in turn a rood contains 40 perches.
As a rood is a quarter of an acre, it contains 1.012 square metres – about the size of two tennis courts.
Each of the 40 perches in a rood thus consists of just over 25 square metres – the size of one of the net-side playing areas of the tennis court.

The description fits the land either side of the roman road from Shapridge up to Mitcheldean (School) with Westbury Brook running parallel

There was a cider Mill associated with Abenhall House


From the Gloucester Journal Saturday 25th May 1867,

TO SELL BY AUCTION

Lot 2- A valuable freehold dwelling house, called Abinghall House, situate in the Parish of Abinghall, immediately contiguous to the town of Mitcheldean adjoining the turnpike road leading to Abinghall, containg entrance hall, dining, drawing and breakfast rooms, 2 pantries, kitch., laundry, 6 bedrooms, dressing and store rooms, underground cellar, yard, court, washhouse, pleasure and large, productive
kitch. garden, together with a three-stall stable, Mill-house, Cider-mill and coachhouse, with loft above and valuable PASTURE ORCHARD adjoining: the whole containing 2a 0r 26p or thereabouts now in the occupation of John ROBINSON, Esq.

Lot 2 may be viewed by permission of the tenant.


does Horsepool bottom feature in any of your research ?

https://maps.bristol.gov.uk/kyp/?edition=glos if you pan left towards Plump hill you will find Edgehills and the various pathches ( numbered) but not named


Reference: IR 30/13/1
Description:
Tithe map of Abinghall [Abenhall] (parish), Gloucestershire. Shows buildings (named), boundary trees, footpath and/or bridleway, waterbodies. Scale: 1 inch to 3 chains

Note: [Grid references: OSGB36: SO 672 173; WGS84: 51.85288, -2.47627]. WGS84 interpolated from OSGB36.
Date: [1839]
Related material:
Tithe file: IR 18/2605

Separated material:
Tithe apportionment: IR 29/13/1

Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Language: English
Map scale: 1:2376
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
Publication note:
Roger J P Kain and Richard R Oliver, The Tithe Maps of England and Wales (Cambridge, 1995).

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Looking for location of land near Westbury Brook / Abenhall

by BelindaHill @, Wednesday, July 09, 2025, 03:27 (44 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you so much for this. No, Horsepool bottom isnt mentioned in his will. Benjamin Moore owned land either side of the Westbury Brook according to his will. On his death, his four children and grandson Benjamin junior lived on land owned by him. All in Westbury Brook/Plump Hill. Indeed, in the 1841 census, it simply lists them as living in edge Hills/Plump Hill/Westbury Brook but doesn't shed light on where in these places. The enumarators exact route is a bit hard to follow in 1841, as he seems to jump around a bit. In this census Benjamin (85yrs of independent means) lived with his son John, a quarryman, and his family at Edge Hills.

He built the cider Mill, press and bakehouse later adjoining land owned by him which he gave the running and upkeep of to his four children after his death. I was hoping to find where "Moore's Patch" actually was, but that may be impossible. I assumed being a cider mill (perhaps a smaller one) may have needed running water in the brook to work, so it depends on how well and how far the water flowed in the brook up to Plump Hills back then. He had built the mill later in his life, because when he married in 1788 he was listed as a cordwainer and may have inherited the money earlier from his Bright inlaws as explained in other earlier posts.

But my concern at the minute is where exactly the land was. Which patches were his for sure.

Perhaps someone has a list of who owned the patches on the tithe maps back then. Its a long shot. I am limited to online searches as I live in Australia and so far have found nothing for that area.

Does anyone know anything of the history of "Green Farm" on the tithe map, as this runs near the Westbury Brook leading into the right area. Could it have been owned by Benjamin back then?

Thanks so much.
Belinda.

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