Richard Fryer of Overton, Arlingham 1620-1669 married Joane King 1631-1699 at Arlingham on 21.7.1658

My questions are:

Where was Joane born?

According to other sources Richards father was John Fryer 1606-1687 who married Joane Harrold. I can't find this Joan and I can't make the certain link between Richard and John.

The Fryer family tree I have been following then goes back for a further three generations. I was hoping to establish the first link before pursuing these.

I would welcome suggestions and help

Thank you

Have you used the Marriage Bonds/Licences etc transcribed on this website to try and form family group (using the SOUNDEX)

Marriage by Licence at Arlinghame (eith a e)

7 April 1638

Joseph CASWELL, aged 24, Bachelor, Yeoman of Arlinghame

Joane FRIER - aged 28, Spinster, residence: Arlinghame

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Coaley.net

Lists all the Men & Armour for Gloucestershire in 1608.

Men in Armour for Gloucestershire in 1608

Ten FRYAR/FRYER men are listed living in Arlingham

with various ages/statue etc.

Thank you but I am looking for Joan King who married John Fryer in 1658. I have seen all the Fryers from Arlingham, and elsewhere, on the FoD site and more elsewhere.

Many of the earlier records from Arlingham are unavailable here.

There are a number of KING Will's (Arlingham) on Ancestry

KING

William 1662
John 1683
Samuel 1624
Sarah 1696
Daniel 1682

Sibylla 1712
Margaret 1697
Daniel 1682

etc etc

If you search the National Archives for KING of Arlingham - there are a number of hits where it mentions

the Lands of King alias Blakeney - (Arlingham Papers)

Thanks I will have a look at those.

There appears to be a number of BLACKNEY and variations of for Arlingham on the Forest of Dean records.

Amongst the other headings on National Archives (date unknown)

Settlement of (1) Walter BLAKNEY alias KING of Arlingham (Smith)
(2) Robert FRYER of Slow, Arlingham.

Gloucestershire Parish Deeds Part 3.
Parish Deeds. Arlingham
Settlement (1) Walter BLAKNEY alias KING of Arlingham, smith
(2) Robert FRYER of Slowe, Arlingham yeoman and
Thomas BLAKNEY alias KING of Arlingham (son of Samuel BLAKNEY, deceased). Richard

The alias looks interesting

The Fryers I am looking for are from Overton and in cloth trade. I am now looking at the will John Friar weaver of Overton 1614.

I have also seen 16th century Haberdashers apprentice document in London for one of this family.

If you would like to see the family I am following check out the top of the Humphries and Knight Family tree on Ancestry which links in to my Watkins ancestors. I'm happy its correct to the Richard Friar Joan King marriage but I would like some good evidence for the next generation back.

On the Forest of Dean records

6 May 1588

Richard FRYER
of Slow

married: Jone FRYER (so Jone was a Widow)

Memoranda: Jone FRYER sometimes wife of WALTER FRYER

(previous reply I sent, mentions Walter BLAKNEY alias KING)

There is a Walter BLAKNAY - christened at Arlingham .... 5 October 1595

father Richard

Seems to be family names.

Men in Armour for Gloucestershire, Arlingham

Thomas BLACKNEY alias KINGE - Smith, A 60 (age around 60) lower stature

and

Richard WINTELL, subsidy man and John KINGE, subsidy man have between them one musket furnished.

Checked on Gloucestershire records

1580

Kynge (alias) Walter

Arlingham

Ancestry lists him as Walter Blackines (Walter Kynge)

There is a baptism of a

Jooanne KYNGE - 28 February 1546 at Arlingham and a William KYNGE - 10 March 1548

Name: Richard Fryer
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 21 Jul 1658
Marriage Place: Arlingham,Gloucester,England
Spouse: Joane King
FHL Film Number: 856934

There is another family Fryers at Slow (now Slowwe I think) which was the principal farm of the Berkley Estate leased then sold to a family called Hodges.

Text on memorial reads:

Here lyeth
the body of JOAN, ye wife
of RICHARD FRYER, late of
Overton, Senr., who departed
this life the 3rd day of Janury.
ano. dm. 1699, aetat. 69

I've called up the entry on Ancestry - and the date is 1658 -

So.... Joan KING was born c 1630, so would have been aged 28 - quite old to marry !!!

Reading this thread it became apparent that some entries in the Arlingham database were missing. An investigation has now taken place and the error corrected. We extend our apologies for the inconvenience caused.

Admin

Thanks Admin

For anyone who has spent time transcribing these old records, they deserve a medal.

Ancestry has many mistranscribed records. The registers can be damaged (eaten away) and the writing difficult to read (old English etc).

The ability to search for witnesses is a bonus, wish Ancestry had the same facility and the same goes for the Bonds/Licence records.

Very grateful to everyone involved.

Not surely my earlier thanks got through but I can only agree that this is an amazing resource and huge thanks go to the transcribers and the organisers

The reason I am still continuing with transcribing is because the Ancestry transcriptions are so poor, especially pre 1700.

How interesting! I can't find your tree, sadly. I've got WATKINS and several other ancestors from Arlingham. Our Fryer folk seem to be from Newnham. Can you let me know your username of Ancestry by private message if you like, so I can track down your tree that way, please? Have you done a DNA test? We probably won't find a DNA connection that far back but possible could pick up a DNA connection more recently. :)

There was a Joane King, daughter of John, baptised at Ledbury, Herefordshire in 1636. In 1622 there was a burial of Richard Fryer, son of Richard, at Ledbury. Both of these are on the FoD Records.

There is great confusion on Ancestry concerning Richard Fryer (1620 - ), or was he born in 1626?

There was a baptism of Richard Fryer at Westbury on Severn, with father John, in 1626.

Many of the trees have him married to Joane Jaques (in London in 1744) and quite a few have him married to both Joane King and Joane Jaques - unlikely as Joan Jaques was still alive.

It seems entirely possible that the Richard Fryer who married in 1658 was born at Frampton on Severn in 1637. He was the son of Walter Fryer (1597 or 1601 - ) of Arlingham.

There is little certainty about any of this.

Further to my previous thoughts, there is an interesting baptism of John Fryer (1598 -), where only his mother's name is given as Anne (her maiden name appears to be Hiles). Perhaps the father died before John was born? John does not appear to be listed as a base child.

In the lack of further evidence, it would appear that this John married Agnes Butt at Arlingham on 23 Sep 1617. A daughter, Anne, was baptised at Arlingham in 1618.

The family then crossed the River Severn, as three sons were baptised at Westbury on Severn and the residence is given as Rodley, which is on the opposite bank to Arlingham. Apparently there is an Arlington Passage, which allowed people to cross between Arlingham and Newnham at low tide, which would have been in use in the early 1600s.

The three sons of John and Agnes were: John (1620 - ), Thomas (1623 - ) and Richard (1626 - ).

The latter, Richard Fryer (1626 - ), is my 8th gt-grandfather, whom I was trying to identify.