Ephraim BAGLIN misheard as Abraham ??a (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, November 23, 2014, 20:25 (3451 days ago) @ Jefff

I'm beginning to wonder if Ephraim was actually found within the original Census posting by Slowhands as per Bertha's linked thread above ?.
I deliberately didn't look too much earlier as wanted to take a "fresh look".

As transcribed;

1851 Joyford
Daniel Baglin abt 1777 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Baglin abt 1781 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Ephraim Baglin abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire
William Herbert abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor West Dean Gloucestershire

1841 Berry Hill
Daniel Ragland abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Ragland abt 1778 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Abraham Ragland abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Ragland abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
John Ragland abt 1825 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
William Ragland abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

see prior thread http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=4084

Altho' the Census official has written-down the better-known name "Abraham" on the 1841 form, I wonder if he misheard the boy's "grandparents" say "Ephraim".

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Possible marriage of Daniel & Mary,
Record_ID: 62126
Entry_Number: 123
Year: 1802
Month: Aug
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: BAGLIN
Grooms_Forenames: Daniel
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: DOBBS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of James Webb
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thos Brown Simpson curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: B245
Soundex_Bride: D120

Also within this site's PRs are a few more Daniel Baglins, including a later son of Ephraim.
There are 13 births to Daniel/Mary Baglins between 1803 and 1840, all within the right general area but unsure if to the same parents. One of these is a Thomas, as per my thoughts earlier ref Ephraim's quoted father.
(Think it's safe to assume Baglan = Bagland = Baglin, probably pronounced "Baglun"?)

Record_ID: 399172
Entry_Number:
Year: 1811
Month: Aug
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: BAGLAND
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Daniel
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor
Soundex: B245

I cannot find Thomas b1811 in the 1841 Census, but could this be him in 1851, in "right" area at Joyford Hill.

Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place.
Thomas Baglin Head 33 1818 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Sophia Baglin Wife 31 1820 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
John Baglin Son 16 1835 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Baglin Daughter 15 1836 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Maria Baglin Daughter 12 1839 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Emma Baglin Daughter 9 1842 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Fanny Baglin Daughter 11 Mo 1850 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Ancestry does show a similarly aged Thomas/Sophia Baglin family in the 1851 Census, across the Severn nr Dursley (so not far from Nibley), but they are also there in the 1841 so a different household than the FoD one.

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Searching for Thomas'parents Daniel & Mary;

1851 Census, for ????House, Whitchurch, Monmouth District
Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
Daniel Baglin Head 40 1811 Male English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Maria Baglin Wife 36 1815 Female Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
Oliver Baglin Son 11 1840 Male English Barknor, Gloucestershire, England
Casandra Baglin Daughter 6 1845 Female Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England
(NB lots of unhelpful transcription errors here!)
[see below re Oliver]

The 1851 and later censuses show wife Mary as born Abergavenny, Wales.
Is this her in the 1841, at Talybont, Penkelly ?

Mary Daire 15 1826 Female Breconshire Wales
Martha Prichard 75 1766 Female
Mary Baglin 25 1816 Female Breconshire Wales

Penkelly is 5miles southeast of Brecon.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llanfeugan/Gaz1868.html

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I cannot definitely find Daniel Baglin b1811 but this caught my eye?;

1841 Census, boarding house? in Llanelli, Breconshire, with several other miners, no other Baglins, shame age is wrong !;
Daniel Baglin 16 1825 Male Miner NOT born in County.

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