Herbert Barter, Cinderford Fish merchant, 1930s ? (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, January 01, 2019, 21:44 (1944 days ago) @ Jefff

While browsing another site I found this photo of JW Barter & Son's fish shop in Cinderford, and recalled this old thread. The shop has a telephone so it's presumably taken between the Wars if not later ?. The same photo appears in Humphrey Phelps' book "The Forest In Old Photos", which states a Herbert Barter is the man in the doorway. I presume he's related to one of "the Sons", I cannot find him in the PRs.

http://way-mark.co.uk/foresthaven/livnhist/photo034.htm#

However FreeBMD has;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Mar 1881
BARTER Herbert Bodinham Monmouth 11a 37

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1904
Barter Herbert Bodinham Westbury S. 6a 606
Lee James Westbury S. 6a 606
Ranford Florence Gertrude E Westbury S. 6a 606
Thomas Flora Millicent G Westbury S. 6a 606

GlosBMD confirms;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BARTER Herbert Bodinham THOMAS Flora Millicent Grace Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1904 13 68

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1952
BARTER Herbert B 71 F.of Dean 7b 438

Struggling to find PRs etc for wife Flora, but did find;

Record_ID: 91047
Entry_Number: 484
Year: 1925
Month: Feb
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: BARTER
Child_Forenames: Marjoire Flora
Fathers_Forenames: Herbert
Mothers_Forenames: Flora
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: High St[reet]
Occupation: Salesman
Officiating_Minister: H M Biddell Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: B636

Record_ID: 91048
Entry_Number: 485
Year: 1925
Month: Feb
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: BARTER
Child_Forenames: Ruby Muriel
Fathers_Forenames: Herbert
Mothers_Forenames: Flora
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: High St[reet]
Occupation: Salesman
Officiating_Minister: H M Biddell Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: B636

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FamilySearch nicely places Herbert in Cinderford;

1901 Belle Vue Road, Woodside, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Amos Morgan Head M 54 Mason At Colliery. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Emma Morgan Wife F 52 Parkend, Gloucestershire
Arthur W Morgan Son M 21 Mason At Colliery. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morgan Daughter F 19 Apprentice At Dressmaker. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Nie Morgan Daughter F 16 Domestic Servant. Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Herbert Barter Boarder M 20 Fisher Merchant. Monmouth

1911 East Dean, Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Hubert Barter Head M 30 FISH MERCHANT. Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Flora Barter Wife F 28 Cinderford, Gloucestershire
Marjorie Barter Daughter F 3 Cinderford, Gloucestershire

And I've eventually found him in Monmouth, it appears that FamilySearch has "separated" him from his family, who appear to be the same as previously posted for head of household, and Herbert's father, Joseph W Barter, the address is the same.
So Herbert is younger brother to Edgar, who started this thread;

Name Herbert B Barter
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Registration District Monmouth
Residence Note Monnow St
Gender Male
Age 0
Marital Status Single
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1881
Birthplace Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Page Number 30
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5228/56
Affiliate Record Type Household[/color]

Still struggling to find him in 1891 tho', or his family.

???

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Meanwhile, who's this, presumably a relation ??.

1891 Brookend Street, Ross, Herefordshire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Joseph Barter Head M 39 Fish Merchant. Gloucestershire, England
Sarah E Barter Wife F 40 Herefordshire, England
Emily R Barter Daughter F 16 Shop Assistant. Gloucestershire, England
Anne E Barter Daughter F 15 Shop Assistant. Gloucestershire, England
Henry W Barter Son M 14 Scholar. Herefordshire, England
Lillie A Barter Daughter F 12 Herefordshire, England
Eleanor M Barter Daughter F 10 Herefordshire, England
Florence K Barter Daughter F 8 Herefordshire, England
Albert L Barter Son M 4 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
Mabel G Barter Daughter F 2 Herefordshire, England
Edith Link Servant F 16 Herefordshire, England

1901 Gloster Road, Ross Urban, Herefordshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William J Barter Head M 49 FISH & ICE MERCHANT, Gloucestershire
Sarah E Barter Wife F 50 Hentland, Herefordshire
Emily R Barter Daughter F 26 CLERK. Coleford, Gloucestershire
E A Barter Daughter F 25 SHOPKEEPER. Coleford, Gloucestershire
Lily A Barter Daughter F 22 ART NEEDLE WORKER. Ross, Herefordshire
Eleanor M Barter Daughter F 20 MOTHERS HELP. Ross, Herefordshire
Kate F Barter Daughter F 18 PUPIL TEACHER. Ross, Herefordshire
Gladys M Barter Daughter F 12 Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Lingings Servant F 18 Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1911 Ross Urban, Ross, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
W J Barter Head M 59 FISH MERCHANT. Gloucestershire
S E Barter Wife F 60 Whites Hill, Herefordshire
G Barter Daughter F 22 NURSE HOSPITAL. Monmouth Land, Kent
E Williams Help F 45 DOMESTIC. Llanyarron, Herefordshire

With help of FreeBMD, this appears to be William's birth record in GlosBMD, so also from Stroud as was Joseph William Barter discussed earlier;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BARTER William Joseph BROWNING 1852 Stroud Stroud, Stroud 8 372

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