Samuel Madley b Aberscyon ?? (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, January 28, 2012, 00:41 (4763 days ago) @ Jefff

From earlier full transcript of 1901 Census, several of household were born "Aberscyon". This could be a poor English attempt at Abercynon which is in the Rhonda? Valley midway between Pontypridd (my place of "learning" in the 80s) and Merthyr.

Studying the three Welshborn Samuel Madleys on Latterday Saints for 1861 & 1881 Census, all in the Pontypool corner of Monmouthshire, quite possibly all related.

Oldest is:

England and Wales Census, 1891 for Samuel Madley
Name: Samuel Madley
Event: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Varteg, Monmouthshire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Pontypool
Sub-district: Pontypool
Ecclesiastical Parish: Abersychan
Civil Parish: Trevethin With Pontypool
County: Monmouthshire

SO born abt 1858 so abt Annie's age.
Varteg is a few miles north of ABERSYCHAN ! -> aka ABERSCYAN !!

Here he is in 1901 Census:

England and Wales Census, 1901 for Samuel Madley
Name: Samuel Madley
Event: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender:
Age: 41
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Panteg, Monmouthshire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Chepstow
Sub-district: Chepstow
Ecclesiastical Parish: Newchurch With Devanden
Civil Parish: Newchurch East
County: Monmouthshire

So like Annie, Samuel is in CHEPSTOW AREA albeit with his mother at 1901 Census. Newchurch is a small village up valley from Chepstow and more Magor area where Sam Jr was born.

Still no clue from this if Sam & Annie are actually linked yet/still ?

Next is;

England and Wales Census, 1911 for Samuel Madley
Name: Samuel Madley
Event: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Birthplace: Pontypool, Monmouthshire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-district: Coleford
Parish: West Dean
County: Monmouthshire

Which I think suggests same Household including Annie and Samuel Jr posted earlier;

1911 Wales, Monmouthshire, West Dean Coleford
living in 4 rooms, Berry Hill, Coleford

MADLEY
Samuel - 52 General Labourer, born Mon. Pontypool
Annie - 56 - married 25 years, 5 children born alive, 5 living, born Glos. West Dean
Samuel - 20 - Coal Miner Hewer, born Mon. Aberchan
etc etc

(note both Sam's birthplaces tie in. It is highly likely the men are colliery workers considering their places of birth/residence thro the Census').

BUT STILL NO MARRIAGE RECORD !?

I have searched all thro Latterday Saints site without luck for a marriage 1888 - 1901. Nothing even similar.

As per OP, Annie dies a Madley, this is her only possible burial on FoD site even ignoring quoted age:

Record_ID: 263679
Entry_Number:
Year: 1929
Month: Aug
Day: 21
Surname: MADLEY
Forenames: Ann
Residence: Five Acres
Age_at_death: 71
Officiating_Minister: A Hoyle vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/16
Page_No: 45
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: M340

Yet wrt age, if 71 in 1929 she's born abt 1858 which is very close, and correct area.

Only Sam Madley Burial is:
Record_ID: 4400
Entry_Number: 643
Year: 1912
Month: Mar
Day: 3
Surname: MADLEY
Forenames: Samuel
Residence: Berry Hill
Age_at_death: 50
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/15
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: M340

Again right area, same Chapel; do Register References infer adjacent plots ?.
This Samuel was born abt 1862, again this ties in nicely.

SO.... sorry despite my best efforts cannot find a Marriage Record.
I suspect this would be a Registry Office marriage so outside the Parish Registers? etc.
Searching the Glos Non Conformist Records I can only find a record for Leonard Medley (as seen in Annie's 1901 Census household earlier):

1936 Record of Baptism(no specific date!?) of Lloyd Leonard Madley
Father Leonard Madley,miner. Mother Rose Hannah nee LLOYD.
Zion Chapel, Berry Hill, West Dean.

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx
1936

Their Marriage of this site:

Record_ID: 1014732
Entry_Number: 26
Year: 1935
Month: Jun
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: MADLEY
Grooms_Forenames: Leonard
Grooms_Age: 40
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Madley
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: LLOYD
Brides_Forenames: Rose Hannah
Brides_Age: 40
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Lloyd
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Certificate
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: M.G. Short
Witness_2: I.D. Constable
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Frank E. Yeomans
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Bride's father is deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6529 1/1
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Berry Hill Methodist
Soundex_Groom: M340
Soundex_Bride: L300